Is The Sheep/Goat Judgement Used, To Enter A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth?

[GEN2REV]

But they did not have them as an eternal possession so the promises are not fulfilled! YOu overlook many words to draw your general conclusions.

And those words are, specifically ... ??

Verses?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

And those words are, specifically ... ??

Verses?

Genesis 17:8
King James Version

8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

Genesis 48:4
And said unto me, Behold, I will make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, and I will make of thee a multitude of people; and will give this land to thy seed after thee for an everlasting possession.

Amos 9:15
King James Version

15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the Lord thy God.


Why Has Israel Never Possessed All of the Promised Land? - The Friends of Israel Gospel Ministry (foi.org)

 

[GEN2REV]

Genesis 17:8
King James Version

8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

Genesis 48:4
And said unto me, Behold, I will make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, and I will make of thee a multitude of people; and will give this land to thy seed after thee for an everlasting possession.

Amos 9:15
King James Version

15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the Lord thy God.


Why Has Israel Never Possessed All of the Promised Land? - The Friends of Israel Gospel Ministry (foi.org)

I see the point that you're trying to make.

The plain wording in the Joshua verses is convincing enough for me; especially when you consider all other scripture pertaining to the concept of God's Kingdom. If God will never have a kingdom upon the physical earth, based on many passages, there really is no grounds to try and make a case that He still owes anything to a physical race of people here.

Joshua states multiple times that God saw all that through? That's good enough for me.

It's logical to take all aspects into consideration. When that is considered, there just isn't a case for PreMill.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I see the point that you're trying to make.

The plain wording in the Joshua verses is convincing enough for me; especially when you consider all other scripture pertaining to the concept of God's Kingdom. If God will never have a kingdom upon the physical earth, based on many passages, there really is no grounds to try and make a case that He still owes anything to a physical race of people here.

Joshua states multiple times that God saw all that through? That's good enough for me.

It's logical to take all aspects into consideration. When that is considered, there just isn't a case for PreMill.

Well time will show you in error. Israel never lived and "owned the land from teh Euphrates to teh Nile and that is the Land God promised to Abraham.

 

[GEN2REV]

Well time will show you in error. Israel never lived and "owned the land from teh Euphrates to teh Nile and that is the Land God promised to Abraham.

That's just not accurate, Ron.

The Bible is the authority, not you and not any living human being alive to this very day can override what God has plainly put in His Word.

Let these verses settle the matter:

"And the Lord gave unto Israel ALL THE LAND WHICH HE SWARE TO GIVE UNTO THEIR FATHERS; AND THEY POSSESSED IT, AND DWELT THEREIN. There failed (NOTHING) of any good thing which the Lord had spoken unto the house of Israel; ALL CAME TO PASS."
Joshua 21:43, 45

"... Ye know in all your hearts and all your souls, that NOT ONE THING HATH FAILED OF ALL THE GOOD THINGS WHICH THE LORD YOUR GOD SPAKE CONCERNING YOU; ALL ARE COME TO PASS UNTO YOU, AND NOT ONE THING HATH FAILED THEREOF."
Joshua 23:14-15

If anybody on earth wants to claim that God did not make good on His land promises, that individual is fully contradicting what God has made plain.

Let him be anathema! ;)

 

[Timtofly]

If anybody on earth wants to claim that God did not make good on His land promises, that individual is fully contradicting what God has made plain.

It is not contradicting. Not any more than your contradiction against the complete prophecy of the OT. Those people wondered the desert that was already theirs, but they did not flourish out in the desert. They were provided for by God. They did get the rest of their inheritance, the rest of the land on the other side flowing with milk and honey. But that only got them so far. They utterly failed God within a couple hundred years.

So God told the latter prophets, He Himself would come and rule over them. The point that will see the entire land from the Euphrates to the Nile.

