Is The Sheep/Goat Judgement Used, To Enter A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth?

[Truth7t7]

Same with Matthew 25. There are a couple of parables, then the literal event explained with symbolic terms. Everlasting life is still Everlasting life both literally and symbolically. No those are not literal sheep. They are literal Israelites. You do understand there are still Israelites scattered throughout all nations? Not all of them have immigrated to Israel. Under current covid restrictions some cannot even leave the country they are in, much less change where they live.

Yes symbolic terms (Sheep/Goats) used to explain a literal event is called a "Parable" that you denied, but now acknowledge, smiles!

Matthew 25:31-46 is nothing more than a "Parable" to "Herdsmen" using sheep/goats in explanation of the Great White Throne judgement seen in Revelation 20:11-15

Yes Matthew 25:46 clearly shows this "final judgement", eternal life, eternal punishment, (The End) with no Millennial Kingdom on this earth following as many claim

Matthew 25:46KJV
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

There are (Two) resurrections on this (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second Death) resurrection has no power.

1.) (First Resurrection) To Eternal Life
2.) (Second Death/Resurrection) To Eternal Damnation

No these are separated by 1,000 years. God knows how to communicate and He doesn't need Truth7t7 to try to tell us what He really meant to say. YOur ego is blinding your spirit.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

This promise was completed thousands of years ago.

These verses are, as you say, scripture "as it is written." And it couldn't be more plainly written:

"And the Lord gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein. And the Lord gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the Lord delivered all their enemies into their hand. There failed not ought (Nothing failed) of any good thing which the Lord had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass."
Joshua 21:43-45

So according to you teh Gog invasion of Ezekiel 37-38 has already occurred.
The lion is lying down with the lamb.
A child can put their hand in a snake den and not be harmed.
Jews no longer have to be taught to know the Lord for they all know Him from the least to the greatest
The Mount of Olives split in two and a river flowed out.
All Gentile nations come to Jerusalem (via a representative) once a year and keep the feast of tabernacles, and if they don't come, their land suffers a drought.-

I could go on, but no not all that God has prophesied in the OT has come to pass. Especially the land promises! If you wish I can list dozens of prophesies yet to be fulfilled that will be fulfilled as God inspired His prophets to speak!

 

[Truth7t7]

No these are separated by 1,000 years. God knows how to communicate and He doesn't need Truth7t7 to try to tell us what He really meant to say. YOur ego is blinding your spirit.

No 1,000 year separation is seen below as you claim

There are (Two) resurrections on this (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second Death) resurrection has no power.

1.) (First Resurrection) To Eternal Life
2.) (Second Death/Resurrection) To Eternal Damnation

Revelation 20:6KJV
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The (Last Day) Judgement

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

 

[Truth7t7]

So according to you teh Gog invasion of Ezekiel 37-38 has already occurred.
The lion is lying down with the lamb.
A child can put their hand in a snake den and not be harmed.
Jews no longer have to be taught to know the Lord for they all know Him from the least to the greatest
The Mount of Olives split in two and a river flowed out.
All Gentile nations come to Jerusalem (via a representative) once a year and keep the feast of tabernacles, and if they don't come, their land suffers a drought.-

I could go on, but no not all that God has prophesied in the OT has come to pass. Especially the land promises! If you wish I can list dozens of prophesies yet to be fulfilled that will be fulfilled as God inspired His prophets to speak!

Yes the battle of Ezekiel 39 was fought with "Wooden" weapons of warfare, yes these weapons are "Historical" burnt in the fires of Israel long ago

Ezekiel 39:9KJV
9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:

 

[Truth7t7]

So according to you teh Gog invasion of Ezekiel 37-38 has already occurred.
The lion is lying down with the lamb.
A child can put their hand in a snake den and not be harmed.
Jews no longer have to be taught to know the Lord for they all know Him from the least to the greatest
The Mount of Olives split in two and a river flowed out.
All Gentile nations come to Jerusalem (via a representative) once a year and keep the feast of tabernacles, and if they don't come, their land suffers a drought.-

I could go on, but no not all that God has prophesied in the OT has come to pass. Especially the land promises! If you wish I can list dozens of prophesies yet to be fulfilled that will be fulfilled as God inspired His prophets to speak!

