Why do Catholics adore, worship and deify Mary so much?
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Holy and pious are two different things. Holy means set apart for God and I am a part of that royal priesthood and holy nation mentioned by Peter as I have been called out of darkness and into his wonderful light. Have you?
1 Peter 2:9
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.
amigo de christo
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actually JESUS did not tell that to all desciples , HE told it to john and john took her into his own house .
But since we are on this note . All elderly women are to be treated as mothers and the younger as sisters with all purity .
Calling mary blessed , FOR SHE IS , is a whole lot different than Praying to her . Praying to her is blasphemous
Calling her blessed is good . Learn ye the difference and do so quickly .
We dont pray to the created , ONLY to the CREATOR in JESUS GLORIOUS NAME .
As i said the CC teaches serious doctrinal error .
amigo de christo
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So pray to HE who ordained it , not to the created , but to the creator . Hurry thee faith and cease from all prayers
to saints , to mary and to angels . Dont let Rome beguile you of your reward in a voluntary and humility of worshipping
angels and etc . As i said THE CC dont hold to the true traditions . ONLY some of them , but they have twisted much .
And its time to come ye out from amongst her . You will continue to be prayed for my friend . But HURRY and dont look back .
Taken
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Uh....no Jesus was not speaking to “ALL” disciples.
You have ALREADY BEEN CORRECTED by another poster for Changing Scripture to say, what it does NOT SAY.
John 19:
[27] Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.
Your gaslighting question is MOOT, based on your changing of Scripture.
Taken
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Matt 16:18 only applies to Peter
But Matt 19 says he is speaking to the disciple not not John
Moriah's Song
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I have never seen anyone as obsessed with Mary than you are. Being obsessed with anything is considered to be idol worship. It does not have to be just a carved image of Mary. It's attributing things to Mary that are not in the Bible that makes you beyond excessive adoration.
Bible Verses about Idolatry
Exodus 20:3...“You shall have no other gods before me."
Exodus 20:4...“You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or ...."
Psalm 135:15-17...The idols of the nations are silver and gold, the work of human hands. They have mouths, but do not speak; they have eyes, but do not see; they have ears, but do not hear, nor is there any breath in their mouths.
Habakkuk 2:18...“What profit is an idol when its maker has shaped it, a metal image, a teacher of lies? For its maker trusts in his own creation when he makes speechless idols!
Isaiah 37:19...And have cast their gods into the fire. For they were no gods, but the work of men's hands, wood and stone. Therefore they were destroyed.
Leviticus 26:1...“You shall not make idols for yourselves or erect an image or pillar, and you shall not set up a figured stone in your land to bow down to it, for I am the Lord your God.
Jonah 2:8...Those who pay regard to vain idols forsake their hope of steadfast love.
Exodus 20:4...“You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or ...."
Psalm 135:15-17...The idols of the nations are silver and gold, the work of human hands. They have mouths, but do not speak; they have eyes, but do not see; they have ears, but do not hear, nor is there any breath in their mouths.
Habakkuk 2:18...“What profit is an idol when its maker has shaped it, a metal image, a teacher of lies? For its maker trusts in his own creation when he makes speechless idols!
Isaiah 37:19...And have cast their gods into the fire. For they were no gods, but the work of men's hands, wood and stone. Therefore they were destroyed.
Leviticus 26:1...“You shall not make idols for yourselves or erect an image or pillar, and you shall not set up a figured stone in your land to bow down to it, for I am the Lord your God.
Jonah 2:8...Those who pay regard to vain idols forsake their hope of steadfast love.
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What Does the Bible Say About Idolatry?
According to Baker's Biblical Dictionary, the most prevalent form of idolatry in biblical times was the worship of images or idols that represented or were thought to embody various pagan deities.
In the Old Testament, from the beginning, the threat of idolatry was in the midst of Israel. The forefathers were idolaters and, while Abraham was called out of a polytheistic background ( Joshua24:2 ), some persons brought their gods with them ( Gen 35:2-4). Israel's sojourn in Egypt placed them under the influence of the Egyptian religion, but God's sovereignty was manifest by his judgment upon the gods of Egypt ( Exod 12:12 ; Num 33:4 ). Israel, however, quickly succumbed to idolatry by worshiping a golden calf at Mount Sinai ( Exod 32 ).
The first commandment is to have no gods before God ( Exod 20:3 ; Deut 5:7 ). In addition, the construction of any images ( Exod 20:23 ) or even the mention of the names of gods ( Exod 23:13 ) was forbidden. Invoking the name of a god was an acknowledgment of its existence and gave credence to its power. By swearing in the name of another god ( 1 Kings 19:2 ; 20:10 ), the people would be binding themselves to an allegiance other than God ( Joshua 23:7 ).
Since idolatry substituted another for God it violated the people's holiness and was parallel to adultery; hence the frequent use of negative sexual imagery for idolatry, especially by the prophets. Both intermarriage and formal treaties were prohibited because of necessary affiliation with pagan gods ( Exod 23:32-33 ), leading to eventual fellowship ( Exod 34:15 ) and worship of idols ( Num 25:2-3 ).
10 Common Idols in Our Lives and How to Resist Them
Taken
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Dancing all over the place in half constructed sentences is of no benefit to me.
