The book of Rev is showing Israel being hidden until the coming of Christ as depicted in Zech 14 etc. Mary is not saved prior to his second coming in the chapter of Rev.
Christians are not under the New Covenant
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To be specific, he was concieved by Mary via the Holy Ghost 2000 years ago via her egg cell being fertilized..
and became man for 33 yrs
Crucified died and rose again
then ascended to heaven ehich only God could do
yes but I was referring to His accession into heave 40 days later
Plenty of different ones claiming to be Protestant ?
No one is Sinless ? but we do have Saints in fact and what many try to do is lower all the Saints down to the same level as grubs in fact. that's what they love to do ?
Mary is Blessed ! and not everyone is Blessed in fact.
I know of RC people who I see as idolising Mary above Christ Jesus, well it sure looks that way. Plenty of RC people who are only religious morons at best, with no real regard for Christ Jesus truly at all.
Moriah's Song
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Although scripture does not specifically say that Mary was saved prior to her being blessed with being the avenue for the savior to be born, I think it is safe to assume that she was a faithful servant looking for the promised Messiah at some point in her life; otherwise she would not have been the vessel used by the Holy Spirit to bring the Savior into the world. That event was in God's plan from the Genesis 3:15 text.
Yes, Mary was blessed, but that doesn't make her the mother of God, who should be prayed to, etc. as the Roman Catholics do. Many other people are also blessed, as Jesus taught:
Mat 5:
(3) “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.
(4) Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.
(5) Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth.
(6) Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness, for they shall be filled.
(7) Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.
(8) Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.
(9) Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God.
(10) Blessed are those who have been persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.
(11) “Blessed are you when people reproach you, persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Mat 11:6 Blessed is he who finds no occasion for stumbling in me.”(4) Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.
(5) Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth.
(6) Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness, for they shall be filled.
(7) Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.
(8) Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.
(9) Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God.
(10) Blessed are those who have been persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.
(11) “Blessed are you when people reproach you, persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Mat 16:17 Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.
Mar 10:16 He [Jesus] took them [the young children] in his arms, and blessed them, laying his hands on them.
Luk 11:28 But he [Jesus] said, “On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God, and keep it.”
Luk 24:50 He [Jesus] led them out as far as Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them [his disciples].
Joh 20:29 Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen, and have believed.”
Gal 3:9 So then, those who are of faith are blessed with the faithful Abraham.
1Pe 4:14 If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed; because the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you. On their part he is blasphemed, but on your part he is glorified.
Rev1:3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and keep the things that are written in it, for the time is at hand.
etc..
I was speaking of the passage of the woman being chased by satan in Rev.
He was saying it was Mary.
I was saying it was Israel.
Moriah's Song
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Wrong!
Wrong!
Rev 12:17...Then the dragon(Satan) was angry with the woman(the church), and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and bear testimony to Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea.
The "woman" is the TRUE CHURCH! (NOT THE CATHOLIC or PROTESTANT church; it's the church of true believers)
Rev 12:17 goes back to Genesis 3:15. The woman (Eve) there represents the "body of Christ's church that has been growing on that "tree of Life" in the Garden; growing with those who are made up of both Jews and Gentiles. See Rev 21:9-14 where the Jews (the 12 tribes of Israel) and (the twelve apostles) are the New Jerusalem's "walls and gates" which make up the OT "church in the wilderness" and the NT church foundation of the apostles.
Too many people miss this amazing view of the entirety of the Bible and instead focus on the beginning and the end and therfore miss out on the major event in the middle....the birth, death and resurrection that the OT and the NT keeps us tied together; not two separate groups of people as in Ephesians 2.
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Wrong, the church as we know it is removed before the Great Tribulation and the promise to the fathers of Israel is under assault from satan.
The promise of the OT to the fathers is that their seed would inherit Canaan, not the church inherit it.
This is what satan hates...Christ ruling for 1000 years from Jerusalem via a promise kept by God.
Satan wants to make God a liar, causing the reign of Christ to also be a lie.
Now you know the real strategy of satan in the Great Tribulation.
Moriah's Song
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Your dispensational views do not agree with the text nor do most commentators agree with you either.
The "woman" has for centuries, before J.N. Darby in the early 1800's, been "the church."
I am explaining the Bible, not Darby.
You are not in Canaan, nor ever will inherit it.
It is exclusively for future national Israel.
God is not a liar to the fathers, nor does He honor your replacement theology.
6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Do you agree with Jesus, here?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Do you agree with Jesus, here?
Moriah's Song
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I do but you follow the words of J.N.Darby of the 1800's. I follow the words of Christ of 33 A.D.
Plug in the words "origin of dispensationaism" and let me know what you find. Then we might have something to talk about.....and I do not agree with replacement theology.
amigo de christo
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I have power to lay it down and i have power to Raise it up again . This JESUS said .
Yes indeed GOD did raise up CHRIST . But we both know that GOD is His word . Now put those hands up and let the LORD
be praised .
amigo de christo
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The simple truth is they are not all ISRAEL who are of israel . Those who believed not in Christ were cast out of that tree .
As the body is of Christ and as Christ is the TREE , and we the branches .
ALL who believe in CHRIST are in that Tree , of that BODY ,jew and gentile .
But all gentiles and all jews who deny HIM are not in that tree , and not of true israel either .
The church didnt replace Israel . The church , which is the body and the body is whose body , CHRIST BODY .
My friend the Church did not replace israel . THE CHURCH IS OF ISRAEL . With one HEAVENLY CITY known
as TRUE JERUSALEM . WHICH houses both believing jews and gentiles . The church did not replace .
GODS plan . IT IS GODS PLAN . That all who do believe are now in CHRIST , are paratkers of TRUE ISRAEL
And our home is THE CITY OF GOD . THE TRUE JERUSALEM , built not by the hands of men
but BY GOD , THE LAMB . WHERE within that heavenly city there is a true temple . THE TEMPLE OF GOD AND OF THE LAMB .
THIS was always the plan and the working of GOD . The prophets spoke of it . We can see it in amos .
Where even peter quoates of amos . SEEK not the natural city , nor claim that which is of the flesh .
For the flesh profits nothing . THE CHILDREN OF the HOLY GOD are those , jews and gentiles WHO BELIEVE IN CHRIST .
Paul knew this well . And paul was A JEW himself . FOR HE is not a jew which is on outwardly , said paul ,
HE is a jew who is on inwardly and circumcision is not of the flesh , but of the HEART , BY THE SPIRIT .
JESUS IS THE HEAD and the believers ,whether jew or gentile are the body . AND as he Said
I AM THE TREE , THE VINE and ye are the branches . ABRAHAM KNEW , so did the prophets .
AND ITS High time we stop trusting in the natural , and start proclaiminig
to all , jew or gentile that they MUST beleive in JESUS . AND FAST TOO as this world is running out of time .
John 10:18 (MKJV):
(18) No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down from Myself. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it again. I have received this commandment from My Father.
Jesus had the authority, and the command, from God to lay down his life as a sacrifice for mankind.
Romans 10:9 (WEB):
(9) that if you will confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
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