At no place in Ezekiel chapters 37-38 does it explain any connection to the Eternal Kingdom seen in Isaiah chapters 11 and 65, or Zechariah 14 as you suggest

 

[Taken]

You have missed the point of my disagreement, and have chosen to now only argue that the parable is about the separation of the sheep and the Goats.

The petty point, as you have called it, that I was making is that the Sheep and the Goat Judgement occurs at the end of the seventh age after which the sheep enter into Eternity. In your initial post that I said I disagreed with, your agreeing with the OP ^^

[QUOTE[ you said that the sheep and the Goat Judgement will occur at the beginning of the seventh age, around 1,000 before the final judgement and [/QUOTE]

No, I did not say that.

that it will herald in the Millennium Kingdom on the earth that the sheep will enter into.

Yes. IN Brief; After Tribulation, Son of man RETURNS With His angels and Saints.
All survivors of the Trib of the nations come before Him.
Division, Sheep who survived the Trib, With the Lord, (the remnant of mortals.) to His Right hand.
Goats who survived the Trib, Without Him...to His Left hand.
War between sheep With the Lord...and the goats who become, defeated, become dead.
The fallen angels warring with the Lords holy angels defeated, sent to prison in hell....
The Kingdom on Earth, for 1,000 years Begins....Christ the Lord in His Throne, with His saints, and mortal rebuilding nations.
Then more prophecy is fulfilled.

There is a very big difference between our respective understanding as to what happens after the Sheep and the Goat Judgement.

Okay so we have a difference.

 

[Truth7t7]

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[Truth7t7]

The fallen angels warring with the Lords holy angels defeated, sent to prison in hell....
The Kingdom on Earth, for 1,000 years Begins....Christ the Lord in His Throne, with His saints, and mortal rebuilding nations.
Then more prophecy is fulfilled.

Okay so we have a difference.

Just as the OP describes, Matthew 25:46 shows the "Final Judgement" (The End)

Your claim of a Millennial Kingdom following Matthew 24:46 isnt found in scripture

 

[Timtofly]

I Agree, and they will continue to disregard presented truth, to maintain their bias in a "Millennial Kingdom On This Earth", found no place scripture, "A Fable"

2 Timothy 4:3-4KJV
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

You do know that Amil is a bias as well. It is a taught doctrine, not pointed out in Scripture any where. So the kettle calling the pot black is disingenuous.

If you are going to call premill a fable, then amil is an equal fable. Except Revelation 20 claims a 1,000 year period. Amil do not even have a Scripture that declares what John wrote in Revelation 20 is wrong.

 

[Timtofly]

And frustratingly, it's not even about failure to understand. It's about stubborn refusal.

Tim is referring to Preterist 70 A.D. 2nd Advent and making all manner of claims against all that we present without using any scripture to bolster his claims.

Kinda handicaps any constructive debate at all. That's his aim.

If you can't beat em, frustrate their cause. The author of confusion is afoot. (Not you, Tim. Just present ... always.)

Who said anything about preterism?

 

[Timtofly]

Yes symbolic terms (Sheep/Goats) used to explain a literal event is called a "Parable" that you denied, but now acknowledge, smiles!

Matthew 25:31-46 is nothing more than a "Parable" to "Herdsmen" using sheep/goats in explanation of the Great White Throne judgement seen in Revelation 20:11-15

Yes Matthew 25:46 clearly shows this "final judgement", eternal life, eternal punishment, (The End) with no Millennial Kingdom on this earth following as many claim

Matthew 25:46KJV
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

I never said it was a parable. I said sheep and goats are symbolic. Symbolic does not mean it is a parable. Is Revelation a parable, then?

