It’s right there in you’re Protestant Bible!You might be interested that when you hover over the Bible verse in your post "full of grace" doesn't appear. ;^)
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It’s right there in you’re Protestant Bible!You might be interested that when you hover over the Bible verse in your post "full of grace" doesn't appear. ;^)
The woman referred to in Genesis 3:15 is Eve. It's not a symbolic woman, and it definitely is not referring to God's loyal angels! The next verse also refers to "the woman":
(16) To the woman he said, “I will greatly multiply your pain in childbirth. In pain you will bear children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.”
which is also clearly not referring to angels. Jesus was the offspring of a human woman with God performing the conception - no angels were involved. God prepared the human body for Jesus, Hebrews 10:5 (WEB):
(5) Therefore when he comes into the world, he says, “Sacrifice and offering you didn’t desire, but you prepared a body for me.
Revelation 1:6 (WEB):
(6) and he made us to be a Kingdom, priests to his God and Father; to him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.
This is not referring to the 144,000. The 144,000 are all Jews who are living on the earth during the Great Tribulation of God's wrath - Revelation 7:4 (WEB):
(4) I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred forty-four thousand, sealed out of every tribe of the children of Israel:
The whole of the Church have already been resurrected and are sitting on their thrones in heaven before these 144,000 are sealed. See this post in the discussion How Could Have Satan Sinned? for a more detailed explanation of that.
The "woman" at Genesis 3:15 could not be Eve (nor Mary), for this same "woman" is seen at Isaiah 54, 60, 62, and Revelation 12, and of which the apostle Paul wrote that this "woman" is "the Jerusalem above (that) is free, and she is our (spiritual) mother".(Gal 4:26)
At Isaiah 54, it says: "Shout joyfully, you barren woman who has not given birth ! Become cheerful and cry out for joy, you who never had birth pains, for the sons of the desolate one are more numerous than the (six or seven or eight) sons of the woman with a (physical) husband,” says Jehovah. “Make the place of your tent more spacious. Stretch out the tent cloths of your grand tabernacle. Do not hold back, lengthen your tent cords, and make your tent pins strong (because of adding 144,001 additional adopted sons, Rom 8:14-17)."(Isa 54:1, 2; Question: How could the "woman" be Eve, since this "woman" had not even given birth some 3,300 years after Eve's creation ?)
The apostle Paul quotes Isaiah 54:1 at Galatians 4:27 and then says: "Now you, brothers, are children of the promise the same as Isaac was (or from Abraham). But just as the one born through natural descent (or through Abraham's lineage, the fleshly Jews) began persecuting the one born through spirit (or "children" of the symbolic "woman", which made the fleshly Jews Jehovah's enemy, Isa 66:3-6) so also now. Nevertheless, what does the Scripture say ? "Drive out the servant girl (Hagar) and her son (Ishmael), for the son of the servant girl will by no means be an heir with the son of the free woman (pictured by Sarah, see Gal 4:22-26). So, brothers, we are (adopted) children, not of a servant girl, but of a free woman".(Gal 4:28-31)
At Isaiah 60, it says: "Arise, O woman, shed light, for your light has come. The glory of Jehovah shines on you. For look ! darkness will cover the earth and thick gloom the nations; But on you Jehovah will shine, and on you his glory will be seen. Nations will go to your light and kings to your shining splendor."(Isa 60:1-3; Question: How could Jehovah shed "light" on Eve, even in the beginning since she rebelled against his rightful rulership ? Gen 3:1-5)
This definitely shows that the "woman" is a spiritual "woman" that would adopt "children" and be the channel through which Jehovah sheds spiritual light on the nations, Bible truths for them to feed on, so that over time, the number of her "children" grows.
To confirm this, verses 4 and 9 says: "Raise your eyes and look all around you ! They have all been assembled; they are coming to you. From far away your sons keep coming, and your daughters being supported on the hip........For in me the islands will hope; The ships of Tarʹshish (or from far distances, for Tarshish is thought to be Spain that is a long distance from Israel, being at the end of the Mediterranean Sea in relation to Israel) are in the lead, to bring your sons from far away, along with their silver and their gold (or that which is precious in Jehovah's sight, their true worship of him), to the name of Jehovah your God and to the Holy One of Israel, for he will glorify you (as "sons" of the symbolic "woman")."
