Can you be saved if you don't believe in the diety of Christ?

[Titus]

You're going off the beam, there. You definitely want to do the Holy Spirit's work for Him. I don't think it's going to get you very far.

:)

Then why are you on here teaching?
You are telling me it is for the Holy Spirit to work directly on every individual.
By you teaching others. You are guilty of the very same thing you accuse me.

What is your belief of Jesus?
Is He God?
Or is He not God?

If you believe He is not God,
Do you not share with others that Jesus is God?
If you believe He is not God.
Do you not share with others He is not God?

You have strange ideas on how you interpret scriptures

 

[Lambano]

If this question is going to be on the Entrance Exam, I wanna know what other controversial theological questions are on the test.

I also want to make sure everyone on this thread understands at the heart-level the difference between TRUST in Christ and BELIEF in (a doctrine about) Christ.

 

[theefaith]

Since the divinity of Christ and the blessed trinity are Christian doctrine with apostolic authority of Christ are you saying you’re not a Christian?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

the blessed trinity are Christian doctrine with apostolic authority

None of the Nee Testament apostles taught the trinity doctrine.

It is a mystery that even the Apostle Paul acknowledged here:

“to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.” (Colossians 2:2-3)

Paul said “the mystery”, not “the trinity”.

 

[Taken]

Can you be saved if you don't believe in the diety of Christ?
OP ^

Intriguing question.
IN my opinion:
The answer is dependent upon on WHO “you” are.

God Himself Established DIVISIONS;
Light - Dark
Day - Night
Above - Below
Good - Evil
Knowledge - Ignorance
Understanding - Mystery
Grace - Sin
Reprieve - Punishment
Acceptance - Rejection
Permanent - Temporary
With - Without
In - Out
* Israel - Gentile
... First - Last
... Natural - Spiritual

To comprehend the Big Picture Of God “the Creator and Maker’s” Desire is a matter of;
who, what, when, why, how.

Gods Desire IS:
Who-All His Created man-kind Of things
What-WILL, By their OWN FREEWILL, Choose to Heart-fully LOVE and BELIEVE IN Him,
When-Before they Physically Die.
Why-So they can Forever Be With God.
How-By the Power of God.

Who - Lord God Almighty
What - Creator & Maker
When - First & Last
Why - His Desire
How - His Power
All according to His perfect Wisdom.

* WHO shall Forever BE With God?
He WHO heart-fully Believes IN God, at the Time OF his physical bodily Death.

* We have been IN the time line...of particular “these” Last days, for 2,000+ years.

Heb 1:
[1] God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
[2] Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Rom 11:
[25] For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Blindness “in part”. We have the history of Israel, “in part”; Jewish Disciples/
Apostles, Believing, Preaching, Teaching, Jesus the Christ Messiah...JEWS believing, JEWS rejecting...Apostles dying...Gentile’s Embracing Jesus as the Christ Messiah, the Son, God the Heavenly Father, Christ Jesus, God Himself.

And? Christ the Lord Jesus, a Gentile’s Lord God Almighty and Savior.
Matt 19:
[30] But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.

Since “these” last days began...
Who for 2,000+ years has been “in part” blinded? And Who has been becoming fulfilled?
“In part” Blinded- BY God? (Without consideration of a JEWS Will?) Jew’s
“In part” Fulfilled- BY God? (With express consideration of a Gentile’s will?) Gentile’s.

Shall God...forget about His Faithful ISRAEL, Before “The Last Days arrive”?
No.

Shall Christ the Lord Jesus Redeem from the Earth, Before “The last days” those Gentile’s (and few Jews), who have IN fullness become in Belief IN God and Christ Jesus? Yes.

* Last Days Rapture- catching UP - Christ Jesus Redeeming those IN Christ, He has Saved and Sanctified.

1 Thes 4:[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

During “the last days” (7 years of Tribulation that comes Down from Heaven) Upon all who “have Not” Accepted Jesus as the Christ Messiah...Physical Death Upon All Who during “the last days” “do Accept Jesus the Christ Messiah”, they become SAVED at Their physical death...and...
God Will bring WITH Him...
When? After Jesus Millennial Reign ... during Gods Promised First Resurrection.

John 6:
[33] For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
^ Accomplished- Given

John 6:
[51] I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
^ the caveat...IF a a man Takes and Eats...he shall live forever...he shall forever be WITH God.

