Is The Sheep/Goat Judgement Used, To Enter A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth?

[Curtis]

"False"

Matthew 25:31-46 is nothing more than a "Parable" to "Herdsmen" using sheep/goats in explanation of the Great White Throne judgement seen in Revelation 20:11-15

Yes Matthew 25:46 clearly shows this "final judgement", eternal life, eternal punishment, (The End) with no Millennial Kingdom on this earth following as many claim

Matthew 25:46KJV
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

The sheep enter into the kingdom.

It’s a judgment of which nations on earth go into the millennium wit( king Jesus.

 

[Taken]

To which I responded with: -



And you responded with this statement: -



But you in the first quoted post above, stated that: -

"Is The Sheep/Goat Judgement Used, To Enter A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth?
OP ^

Yes."

I disagreed that the Separation of the Sheep from the Goats is used to enter the Millennial Kingdom but it is rather used so as to separate those who will enter Eternity, i.e. the sheep, from those who will go into the Lake of Fire, i.e. the Goats.

Then in your last post quoted above, you ignore whether or not the judgement is to separate the sheep from the Goats as to who goes into what, the Millennium Kingdom or Eternity. You have left that part of what you and I have posted hanging.

Is the Sheep / Goat Judgement Used, to Enter a Millennial Kingdom On This Earth.

I said YES.
Scripture says, WHEN the Son of man RETURNS with Glory, He shall sit upon
His Throne, and SEPARATE one from another, of those WITH Him, and of those WITHOUT Him.
Those WITH Him, Shall be WITH Him in His (on the earth) Kingdom.
Those WITHOUT Him, Shall be DEPARTED From Him (to in the earth).

This IS Precisely the Son of man, Returning to Earth, being SEATED as KING OF His Inheritance, His Kingdom, His Throne, beginning His Millennial Reign, OVER men WITH Him, who also are receiving Their Inheritance OF LAND promised to Abraham’s Faithful Descendants, They being Occupants OF the Kings Earthly Kingdom, and Servants OF their King.

Those who were not, are not Servants OF The King, were not, are not Faithful Descendants of Abraham, were not are not entitled to Abraham’s Land inheritance, SHALL be divided AWAY and sent AWAY.

Matt 25:
[31] When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
[32] And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
[33] And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
[34] Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
[41] Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

I disagreed that the Separation of the Sheep from the Goats is used to enter the Millennial Kingdom but it is rather used so as to separate those who will enter Eternity, i.e. the sheep, from those who will go into the Lake of Fire, i.e. the Goats.

Your disagreement is about separation.
I addressed the separation (Left and Right), and further clarify WITH SCRIPTURE the WHO IS Separated, the WHY they are separated, and WHERE each of the Separated goes, and WHEN.

Your disagreement is petty.

 

[GEN2REV]

Wow do you need to read the Bible.

He comes twice, not jut once. The first time as a lamb, the second time as the lion of Judah.

The first time the kingdom was spiritual, the second time He comes, it is to set up His eternal kingdom on earth, in Jerusalem, on the throne of David. per the many specific prophecies in Luke, Isaiah, Jeremiah, and more.

Oh, now He comes twice.

Ok.

 

[Timtofly]

This is not a general judgment of all Gentiles. This is Christ separating Israel out of the Nations. Both the sheep and goats represent Israel. Many teach according to the remnant of Israel who are saved. Some claim all of Israel are changed at one time. So is the restoration of Israel 100%, 33%, or 50%? Jesus never claims how many are goats and how many are sheep. There could be 99% sheep, and 1% goats. The point is not the amount, but the reward given to the sheep and the reward given to the goats. And this parable is about Israel, not all of humanity.

This is not the final judgment. These are living humans in physical bodies. Those at the GWT are the dead. They have no physical bodies at the GWT. The sheep and goats judgment is not even Revelation 20:4. Those are physically dead souls brought back to physical life. The sheep are judge and awarded permanent incorruptible physical bodies. They rule and reign with Christ the Prince during the 1,000 year reign. They are spared from going through the rest of the GT and Satan's 42 months.

The church is the first group removed at the Second Coming. The sheep is the second group. So the sheep do not represent the church. The church represents the church. The sheep represents Israel, being called out. The 100% of Israel "changed in a day". Like some who claim to be church, and are not. The goats are those who claim to be Israel and are not.