 

[GEN2REV]

So according to you teh Gog invasion of Ezekiel 37-38 has already occurred.
The lion is lying down with the lamb.
A child can put their hand in a snake den and not be harmed.
Jews no longer have to be taught to know the Lord for they all know Him from the least to the greatest
The Mount of Olives split in two and a river flowed out.
All Gentile nations come to Jerusalem (via a representative) once a year and keep the feast of tabernacles, and if they don't come, their land suffers a drought.-

No.

Those two chapters look a whole lot like Revelation 20 verses with end-time Wrath events mixed in with New Heaven and New Earth events.

Ezekiel 37:1 says Ezekial was carried away in the spirit - just like Revelation.
Ezekiel 37:28 talks about God's Sanctuary being in the midst of His people forevermore. That's either now, with our bodies being God's Temple upon the earth and us reigning with Him forevermore ...
1 Corinthians 6:19
2 Timothy 2:11-12
... OR it's the New Heaven and New Earth because God's Kingdom is not of this world, and never will be.
John 18:36

I could go on, but no not all that God has prophesied in the OT has come to pass. Especially the land promises! If you wish I can list dozens of prophesies yet to be fulfilled that will be fulfilled as God inspired His prophets to speak!

Not sure where you imagined I stated that.

The land promises have been addressed multiple times now. Take it up with Joshua.
Joshua 21:43-45
Joshua 23:14-15

 

[GEN2REV]

Who said anything about preterism?

You did. In more than one post.

That heavenly kingdom was presented to God and glorified (past tense) at the Second Coming.

The heavenly city stopped (past tense) taking souls at the Second Coming. No more applicants for that city after the Second Coming.

You are implying the 2nd Advent already happened. And you did it in a prior post as well.

That is Preterism.

 

[Taken]

Just as the OP describes, Matthew 25:46 shows the "Final Judgement" (The End)

Your claim of a Millennial Kingdom following Matthew 24:46 isnt found in scripture

Not my job to search the scriptures for you, and definitely not my job to understand for you. If you think you have reached your destination, so be it.

 

[Truth7t7]

I never said it was a parable. I said sheep and goats are symbolic. Symbolic does not mean it is a parable. Is Revelation a parable, then?

Its a basic fundamental fact that the sheep/goats is a "Parable", to deny this fact doesn't warrant further response

Jesus IsThe Lord

 

[Timtofly]

Yes the battle of Ezekiel 39 was fought with "Wooden" weapons of warfare, yes these weapons are "Historical" burnt in the fires of Israel long ago

Ezekiel 39:9KJV
9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:

Are you sure those are literal weapons and not symbolic "visions"?

Would Ezekiel know the names of modern warfare and could only give approximate ancient representation?

 

[Timtofly]

You did. In more than one post.
You are implying the 2nd Advent already happened. And you did it in a prior post as well.

That is Preterism.

I post a lot in the past tense. Does not mean my post are preterist.

Coming from a Premil point of view, all of the Second Coming and GT events are in the past tense.

 

[Timtofly]

Its a basic fundamental fact that the sheep/goats is a "Parable", to deny this fact doesn't warrant further response

Jesus IsThe Lord

So the final judgment is a parable, and not a literal event?

Matthew 25:31-46 is not even about dead people nor a resurrection. It is about living humans who have never physically died. Even if a parable, (it is not), it is not even about post death, period. It is not a parable. It is a prophecy about Christ sitting on a throne in Jerusalem after the Second Coming.

"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:"

This does not say anything about "then spake He a parable." Nothing about a parable period.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The land promises have been addressed multiple times now. Take it up with Joshua.
Joshua 21:43-45
Joshua 23:14-15

But they did not have them as an eternal possession so the promises are not fulfilled! YOu overlook many words to draw your general conclusions.