 

[GEN2REV]

It is not contradicting. Not any more than your contradiction against the complete prophecy of the OT. Those people wondered the desert that was already theirs, but they did not flourish out in the desert. They were provided for by God. They did get the rest of their inheritance, the rest of the land on the other side flowing with milk and honey. But that only got them so far. They utterly failed God within a couple hundred years.

So God told the latter prophets, He Himself would come and rule over them. The point that will see the entire land from the Euphrates to the Nile.

As the verses make plain, they knew in all their hearts and souls that it was a done deal.

That's all that matters.

That's all that will matter in the end when God doesn't set up a millennial reign upon the physical earth at Jesus' coming.

Did your god fail? Did he fail to set up a kingdom upon the earth at Jesus' first coming?

Did he fail to deliver his promises to Israel thousands of years ago?

My God doesn't fail. He's never failed and He never intended any of that. Everything that happened upon Jesus' first coming was part of God's Divine Plan. If He had intended to set up a kingdom here upon the physical earth, He would've done it then. He did not.

His kingdom is a heavenly, spiritual kingdom and it reigns as we speak. Jesus will turn all His power and authority over to the Father when He returns on the last day of the world. There will never be an earthly kingdom of God upon this earth. Never.
1 Corinthians 15:22-26

Done deal.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

That's just not accurate, Ron.

The Bible is the authority, not you and not any living human being alive to this very day can override what God has plainly put in His Word.

Let these verses settle the matter:

"And the Lord gave unto Israel ALL THE LAND WHICH HE SWARE TO GIVE UNTO THEIR FATHERS; AND THEY POSSESSED IT, AND DWELT THEREIN. There failed (NOTHING) of any good thing which the Lord had spoken unto the house of Israel; ALL CAME TO PASS."
Joshua 21:43, 45

"... Ye know in all your hearts and all your souls, that NOT ONE THING HATH FAILED OF ALL THE GOOD THINGS WHICH THE LORD YOUR GOD SPAKE CONCERNING YOU; ALL ARE COME TO PASS UNTO YOU, AND NOT ONE THING HATH FAILED THEREOF."
Joshua 23:14-15

If anybody on earth wants to claim that God did not make good on His land promises, that individual is fully contradicting what God has made plain.

Let him be anathema! ;)

Isarael never occupied from the Euphrates to the Nile! As was promised to Abrham and his seed forever! The land of Caanan which was promised to the fathers (not Father=Abraham) was occupied and thus fulfilled, but not all the promised land- show me in history where Israel was a nation from the Euphrates to the Nile.

 

[GEN2REV]

... show me in history where Israel was a nation from the Euphrates to the Nile.

No need.

I've shown you repeatedly in scripture where it was completed.

The Bible is the final word, my friend. It is the Authority, not man-written, and altered-at-will, history.

The onus is on you to prove God's Word wrong. Good luck.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No need.

I've shown you repeatedly in scripture where it was completed.

The Bible is the final word, my friend. It is the Authority, not man-written, and altered-at-will, history.

The onus is on you to prove God's Word wrong. Good luck.

I know Gods Word is right!

But the promise to Abrham for the land has not been fuflilled. Teh promise ot the fathers was. they had the land of Caanan, but they never occupied all of modern day Syria and half of modern day Iraq, and Israel also never occupied all the sinai and the part of Egypt to the Nile except temporarily in modern times.

It is not the Bible that is oncorrect- it is you runderstanding of teh Bible that is faulty.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No need.

I've shown you repeatedly in scripture where it was completed.

The Bible is the final word, my friend. It is the Authority, not man-written, and altered-at-will, history.

The onus is on you to prove God's Word wrong. Good luck.

This is the furthest the kingdom went. Notice Syria is untouched and most of modern JOrdan? Notice Philistia and the Sinai desert and Egypt are not part of the kingdom? Now this is the promise God made:

Genesis 15:18
King James Version

18 In the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:

Here is the middle east. Davids kingdom (the furthest conquest) did not come close to teh promise God made to Abraham!