The last group is the final harvest of Gentiles themselves, the wheat and the tares. Those are humans alive today, who still have not heard the gospel nor rejected that gospel. The wheat and tares are not left behind church members nor goats. They represent those who hear the gospel from Christ, Himself during the GT. And from the 144k disciples. Jesus is going to be on the earth during this time of trouble the same way He was with the original 12 disciples. He will send them out just like he did in the first century. They plant the seed of the Gospel. The angels will harvest the wheat and the tares. During that time, both the church and Israel will have already been removed from the earth. Does no one see that Revelation is the systematic methodical removal of all of Adam's flesh and blood from the earth? First the church. Then Israel. Then a Gentile harvest. If at the 7th Trumpet Christ as Prince confirms the Atonement, and finds some gleanings left, souls still to enter the kingdom, then and only then will Satan be given 42 months.

Those last souls to enter the kingdom do so by having their heads chopped off. Those beheaded are your post tribulation "die hards". So those who think they are going to make it to the end, will not. They did not leave with the church, nor Israel, nor the wheat. Why would God give them chance after chance to leave, but they are still on earth? Does not any one see, that the last chance to have eternal life is having one's head chopped off?

The Seals are about the church taken out. The Trumpets are calling Israel to assembly after the Second Coming. The Thunders are for those living after the 6 Trumpets, and we never needed to know what they were, because they were never about, nor for the church, nor Israel. They were about the wheat and tares after Jesus and the angels were already present on the earth. And only after the Thunders are we told Satan gets 42 months. Most place Satan's time even before the Second Coming. That cannot work according to Revelation. The only one's left for the vials, the wrath of God, are those with the mark. Not even the 2 witnesses are alive. Their bodies are there dead in Jerusalem during the 7 vials.

So yes, the sheep and goat judgment is after the Second Coming done by Christ as Prince on the throne in Jerusalem for Israel, to allow that group of sheep to rule with Him during the 1,000 year reign. The same throne allowed to be used by the FP and Satan, only if the 42 months are necessary. That is the 7th Trumpet Atonement confirmation to see if any souls are left to harvest as described in Daniel 9:27. That week split is the week of the 7th Trumpet. That desolation is the 42 months. The war that ends that desolation is the battle of Armageddon. The return in Revelation 19 is to take back the throne after 42 months of desolation.

For that matter Jerusalem is the mystery Babylon, because that is the seat of Satan's Babylon empire for those short 3.5 years. Who is left to govern is about to be revealed at the Second Coming.

 

[Truth7t7]

Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

The sheep enter into the kingdom.

It’s a judgment of which nations on earth go into the millennium wit( king Jesus.

Your claim is false, its the time of eternal judgement and you know it

You conveniently leave out verse 46 seen below, of course it's the "Final Judgement" of all

"Everlasting Punishment"

"Life Eternal"

Matthew 25:46KJV
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

 

[Timtofly]

Your claim is false, its the time of eternal judgement and you know it

You conveniently leave out verse 46 seen below, of course it's the "Final Judgement" of all

"Everlasting Punishment"

"Life Eternal"

Matthew 25:46KJV
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Don't you already have eternal life in Christ? Or are you going to wait for Christ to decide that for you? If you have made that personal choice and born from above, why do you need to wait and let Christ make that decision for you at some judgment throne? You have eternal life already granted.

In Christ, your judgment was on the Cross. Your eternal life already declared.

 

[Truth7t7]

Don't you already have eternal life in Christ? Or are you going to wait for Christ to decide that for you? If you have made that personal choice and born from above, why do you need to wait and let Christ make that decision for you at some judgment throne? You have eternal life already granted.

In Christ, your judgment was on the Cross. Your eternal life already declared.

Your claims are a complete "Diversion"

That seen below represents the "Future" final judgement, and has absolutely nothing to do with the process of receiving Jesus Christ as you suggest

"Everlasting Punishment"

"Life Eternal"

Matthew 25:46KJV
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

 

[GEN2REV]

.. this parable is about Israel, not all of humanity.

No, it's all of humanity, Tim.
"... And before Him shall be gathered all nations: and He shall separate them one from another, as a Shepherd divideth His sheep from the goats:"
Matthew 25:31-32

This is not the final judgment. These are living humans in physical bodies.

No, this is the Final Judgment ...
"When the Son of Man shall come in His Glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then shall He sit upon the throne of His Glory:"
Matthew 25:31-32

... and these stand before God after heaven and earth flee away from the face of Him that sits upon the throne.
Revelation 20:11

Thrones are always in the heavenly realm in scripture.