Isaiah 62:2-4 says: "The nations will see your righteousness, O woman, and all kings your glory. And you will be called by a new name, which Jehovah’s own mouth will designate. You will become a crown of beauty in the hand of Jehovah, a royal turban in the palm of your God. No more will you be called an abandoned woman (for "she" will adopt 144,001 sons, giving "birth" to a new nation, see Matt 21:42-44 that is God's heavenly Kingdom), and your land will no longer be called desolate. But you will be called My Delight Is in Her, and your land will be called the Married One. For Jehovah will take delight in you, and your land will be as one married."
So, the "woman" at Genesis 3:15 is not Eve nor Mary, but a symbolic "woman" that would be the channel for spiritual food in our time period, and that would comprise God's Kingdom of 144,001 members, for Revelation 12:1, 2 shows the "woman" as about to give birth and verse 5 says that "she gave birth to a (symbolic) son, a male, who is to shepherd all the nations with an iron rod."
Just as the "woman" at Revelation 12 is symbolic, so also is the "son", it being God's Kingdom, that was "set up" in 1914.(Dan 2:44, 45; see also Isa 66:7-10)
Isaiah 54 is obviously not referring to Eve! It is symbolically referring to Zion/Israel, to whom God says, verse 5, "For your Maker is your husband; Yahweh of Armies is his name. The Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer. He will be called the God of the whole earth". But even so, all Bible references to a woman that is not Eve does not mean that the woman referred to in Genesis 3:15 is also not Eve! Eve was the only woman that had ever existed when God spoke to the serpent in the garden of Eden at Genesis 3:15. Read it again, Genesis 3:12-16 (WEB):The "woman" at Genesis 3:15 could not be Eve (nor Mary), for this same "woman" is seen at Isaiah 54, 60, 62, and Revelation 12, and of which the apostle Paul wrote that this "woman" is "the Jerusalem above (that) is free, and she is our (spiritual) mother".(Gal 4:26)
At Isaiah 54, it says: "Shout joyfully, you barren woman who has not given birth ! ... (Isa 54:1, 2; Question: How could the "woman" be Eve, since this "woman" had not even given birth some 3,300 years after Eve's creation ?)
Paul mentions two women by name, Sarah and Hagar, and quoting Isaiah 54:1 as a reference to Sarah (who was barren until she gave birth to Isaac in her old age). Verse 22 says, "For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the servant, and one by the free woman". So it is talking about Abraham having a son via a slave woman and a free woman. Clearly this has absolutley nothing to do with Eve, and has no bearing on who the woman was (Eve) that is mentioned in Genesis 3:15!The apostle Paul quotes Isaiah 54:1 at Galatians 4:27 ...
Again God is symbolically referring to Zion/Israel. Verse 14 says, (WEB):At Isaiah 60, it says: "Arise, O woman, ...
Precisely, it's referring to the nation of Israel and not to an actual single woman. It has no bearing on Genesis 3:15.(Isa 60:1-3; Question: How could Jehovah shed "light" on Eve, even in the beginning since she rebelled against his rightful rulership ? Gen 3:1-5)
You seem to be quoting the NWT, but there is no reference to a woman in the translations I've looked at. Again it's symbolically referring to Jerusalem/Israel. Refer to the previous verse for context (NWT):Isaiah 62:2-4 says: "The nations will see your righteousness, O woman, and all kings your glory.
That's a totally illogical deduction!So, the "woman" at Genesis 3:15 is not Eve
Isaiah 54 is obviously not referring to Eve! It is symbolically referring to Zion/Israel, to whom God says, verse 5, "For your Maker is your husband; Yahweh of Armies is his name. The Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer. He will be called the God of the whole earth". But even so, all Bible references to a woman that is not Eve does not mean that the woman referred to in Genesis 3:15 is also not Eve! Eve was the only woman that had ever existed when God spoke to the serpent in the garden of Eden at Genesis 3:15. Read it again, Genesis 3:12-16 (WEB):
(12) The man said, “The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”
(13) Yahweh God said to the woman, “What have you done?” The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”
(14) Yahweh God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this, you are cursed above all livestock, and above every animal of the field. You shall go on your belly and you shall eat dust all the days of your life.