Rom 1:
[18] For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

1 Thes 4:
[14] For if we (IN Christ) believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them (NOT Converted), also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
(After the 1,000 yr Reign.)

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[APAK]

The mystery is how and where (we know the why and when) our Father God placed his spirit, that is the only source of divine light (life) (that embeds his wisdom and knowledge) and dwells within this man who is his Messiah Yahshua or Jesus, as our Lord.

And then the similar mystery is how and where exactly our Father God placed his son's spirit within chosen gifted men, so that the Father, his Son and these people are all one in the same one Spirit - sharing the same Father's light in one Spirit.

It's beyond the comprehension of 3-dimensional and Time based science and other trinitarian- based religions. The pagan origin and the term called trinity, does not hold a candle to this glorious mystery of the Son and his spirit, of the one God, the Father, living in every true believer.

 

[Titus]

None of the Nee Testament apostles taught the trinity doctrine.

It is a mystery that even the Apostle Paul acknowledged here:

“to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.” (Colossians 2:2-3)

Paul said “the mystery”, not “the trinity”.

Colossians 2:2-3

What!? The apostles never taught the God-head?

Colossians 2:9-10
For in Him(Jesus) dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; and you are complete in Him(Jesus) who is the Head of all principality and power.

Paul taught it!

The context of Colossians 2 is Christ Jesus, He is who Paul refers to on verses 9-10.
Verse 6,
As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him.
-7 rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving.
-8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.
-9 For in Him dwells the fullness of the Gofdhead bodily.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Colossians 2:2-3

What!? The apostles never taught the God-head?

Colossians 2:9-10
For in Him(Jesus) dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; and you are complete in Him(Jesus) who is the Head of all principality and power.

Paul taught it!

The context of Colossians 2 is Christ Jesus, He is who Paul refers to on verses 9-10.
Verse 6,
As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him.
-7 rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving.
-8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.
-9 For in Him dwells the fullness of the Gofdhead bodily.

It’s a mystery to me how you extract a “trinity” doctrine from those passages.

Perhaps you are so vested in the “trinity” doctrine that you are projecting this thought into the scriptures.

 

[Titus]

It’s a mystery to me how you extract a “trinity” doctrine from those passages.

Perhaps you are so vested in the “trinity” doctrine that you a projecting this thought into the scriptures.

There are those who are blind.

The apostles never taught the God-head?

Colossians 2:9-10
For in Him(Jesus) dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; and you are complete in Him(Jesus) who is the Head of all principality and power.

Paul taught it!

The context of Colossians 2 is Christ Jesus, He is who Paul refers to on verses 9-10.
Verse 6,
As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him.
-7 rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving.
-8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.
-9 For in Him dwells the fullness of the Gofdhead bodily

Are you able to see? Godhead?

 

[Titus]

It’s a mystery to me how you extract a “trinity” doctrine from those passages.

Perhaps you are so vested in the “trinity” doctrine that you a projecting this thought into the scriptures.

It's as plain as day!
Matthew 28:19

 

[Michiah-Imla]

It's as plain as day!
Matthew 28:19

You are projecting the trinity onto these scriptures friend.

And it’s not “plain as day” as you say.

What is PLAIN as day as that there is no trinity explained in the Bible as men teach it today.

 

[theefaith]

None of the Nee Testament apostles taught the trinity doctrine.

It is a mystery that even the Apostle Paul acknowledged here:

“to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.” (Colossians 2:2-3)

Paul said “the mystery”, not “the trinity”.

they are Christian doctrine with the apostolic authority of Matt 16:18 & 18:18

to reject them is to reject Christ and salvation

 

[Michiah-Imla]

to reject [the trinity] is to reject Christ and salvation

Oh please.

That’s nonsense and totally unbiblical.

 

[friend of]

who’s the saved?

True Christians

 

[theefaith]

Oh please.

That’s nonsense and totally unbiblical.

the divinity of Christ and the trinity are Christian doctrines how can you be Christian without the Christian faith?

the unity of Christian’s is the same faith!

Is it ok to worship Christ if he is not God?

 

[MatthewG]

The mystery is that the Gospel of Christ was made for all people to receive salvation by which is the by the Power of God.

The mystery was not about the trinity.

In fact it is amazing how much time one can spend on this topic… if you go and read Revelation you will see how Jesus is the Lord God Almighty - the one who sits on the throne.