You need better understanding.

 

[GEN2REV]

This is the furthest the kingdom went. Notice Syria is untouched and most of modern JOrdan? Notice Philistia and the Sinai desert and Egypt are not part of the kingdom? Now this is the promise God made:

Genesis 15:18
King James Version

18 In the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:

Here is the middle east. Davids kingdom (the furthest conquest) did not come close to teh promise God made to Abraham!

You need better understanding.

Even if what you're saying were true, it makes no difference whatsoever. Your own verse that you posted shows God stating plainly that He gave them all of that land.

What they did, or didn't do, with it is 100% their responsibility.

In God's eyes, the land belongs to them from that moment forth. If somebody else is living in a portion of it today, how, in your mistaken mind, is that God's problem that He now owes them 1,000 YEARS of extra time on the earth to utilize that small portion of land you claim they aren't using?

Your logic is more than faulty. It's absolutely ridiculous.

Show me a similar situation, in any type of business deal today, where something like you describe would hold up to even minor scrutiny.

The land belongs to them, per God Almighty, until the end of the world. The world doesn't get an extension of time simply because somebody other than modern day ethnic Israel isn't using a portion of the land they were granted by God thousands of years ago. It is plain silly.

 

[GEN2REV]

I know Gods Word is right!

But the promise to Abrham for the land has not been fuflilled. Teh promise ot the fathers was. they had the land of Caanan, but they never occupied all of modern day Syria and half of modern day Iraq, and Israel also never occupied all the sinai and the part of Egypt to the Nile except temporarily in modern times.

It is not the Bible that is oncorrect- it is you runderstanding of teh Bible that is faulty.

Did you know that 65% of those inhabiting Palestine (Israel) today are Atheists?

For some reason, the bar graph image won't post. Here's the link:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/04/14/map-these-are-the-worlds-least-religious-countries/

And what % of the land would you guess is in question there?

So a small portion of those who live there even believe in 'A' god at all, who knows how many embrace the God of the Bible. And a relatively small portion of the land is in question. Sounds like your case is growing stronger.

 

[Truth7t7]

Even if what you're saying were true, it makes no difference whatsoever. Your own verse that you posted shows God stating plainly that He gave them all of that land.

What they did, or didn't do, with it is 100% their responsibility.

In God's eyes, the land belongs to them from that moment forth. If somebody else is living in a portion of it today, how, in your mistaken mind, is that God's problem that He now owes them 1,000 YEARS of extra time on the earth to utilize that small portion of land you claim they aren't using?

Your logic is more than faulty. It's absolutely ridiculous.

Show me a similar situation, in any type of business deal today, where something like you describe would hold up to even minor scrutiny.

The land belongs to them, per God Almighty, until the end of the world. The world doesn't get an extension of time simply because somebody other than modern day ethnic Israel isn't using a portion of the land they were granted by God thousands of years ago. It is plain silly.

Gen I agree with your presentation 100%, you are up against dispensationalism's teachings in (Dual Covenant Theology) in two peoples of God, Christian Zionism

This teaching has been planted into the hearts and minds by John N. Darby & Adulterer C.I. Scofield in his 1909 reference bible

Dallas Theological Seminary is the world headquarters for this teaching and belief, with its Alumni being, J. Vernon McGee, Hal Lindsey, Thomas Ice, David Jeremiah, Chuck Swindoll, Charles Ryrie, Tim La Haye, and the list goes on

It's my observation, they have no desire for truth, but will disregard this to maintain a belief and teaching, through their own lust

2 Timothy 4:3-4KJV
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

 

[GEN2REV]

Gen I agree with you presentation 100%, you are up against dispensationalism teachings in (Dual Covenant Theology) in two peoples of God, Christian Zionism

Is this the false doctrine that God has two promises that He's bringing to fruition? One to the Jews and one to the Gentiles?