(15) I will put hostility between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring. He will bruise your head, and you will bruise his heel.”
(16) To the woman he said, “I will greatly multiply your pain in childbirth. In pain you will bear children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.”
"The woman" is clearly referring to Eve in those verses, just as it is clear that "the man" is referring to Adam. They were the only two humans that had existed up to that time. Next you'll be saying that the serpent that God was talking to wasn't the serpent that talked with the woman!The whole of chapter 3 speaks of "the woman", "the serpent" and "the man". It's not until after this that Adam gives the woman a name - Genesis 3:20 (WEB) - "The man called his wife Eve because she would be the mother of all the living".
Paul mentions two women by name, Sarah and Hagar, and quoting Isaiah 54:1 as a reference to Sarah (who was barren until she gave birth in her old age to Isaac). Verse 22 says, "For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the servant, and one by the free woman". So it is talking about Abraham having a son via a slave woman and a free woman. Clearly this has absolutley nothing to do with Eve, and has no bearing on who the woman was (Eve) that is mentioned in Genesis 3:15!
Again God is symbolically referring to Zion/Israel. Verse 14 says, (WEB):
(14) The sons of those who afflicted you will come bowing to you; and all those who despised you will bow themselves down at the soles of your feet. They will call you Yahweh’s City, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.
Precisely, it's referring to the nation of Israel and not to an actual single woman. It has no bearing on Genesis 3:15.
You seem to be quoting the NWT, but there is no reference to a woman in the translations I've looked at. Again it's symbolically referring to Jerusalem/Israel. Refer to the previous verse for context (NWT):
(1) For the sake of Zion I will not keep silent, and for the sake of Jerusalem I will not keep still until her righteousness shines like a bright light and her salvation burns like a torch.or WEB:
(2) The nations will see your righteousness, O woman, and all kings your glory.
(2) The nations will see your righteousness, and all kings your glory, ...
That's a totally illogical deduction!
Mary represents the Body of Christ, = us who are worthy of Christ Jesus.then explain how Israel with satan betrays Christ and crushes his proud head?
mary is the adversary of satan bringing our salvation
Rev 12 Mary is the adversary
Gen 3:15 enmity or total war
Mary is the mother of our savior who crushes his proud head
the humble Mary ever virgin mother of God
In what way was she first, and where in the Bible does it say that? She certainly wasn't the first saint in the history of mankind, e.g. Psalm 106:16 (WEB):Who is Mary ? ... So she is the First Saint !
That is a FALSE accusation against Protestant beliefs concerning Mary!!!Many Prots are of the stance that Mary was nothing, demanding she was just some moron like themselves picked out at random with no regards at all, why is that ? well it's because they are under the power of this world of delusions.
Israel and Satan do not crush Christ's head, and Christ is not full of pride - it was Satan' pride that led to him becoming God's adversary! You've got it backwards - I'll assume it was a careless mistake on your part.then explain how Israel with satan betrays Christ and crushes his proud head?
Mary does not bring us salvation. Jesus did that.mary is the adversary of satan bringing our salvation
As I've pointed out before, the woman in Revelation 12 is symbolic of Israel. If it was referring to Mary it would have mentioned her by name. After all, in verse 17 it says:Rev 12 Mary is the adversary
Who is "his" referring to? Does Mary crush our saviour's proud head? You're spreading confusion, like a wolf in sheep's clothing.Mary is the mother of our savior who crushes his proud head
Normal blood has a total of 46 chromosomes. When a child is conceived, 23 chromosomes come from the mother and 23 come from the father. One of these pairs determines the gender. For this pair, the mother always provides an “X” chromosome (so called because its shape somewhat resembles the letter X). If the father provides an X chromosome then the child will contain the chromosomes XX and will always be female. If the father provides a “Y” chromosome (shaped to some extent like the letter Y) the child will have a chromosome combination of XY and will be male. All eggs produced by the female will be identical, containing only the X chromosome. For her to produce a male offspring the addition of a Y chromosome is necessary.So, did the Holy Spirit cause Mary’s egg to begin the creative process? Her mitochondrial DNA would have been all that Jesus needed.
Mary represents the Body of Christ, = us who are worthy of Christ Jesus.
Without Mary there would be no Jesus.
