HERESY?

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Sometimes I think it's impossible to speak about the Godhead/Trinity !
I wish we could all use the same language - even if there's disagreement.

Let the Scriptures do the talking

 

[GodsGrace]

There actually is a work of faith, though:

1Th 1:2 We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers;

1Th 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;

We do all with faith.

 

[GodsGrace]

Let the Scriptures do the talking

I wish GE
We use a different language depending on which church we attend.
It's very much divisional.

 

[GodsGrace]

True. Now who knows your real name here ... so let's say your real name or name and surname are Enoch Pater. So you're Pater aren't you? Or would have been would this have been your real name?
God the Father's Son as sure as his Father is God the Father is God the Father Himself. ISAIAH 9:6

Why Isaiah 9.6?

If Jesus is Also God Father, then those that say He was praying to Himself while on earth are right.

Also, if Father was on earth, who was upholding the universe and all in it?

 

[GodsGrace]

In plain english that is what you teach--If a capitol G God is in the last line at John 1:1--the second line reads And God was with God in simple english. And Rev 3:12 would read--God has a God. Not to even mention the other God over there-Hs.

God was with God is a correct understanding.

Can't remember if I mentioned this to you...

Word is translated for logos. We have no english word for Logos. It means the spoken word, it means the reasoning power...

GOD'S logos is God, of course.
Our "logos" is human.

God's logos became flesh and dwelt among us.
It's the 2nd person of the Trinity. Once born, the logos became the Son.

 

[GodsGrace]

The Church that started in Acts 2(Pentecost) is the true and only Church.

The only way any individual person can lay claim that they are in that particular Church is if their doctrine and experience are identical to the Acts Church.

The rest are affiliated to Catholicism(the great whore) in some form.

Truther
The original church no longer exists,,,even the one you attend does not follow the church of Acts.

What I'm saying is that THE WAY and THE UNIVERSAL CHURCH, AKA THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
Is the church that can be traced back to Acts.
You don't have to believe this but it's plain history.

Also you shouldn't hate any church.
Hate should not be in the Christian's vocabulary or heart.
Jesus said to love our enemies,,
Anyone could love their friends.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

The original church no longer exists,,,even the one you attend does not follow


Our marching orders for today are to “ follow Paul as he followed Christ”.....One “ follows Paul “ by Resting in “his Gospel” —- the Gospel That you will be JUDGED BY on Judgement Day.....for that reason, I recommend that one get familiar with it ......it’s the Good News Given to Paul from Jesus personally....find it in 1Cor15:1-4....

 

[GodsGrace]

The original church no longer exists,,,even the one you attend does not follow


Our marching orders for today are to “ follow Paul as he followed Christ”.....One “ follows Paul “ by Resting in “his Gospel” —- the Gospel That you will be JUDGED BY on Judgement Day.....for that reason, I recommend that one get familiar with it ......it’s the Good News Given to Paul from Jesus personally....find it in 1Cor15:1-4....

Agreed.
But, question:

Why do you say to follow Paul?

I follow Jesus,
He's the One that went to the cross.

 

[Cooper]

God was with God is a correct understanding.

Can't remember if I mentioned this to you...

Word is translated for logos. We have no english word for Logos. It means the spoken word, it means the reasoning power...

GOD'S logos is God, of course.
Our "logos" is human.

God's logos became flesh and dwelt among us.
It's the 2nd person of the Trinity. Once born, the logos became the Son.

For everyone's edification, we learn from John 1:1 that Christ was there in the beginning, and it shouldn't need saying, but as the Word on earth, he taught us both in speech and in action. He taught us in speach through his teaching, and by his death he told us how much he loves us.

Verse 2 tells us He existed in the beginning.
.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Agreed.
But, question:

Why do you say to follow Paul?

I follow Jesus,
He's the One that went to the cross.

I “ follow” Paul.As ordered. I “ Worship” Jesus.As is Fitting.

Paul was an imperfect man, just like us in that regard, another Sinner Saved by Grace....It is beyond ludicrous to even “ think” he was on the same level as Christ....The only reason we follow Paul is because “he” follows Christ.....