While we have many verses that state that God only sees the heart, or spirit, not any race - or any other human distinction. That we are all one in Christ.

1 Samuel 16:7
Galatians 3:28
Romans 12:5

 

[Truth7t7]

Is this the false doctrine that God has two promises that He's bringing to fruition? One to the Jews and one to the Gentiles?

While we have many verses that state that God only sees the heart, or spirit, not any race - or any other human distinction. That we are all one in Christ.

1 Samuel 16:7
Galatians 3:28
Romans 12:5

I Agree

Their teaching goes way beyond imagination, many within this camp falsely teach that Jesus Christ is going to sit on a physical throne in Jerusalem amongst mortal humans, as Jews in a Jerusalem Temple are sacrificing animals before Jesus in commemoration to the Lords death on Calvary, No Joke!

They teach these Jews and Temple will be the focal point of world rule for 1,000 years, with this teaching being comparable to Hitlers reich for 1,000 years, as ethnic Jews rule the world

Tell me that ain't a wild fairy tale dream, and they believe it!

 

[Timtofly]

As the verses make plain, they knew in all their hearts and souls that it was a done deal.

That's all that matters.

That's all that will matter in the end when God doesn't set up a millennial reign upon the physical earth at Jesus' coming.

Did your god fail? Did he fail to set up a kingdom upon the earth at Jesus' first coming?

Did he fail to deliver his promises to Israel thousands of years ago?

My God doesn't fail. He's never failed and He never intended any of that. Everything that happened upon Jesus' first coming was part of God's Divine Plan. If He had intended to set up a kingdom here upon the physical earth, He would've done it then. He did not.

His kingdom is a heavenly, spiritual kingdom and it reigns as we speak. Jesus will turn all His power and authority over to the Father when He returns on the last day of the world. There will never be an earthly kingdom of God upon this earth. Never.
1 Corinthians 15:22-26

Done deal.

Except all the prophets in the OT came after Joshua. You have to put them on the list of all those who claim as you do, "Your God failed".

I never understand those who claim a "My God" and a "Your God". There is only one God.

None of the OT prophets declared God was finished in Joshua's day. Can you quote them saying what you are saying?

God kept the Promise given to Moses on Mt. Sinai to lead Israel out of Egypt to the promised land. That was a done deal in Joshua's day. But history was not completed then. There have been over 3,000 years since then. Why do you declare a completion stated over 3,000 years ago and negate history since then? Even the Cross was not a done deal in Israel in Joshua's day. That was still a future event. Yet according to you, even the Cross happened and a done deal in Joshua's day.

You have history completed and over with, nothing left for God to do, at the wrong time. This view is even more unbelievable than pretrism and 70AD.

 

[Timtofly]

I Agree

Their teaching goes way beyond imagination, many within this camp falsely teach that Jesus Christ is going to sit on a physical throne in Jerusalem amongst mortal humans, as Jews in a Jerusalem Temple are sacrificing animals before Jesus in commemoration to the Lords death on Calvary, No Joke!

They teach these Jews and Temple will be the focal point of world rule for 1,000 years, with this teaching being comparable to Hitlers reich for 1,000 years, as ethnic Jews rule the world

Tell me that ain't a wild fairy tale dream, and they believe it!

Yet your fairy tale claims God stopped working in Joshua's day and called all His work completed and done, if you agree with Gen2Rev.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Did you know that 65% of those inhabiting Palestine (Israel) today are Atheists?

For some reason, the bar graph image won't post. Here's the link:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/04/14/map-these-are-the-worlds-least-religious-countries/

And what % of the land would you guess is in question there?

So a small portion of those who live there even believe in A god at all, who knows how many embrace the God of the Bible. And a relatively small portion of the land is in question. Sounds like your case is growing stronger.

Thus endeth this fruitless conversation. Learn the Scriptures better and we can have a more enlightened discussion. Have the last word if you wish.