If you are wondering WHO is Jesus’ earthly mother, brother, sister....Jesus Himself answered that question....it is one who does the will of His Father.
If some dead and buried woman is your spiritual mother....that’s you.
Calling on spirits of the dead, is calling on familiar spirits...and called an abomination according to God.
We all are accountable for what we do.
Christ and His church are one.
If you mean Church, then I agree.
There is only one Body of Christ...us...the true believers and disciples of Jesus.
You say Christ continues His work thru the church He founded, on Peter and the Apostles.
I can agree to that. Jesus gave Peter the Keys...the authority. As all the Apostles have authority and it's passed down through Apostolic succession.
Which was just fine until the church (institution) got embroiled with the state.
But, not to derail...here is my question:
What happened to persons that believed in God BEFORE there was a church?
Is the church necessary for salvation?
God has been saving persons a long time before there was even a bible that one could read and before it was disseminated throughout the whole world. How were those persons saved? CCC 27 to about 50 or Romans 1:19-20
Apostolic succession is not found in the Bible. You will not find any Scripture to support that idea.
Taken,
I'm not here to protect the CC, there are many on this site that can do this.
I just want to say that Exodus 20:4 and Leviticus 26:1 state that we are not to carve graven images.
First of all, I don't think this transfers well to commandment number 2....
Second, we need to know what the meaning of graven image is:
graven image
noun
Definition of graven image
: an object of worship carved usually from wood or stone : IDOL
It's an object of worship.
Catholics do not worship the statues in the church.
NOW...if you want to discuss praying to saints...that would be legitimate....
Saints are not worshipped but they are venerated...is this right?
I'd forget about the idol discussion and concentrate on the saint matter.
I don't think dead persons could hear us...but can we be sure??
What is Apostolic succession?
When the original Apostles died,,,was someone left in charge?
Was it someone the Apostles had taught?
What happened when THEY died?
There IS Apostolic succession...not everything is in the bible.
But if you really need some verse, I could think of John off-hand and Matthew.
John 15:26-27
John 16:1-4
John 15:15-17 this is addressed specifically to the Apostles
Matthew 28:19-20
Matthew 19:18-19
Matthew 10:1-15
As you wrote it, I agree.
But there is also a church that is made up of humans that may or may not be Christian.
That church is also here on earth, and that is the church humans have ruined.
I never said she was.
I just think we Protestants should venerate her more than we do.
The apostles ensured that there would be a plurality of faithful elders in each and every church (Titus 1:5-9 and other passages). And that they in turn would teach faithful men, who would then become elders to replace them. But all the NT churches were autonomous (not accountable directly to anyone but Christ, as seen in Revelation 1-3), and each church was under the oversight of only elders (also called pastors or bishops). As you will note in the NT, there was no single man appointed as "bishop" over the elders.
There was always a plurality of elders in each church, so that one man would not take pre-eminence. Unfortunately, this pattern was broken very shortly after the apostles passed on. Later the church of Rome falsely claimed that Peter (the apostle to the Jews) became the bishop of Rome, and therefore the Roman Catholic Church was to have "apostolic succession" through its bishops, with the pope as the successor to Peter. But there was no Scriptural basis for this, and the Eastern Orthodox churches refused to accept the pre-eminence of Rome.
"The Eastern Orthodox Church is opposed to the Roman Catholic doctrine of papal supremacy. While not denying that primacy does exist for the Bishop of Rome, Eastern Orthodox Christians argue that the tradition of Rome's primacy in the early Church was not equivalent to the current doctrine of supremacy."-- Wikipedia
Taken
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Personally, I believe bowing down, calling out a name is worshiping.
Personally, I believe bowing down before a statue is worshiping that statue.
Personally, I believe the Catholic Church has made Mary a sinless deity equal with the Lord God.
Personally, Catholics can deny they are worshiping Mary, however their words do not line up with their actions.
Saints in heaven and saints on earth, are fellow servants. Some are well known more than others, but still are fellow servants. Not worshiped or venerated.
Dead people hear? No
Glory to God,
Taken
mary is not divine
Not a god or goddess
Proving That Mary is not a goddess and this tittle does not apply to Mary most holy, ever virgin mother of God!
Lk 1:28 Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou amounts women.
How can a goddess be full of grace?
Hail Mary full of grace!
How can the Lord be with a goddess?
The lord is with thee!
How can a goddess be blessed!
Blessed art thou, and all generations shall call me blessed!
Lk 1: 43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
How can a goddess be the mother of God?
Lk 1: 45 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.
How could a goddess be faithful?
Lk 1: 46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
How could a goddess glorify God or have a savior?
Lk 1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
How could a goddess be humble?
Lk 1:49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.
How could a goddess be the immaculate conception and the have the Holy Spirit accomplish the Miraculous conception of Jesus?
Matt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
How could a goddess be a perpetual Virgin bringing forth the savior of the world?
Jn 19:27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.
How could a goddess be our spiritual mother?
Only a heretical fundamentalists brainwashing can say so!
A good tree!
Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
The fruit of the tree of Mary is our salvation! Lk 2:30 Jesus is our salvation!
Lk 1:30 Mary found our salvation!
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