Who is Mary ? full of what ? The Lord is with who ? and why is such so ? well because she is the one who the Angel asked and she said yes ! and that she was full of what ?
So she is the First Saint ! her purity was the reason why she said yes ! She was Blessed ! She had faith in the Angel.
Many Prots are of the stance that Mary was nothing, demanding she was just some moron like themselves picked out at random with no regards at all, why is that ? well it's because they are under the power of this world of delusions.
Now a person will not come to Christ Jesus truly, unless they are willing to bother and then have the fortitude to seek for a start and it's not until one is truly born again that you have faith in Jesus Christ that can move mountains, so that means 100% faith in him totally, One knows him and abides in him only, as your Lord and Saviour 100% no room for any doubt at all, not even a shadow.
Even Jacob came from the same with God and then became Israel ! that's what Israel Means truly, Servant of God= Saved. they are not born Israel, they make the grade of worthy to be such, just as the disciples were the only ones who were in fact truly worthy of Israel and no one can come to the Father but through his only begotten Son = Christianity.
There are no shadows in Christ Jesus at all, he is pure Light ! but carnal man can not handle that light ? because he is corrupted by this world ? so you need the Saviour of Souls to be your Lord, to abide in.
One is not saved by calling on the Lord ! when you do not know who you are truly calling on, now does one ? most are calling on the god of this world to help them and that is all that they are doing, they will claim such is a one off call and you are saved, but that is not true at all. the calling on the Lord comes from one calling on such everyday in fact, as you are the Body of who that is the Head of such ? see you need to be born again first to understand who it is you call on.
One could call on the works of Man, as most only do if that ! and yes Mans works can help you out, but they can not save your Soul at all.
If your Soul is not Saved then you are of this world and under deceptions and delusions, such a one can not fathom what is Gods work or Mans Works.
That is not true! I know because because I heard his voice. I won't go into the details here but I tell you the truth....God heard me and He showed me that it was truely Him by events that occurred after that that only He could have put into place because I did not put those things into place...He did! Therefore, I absolutely know I am saved NOW and will be with Him forever in Paradise.No one is saved until the end
Israel and Satan do not crush Christ's head, and Christ is not full of pride - it was Satan' pride that led to him becoming God's adversary! You've got it backwards - I'll assume it was a careless mistake on your part.
no it’s if it’s Israel how can that be?
Israel did not have enmity with satan(Gen 3:15) but was in cahoots crucifying Christ!
Israel does not crush satans proud head Mary does! Mary is the woman and adversary Gen 2:15 & rev 12
Mary does not bring us salvation. Jesus did that.
Jesus is our salvation Lk 2:30 and Mary brought him into this world, she is his mother, mother of our salvation
As I've pointed out before, the woman in Revelation 12 is symbolic of Israel. If it was referring to Mary it would have mentioned her by name. After all, in verse 17 it says:
(17) The dragon grew angry with the woman, and went away to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep God’s commandments and hold Jesus’ testimony.
Israel does not keep the commandments or have the testimony of Jesus rather they deny Christ and killed him!
spiritual children of Mary See Jn 19 behold Thy mother
and yet you say that Mary never had any children apart from Jesus.
not biological children only spiritual children
Who is "his" referring to? Does Mary crush our saviour's proud head? You're spreading confusion, like a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Satan’s proud head by her humility
Genesis 3:15 (WEB):
(15) I will put hostility between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring. He will bruise your head, and you will bruise his heel.”
The hostility is between Eve and the serpent (Satan), and between Eve's offspring and Satan's offspring (who is Satan's offspring?). It says that a single male descendant of Eve will bruise/crush/break the head of Satan. There is no need to bring Mary into it, anymore than all the other women who have had children after Eve, without which there would have been no Mary.
Even if sin was in the blood (the Bible says that "the life of the flesh is in the blood", Leviticus 17:11) it would not matter, beause the blood of the mother and the blood of the fetus do not come into contact or mix (and the mother and fetus can have different blood groups).One other thing...Mary did not have to be sinless to be able to give birth to a sinless Jesus. That is also a fact that contradicts any cultic beliefs that Mary had to be born without sin to carry a sinless Jesus because sin is not in our blood; sin dwells in the heart and mind. It is a part of our souls; not a part of our blood.