So yes, the sheep and goat judgment is after the Second Coming done by Christ as Prince on the throne in Jerusalem for Israel, to allow that group of sheep to rule with Him during the 1,000 year reign.

No. No 1,000 year reign upon the physical earth after Christ returns.

 

[GEN2REV]

In Christ, your judgment was on the Cross. Your eternal life already declared.

And Christ's kingdom already began at that very time.

It will be turned over to the Father upon Christ's return on the Last Day. NOT begin a 1,000 year reign that has already taken place.
1 Corinthians 15:22-26

 

[Timtofly]

Your claims are a complete "Diversion"

That seen below represents the "Future" final judgement, and has absolutely nothing to do with the process of receiving Jesus Christ as you suggest

"Everlasting Punishment"

"Life Eternal"

Matthew 25:46KJV
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

So this is not about the redeemed NT church. I agree. Stop saying it is about the redeemed NT church.

It is a final judgment for the sheep and goats. It is not the GWT. God has been sitting on the GWT since creation. The throne in Matthew 25 is the Lamb's throne in Jerusalem set up at the Second Coming. It is for the living, not the dead. So stop the diversion about the true purpose of Matthew 25, with conflating this throne with the GWT.

 

[Timtofly]

No, it's all of humanity, Tim.
"... And before Him shall be gathered all nations: and He shall separate them one from another, as a Shepherd divideth His sheep from the goats:"
Matthew 25:31-32
No, this is the Final Judgment ...
"When the Son of Man shall come in His Glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then shall He sit upon the throne of His Glory:"
Matthew 25:31-32

... and these stand before God after heaven and earth flee away from the face of Him that sits upon the throne.
Revelation 20:11

Thrones are always in the heavenly realm in scripture.

No. No 1,000 year reign upon the physical earth after Christ returns.

Nope. This throne is in Jerusalem for the living ethnos.

The GWT is after creation for the dead only. Your Amil bias is conflating two separate events.

"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:"

Jesus does not "come to heaven". Jesus comes to earth. It would not say "come", if Jesus remained in heaven. The verb indicates an arrival to earth.

"And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them."

The GWT did not just suddenly pop into existence. No verb action pertaining to the throne. John saw the throne alone by itself. The verb action was that heaven and earth "fled". That is symbolic that they no longer existed. That creation just dissolved away quietly. Only the dead stood before God. No living nations, no living humans at all, only the dead.

 

[Timtofly]

And Christ's kingdom already began at that very time.

It will be turned over to the Father upon Christ's return on the Last Day. NOT begin a 1,000 year reign that has already taken place.
1 Corinthians 15:22-26

That heavenly kingdom was presented to God and glorified at the Second Coming.

The Second Coming also brings Christ the Prince per Daniel 9, to earth. Christ is the Prince to come. Come to earth with all the angels. That is to finish the earthly kingdom. Once again, Amil bias conflating two different phenomenon.

Abraham was called out to start looking for that heavenly city. Not even a kingdom. The kingdom was always earthly for Israel itself. Many of Israel looked for that heavenly city as well. The last kingdom is the earthly kingdom. The heavenly city stopped taking souls at the Second Coming. No more applicants for that city after the Second Coming. Only the firstfruits of the 1,000 year reign after the Second Coming. Sheep are part of those firstfruits.

 

[Truth7t7]

So this is not about the redeemed NT church. I agree. Stop saying it is about the redeemed NT church.

It is a final judgment for the sheep and goats. It is not the GWT. God has been sitting on the GWT since creation. The throne in Matthew 25 is the Lamb's throne in Jerusalem set up at the Second Coming. It is for the living, not the dead. So stop the diversion about the true purpose of Matthew 25, with conflating this throne with the GWT.

Matthew 25:31-46 is nothing more than a "Parable" to "Herdsmen" using sheep/goats in explanation of the Great White Throne judgement seen in Revelation 20:11-15

Yes Matthew 25:46 clearly shows this "final judgement", eternal life, eternal punishment, (The End) with no Millennial Kingdom on this earth following as many claim

Matthew 25:46KJV
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

 

[Truth7t7]

No, it's all of humanity, Tim.
"... And before Him shall be gathered all nations: and He shall separate them one from another, as a Shepherd divideth His sheep from the goats:"
Matthew 25:31-32
No, this is the Final Judgment ...
"When the Son of Man shall come in His Glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then shall He sit upon the throne of His Glory:"
Matthew 25:31-32

... and these stand before God after heaven and earth flee away from the face of Him that sits upon the throne.
Revelation 20:11

Thrones are always in the heavenly realm in scripture.