The Bible makes clear that human leadership is both a necessity and a benefit to the Church.....Paul never tried to be a Boss , Lording it over his converts.....Paul always tried to be an “ Example” .....an example is somebody who sets a proper pattern on how to walk the Walk Of Faith.....All members of the Church should recognize their need for somebody that is wiser and stronger to teach us more about Truth and Grace and proper conduct and service to others......What human set a better pattern of living out the Christian Faith than Paul? That is why we have been instructed to follow Paul AS HE FOLLOWS CHRIST ......

We would be “ walking around in the dark” in regard to many things were it not for the teachings and writings and ultimately the example set by Paul.....it must be noted that Paul wrote NOTHING that he was not inspired to write by the Holy Spirit....If Paul said it—- it’s as good as Jesus saying it....Paul was God’s “ Chosen Vessel” to speak for Jesus after the latter’s Ascension....listen to Paul.....he is the one that we Gentiles are to go to for our Doctrine...yes, listen to Paul and follow him and his example.....it’s for our own benefit....

 

[Cooper]

In plain english that is what you teach--If a capitol G God is in the last line at John 1:1--the second line reads And God was with God in simple english. And Rev 3:12 would read--God has a God. Not to even mention the other God over there-Hs.

The overcomer (us) will have three names written on him: the name of ... God, the name of the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from ... God, and the new name of the Lord Jesus. He will thus be identified as belonging to all three.
.

 

[GodsGrace]

For everyone's edification, we learn from John 1:1 that Christ was there in the beginning, and it shouldn't need saying, but as the Word on earth, he taught us both in speech and in action. He taught us in speach through his teaching, and by his death he told us how much he loves us.

Verse 2 tells us He existed in the beginning.
.

Correct.

 

[Truther]

Nope, it's NOT. Faith is always a gift, and it must have TWO ATTRIBUTES:

It has SUBSTANCE (so that it'll hold you when you put your weight on it.
It is also incontrovertible EVIDENCE that what you DON'T SEE - is really there.
Because God told you so (Rom 10:17)

So, the gift of faith can fail?

It takes no work on our part to have faith or let our faith grow greater?

Jesus prayed for Peter that God's faith fail not or Peter's faith?

 

[Truther]

Sorry, but Jesus, as a man, wasn't Omniscient, Omnipresent, OR Omnipotent He was empowered to do what He did by the Holy SPirit, and led by Him.

Jesus was made omnipresent after his life on earth.

Do you agree that Jesus is omnipresent now but not on while he lived on earth?

Or, is the 5'9" Jesus travelling through the universe at the speed of light today?

 

[Truther]

Truther
The original church no longer exists,,,even the one you attend does not follow the church of Acts.

What I'm saying is that THE WAY and THE UNIVERSAL CHURCH, AKA THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
Is the church that can be traced back to Acts.
You don't have to believe this but it's plain history.

Also you shouldn't hate any church.
Hate should not be in the Christian's vocabulary or heart.
Jesus said to love our enemies,,
Anyone could love their friends.

No, the original church did not die off or go extinct.

The original church will continue from Acts 2 until the 2nd coming of Christ.

This is why God had it documented in Acts 2 for us to duplicate.

After the 2nd coming of Christ(that which is perfect is come per 1 Cor 13), the gifts of the Acts church will cease.

Nobody can decree the Acts 2 church away.

I don't hate the great whore, but God does.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

There actually is a work of faith, though:

1Th 1:2 We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers;

1Th 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;

What you cal a "Work" is actually a "FRUIT" of the existence of actual BIBLICAL FAITH in a person's life.

The Book of James is a "Litmus test" so that you can determine id what you "Call" FAITH - actually IS faith, or nothing more than mental assent accompanied by some Religious activity.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Jesus was made omnipresent after his life on earth.

I believe that to be true.

 

[farouk]

What you cal a "Work" is actually a "FRUIT" of the existence of actual BIBLICAL FAITH in a person's life.

The Book of James is a "Litmus test" so that you can determine id what you "Call" FAITH - actually IS faith, or nothing more than mental assent accompanied by some Religious activity.

@Bob Carabbio A good assessment of what might actually be going on in some ppl's hearts. Hebrews 4.12 comes to mind...

 

[farouk]

I believe that to be true.

He never ceased to have the attributes of Deity even when on earth...

Interesting that the Lord Jesus said in John 1.48: "Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee."

 

[JesusFan1]

There IS only One True God.
Christianity believes there is only one God.
Did you think there are 3 gods in the Godhead?

no, rather One God, but in 3 Persons