What does the Bible say about the matter if you really wanna know, read it.

People say if you don’t say Jesus is God your not a real Christian. When the Bible clearly tells you people will call Jesus Lord only by the Holy Spirit.

All I know that God was with Jesus because his second name was Immanuel and I believe God was with his Word- by the Holy Spirit of God. When Jesus had the victory and gave everything back to God, God became all in all: of Christ to me it means - the Lord God Almighty.


“And the last enemy to be destroyed is death.

For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.”

(Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.)

Then, when all things are under his authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:26-28‬ ‭NLT‬‬

Of course not many people believe this has been fulfilled yet.

In Christ,
Matthew Gallagher

 

[theefaith]

Where does the Bible say you are saved by believing the gospel?

Born again Jn 3:5 is baptismal regeneration

Faith alone apart from the sacraments
Questions

where does scripture says we have died with Christ by “faith alone”?

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

where does scripture say we are members of Christ and his church by “faith alone”?

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

where does scripture says we put on Christ by “faith alone”?

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Where does scripture say our sins are washed away by “faith alone”?

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

where does scripture say we are saved or justified by “faith alone”?

1 pet 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!

The only reference in scripture to “faith alone” is James 2:24 NOT BY “FAITH ALONE”?

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Eph 4:5 one baptism

Why don’t it say one act of “faith alone”???


Baptism!

God breathed life into Adam, gen 2:7 and we received this life from our fathers!

Christ breathed on the apostles our spiritual fathers, we receive the new covenant life of God’s grace from them thru faith & baptism! Jn 20:21-23 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

Born again! Born from above!

'The Father has set his seal' on Christ (John 6:27) and also seals us in him (cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:23, 4:30). Because this seal indicates the indelible effect of the anointing with the Holy Spirit in the sacrament of Baptism,

Baptism indeed is the seal of eternal life." 87 The faithful Christian who I has "kept the seal" until the end, remaining faithful to the demands of his Baptism, will be able to depart this life "marked with the sign of faith," 88 with his baptismal faith, in expectation of the blessed vision of God - the consummation of faith - and in the hope of resurrection.

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 sealed by God (ez 36:25-27) in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)

Sealed in the ark, sealed in the church the ark of salvation by God thru baptism!

 

[friend of]

Jesus states He is the Alpha and Omega in Revelation.

That proves He is eternal and uncreated.

 

[farouk]

Jesus states He is the Alpha and Omega in Revelation.

That proves He is eternal and uncreated.

@friend of A wonderful title of the Lord Jesus.

 

[theefaith]

True Christians

can you explain


Matt 24:13 endures to the end.

Mark 13:13
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:

1. Romans 11:22 – God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness

2. Colossians 1:21-23 – holy and blameless, if you continue in the faith"

3. The race of faith: the example of Paul

4. Hebrews 12:22-25: "we shall not escape if we turn away from Him"

5. Hebrews 4:1-3, 9-12: "strive to enter the rest of God"

6.Hebrews 6:4-9 – those who became partakers of the holy spirit and fell away

7. Hebrews 10:23-29, 35-39: "if we sin willfully", "if anyone draws back".

8. Matthew 24:13: He that endures to the end, the same shall be saved

9. Hebrews 3:4-6: Holding fast our confidence firm until the end

10. Matthew 24:13: "But the one who endures to the end will be saved"

11. 1 John 2:24-25 – "if what you heard from the beginning abides in you"

12. 2 John 8-9 : to "everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ

13. 2 Peter 1:5-11 : "Make every effort to supplement your faith"

14. Philippians 2:12-16: "work out your salvation with fear and trembling"

15. 1 Timothy 6:10-16: the love of money

16. Galatians 5:2-4 "Severed from Christ"

17. 2 Timothy 2:11-13: "if we deny him, he will also deny us"

18. James 5:19-20: the wandered brother

19. Some will abandon the faith

20. 1 Timothy 5:8: "he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever"

22. The real family of Jesus: "Those who hear the Word of God and do it"

23. 1 Corinthians 5:5: "so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord"

24. Peter 2: "It would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness"

25. Jude: "Turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness" - a much relevant warning

26. 1 Cor. 9:27 ....Lest I myself might become a castaway

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

So salvation by “faith alone” is completely false and impossible!