No. No 1,000 year reign upon the physical earth after Christ returns.

Yes We Agree!

They aren't going to acknowledge truth, and the dont stand alone

When Jesus Christ returns the resurrection takes place and (Then Cometh The End) there is no Millennial Kingdom on this earth following, and they know it, simple and clear as seen below

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

 

[Timtofly]

Matthew 25:31-46 is nothing more than a "Parable" to "Herdsmen" using sheep/goats in explanation of the Great White Throne judgement seen in Revelation 20:11-15

Yes Matthew 25:46 clearly shows this "final judgement", eternal life, eternal punishment, (The End) with no Millennial Kingdom on this earth following as many claim

Matthew 25:46KJV
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

No that is not a parable. That is an Amil bias insinuating Revelation 20 is not literal. The Second Coming is a literal event, not a parable.

 

[Truth7t7]

No that is not a parable. That is an Amil bias insinuating Revelation 20 is not literal. The Second Coming is a literal event, not a parable.

Your claim is false, Jesus spoke in parables throughout the new testament regarding the second coming and final judgement

You think sheep/goats are going to be literally judged by Jesus Christ "No", it's a parable using sheep/goats in symbolic representation, speaking to herdsman

(Fish/Nets/Fishermen) (Wheat/Tares/Farmers)

Pretty hard to debate, when a poster is unable to understand basic fundamental facts within scripture

 

[GEN2REV]

Pretty hard to debate, when a poster is unable to understand basic fundamental facts within scripture

And frustratingly, it's not even about failure to understand. It's about stubborn refusal.

Tim is referring to Preterist 70 A.D. 2nd Advent and making all manner of claims against all that we present without using any scripture to bolster his claims.

Kinda handicaps any constructive debate at all. That's his aim.

If you can't beat em, frustrate their cause. The author of confusion is afoot. (Not you, Tim. Just present ... always.)

 

[Jay Ross]

Is the Sheep / Goat Judgement Used, to Enter a Millennial Kingdom On This Earth.

I said YES.

<snip>

Your disagreement is about separation.
I addressed the separation (Left and Right), and further clarify WITH SCRIPTURE the WHO IS Separated, the WHY they are separated, and WHERE each of the Separated goes, and WHEN.

Your disagreement is petty.

You have missed the point of my disagreement, and have chosen to now only argue that the parable is about the separation of the sheep and the Goats.

The petty point, as you have called it, that I was making is that the Sheep and the Goat Judgement occurs at the end of the seventh age after which the sheep enter into Eternity. In your initial post that I said I disagreed with, your agreeing with the OP ^^ you said that the sheep and the Goat Judgement will occur at the beginning of the seventh age, around 1,000 before the final judgement and that it will herald in the Millennium Kingdom on the earth that the sheep will enter into. There is a very big difference between our respective understanding as to what happens after the Sheep and the Goat Judgement.

If that is petty in your mind, then so be it.

 

[Truth7t7]

And frustratingly, it's not even about failure to understand. It's about stubborn refusal.

Tim is referring to Preterist 70 A.D. 2nd Advent and making all manner of claims against all that we present without using any scripture to bolster his claims.

Kinda handicaps any constructive debate at all. That's his aim.

If you can't beat em, frustrate their cause. The author of confusion is afoot. (Not you, Tim. Just present ... always.)

I Agree, and they will continue to disregard presented truth, to maintain their bias in a "Millennial Kingdom On This Earth", found no place scripture, "A Fable"

2 Timothy 4:3-4KJV
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

 

[Timtofly]

Your claim is false, Jesus spoke in parables throughout the new testament regarding the second coming and final judgement

You think sheep/goats are going to be literally judged by Jesus Christ "No", it's a parable using sheep/goats in symbolic representation, speaking to herdsman

(Fish/Nets/Fishermen) (Wheat/Tares/Farmers)

Pretty hard to debate, when a poster is unable to understand basic fundamental facts within scripture

Is Matthew 24 a parable? There are parables. There are literal instances with symbolic terminology. Matthew 13 gives us a parable. Then Jesus gives us the literal historical future. Same with Matthew 25. There are a couple of parables, then the literal event explained with symbolic terms. Everlasting life is still Everlasting life both literally and symbolically. No those are not literal sheep. They are literal Israelites. You do understand there are still Israelites scattered throughout all nations? Not all of them have immigrated to Israel. Under current covid restrictions some cannot even leave the country they are in, much less change where they live.