HERESY?

[Taken]

Yes one in purpose.
It goes on to say all the followers will become one with them= in purpose. That purpose is living to Do Jesus Fathers will over our own will-Matthew 7:21-John 5:30. Like Jesus does. He also taught the Father is greater than him, And the bible teaches only the Father knows the day and hour--proves your thinking is error. And that being one = in purpose.

Of course He is one in Purpose, however the High-Light IS, the Father and Son Are........ONE GOD.
Immediately after Jesus said....”I and my father are one”....the Jews accused Jesus of doing exactly what He was doing...”claiming to Be God!”

John 10:
[30] I and my Father are one. <— ONE WHAT? What is God?
A Purpose? What is God? The Creator? The Maker? The Heavenly God?
[31] Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
[32] Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
[33] The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

 

[GodsGrace]

Jesus explained many times that even though the Pharisees had the Bible they didn't understand its true meaning. So much for orthodoxy.

You mean that only those that do not believe Jesus is God understand the bible?

BTW
The pharisees understood the OT.
Too many declared Messiah's that disappointed.

 

[Jim B]

Why do persons such as yourself come onto Christian forums and try to convince Christian persons that Jesus is not God?
What could be the purpose for this?

You could believe Jesus is not God,
but perhaps you should stop trying to convince others because it's not that you're trying to understand --
which would be OK...you're spreading heresy.

So you know what heresy is?
It's teaching that is not orthodox Christian teaching.

The early church had a special council for this very reason due to arianism.
Seems like arianism is back.

Jesus explained many times that even though the Pharisees had the Bible they didn't understand its true meaning. So much for orthodoxy. If Jesus is God the Father, why would He pray to God, i.e., pray to Himself? Jesus is God's Son and one of the three persons of the Godhead. He is not and never will be God the Father.

You could believe Jesus is God the Father, but perhaps you should stop trying to convince others because it's not that you're trying to understand -- which would be OK...you're spreading heresy.

 

[Enoch111]

Jesus is God's Son and one of the three persons of the Godhead. He is not and never will be God the Father.

Jesus is BOTH the Son of God and God the Son (or God the Word). So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. But there is only one God, so there are three divine persons within the Godhead. This is the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ. We have a few naysayers here who deny this.

 

[Cooper]

I didn't mean on earth.
I'm talking about the Trinity.
Are you saying God Father and God Son are the same "person"?

Sometimes you post what is right on
and sometimes I don't really understand what you mean...

In a discussion I sometimes start from the other person's point of view in the hope of moving forward. The problem is, it looks like my position is similar to theirs to a lot of people, but I can assure you, that is not the case. :)

Don't worry about me, I firmly believe in ONE omnipresent God within our hearts, (Revelation 3;20 Jesus), on earth (Jesus, the Gospels) and when we meet our coming King and Lord of Lords who is preparing a place for us in heaven as any Father would do for his children. His name on earth is JESUS and the Bible tells us He is "God with us." May the Almighty God bless us, keep us firm in the faith, and be with us all. Amen.
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[GerhardEbersoehn]

I think we should be less critical of doctrine and be more focused on fulfilling Jesus’ commands. We need to love each other. The world hates its fellow man now.

I think we should be less focused on US and or the CHURCH, <fulfilling Jesus’ commands and how WE need to love each other>, and be MORE critical of the world that HATES its fellow man and the DOCTRINE of Christ so much nowadays.

 

[Mantis]

I think we should be less focused on US and or the CHURCH, <fulfilling Jesus’ commands and how WE need to love each other>, and be MORE critical of the world that HATES its fellow man and the DOCTRINE of Christ so much nowadays.

Well said!

 

[Truther]

This doesn't negate the fact that there were false teachings in the church before Paul died. His epistles are full of comments about doctrinal errors and odd practices in the churches.

Certainly there were false teachings such as the Judaisers at Galatia Paul cursed etc.

My point is after the Apostles died, they were not here to define their writings anymore.

This is when false doctrine took off like a rocket.

If Paul returned to see what has happened to Christendom today, he would faint.

 

[Truther]

Truther
Jim and Grace are right..
The church was already being corrupted by some sects before John died,,,he was very concerned about the gnostics.
When he stated in his gospel that they left because they are not of us, he meant the gnostics.

You're right too.
This happened after Jesus left us and returned to the Father.

Do you think the RCC would have risen up if the Apostles were still alive?

 

[Truther]

Peter was an apostle, in his books he had to make corrections about fornication being ok. those teaching such things were called super apostles.

Huh?

 

[Jim B]

Jesus is BOTH the Son of God and God the Son (or God the Word). So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. But there is only one God, so there are three divine persons within the Godhead. This is the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ. We have a few naysayers here who deny this.

Thank you for confirming what I wrote earlier: Jesus is God's Son and one of the three persons of the Godhead. He is not and never will be God the Father.

Your statement that there is only one God, so there are three divine persons within the Godhead is equating one person -- God -- with the other two: Jesus and the Holy Spirit. They are separate.

 

[GodsGrace]

In a discussion I sometimes start from the other person's point of view in the hope of moving forward. The problem is, it looks like my position is similar to theirs to a lot of people, but I can assure you, that is not the case. :)

Don't worry about me, I firmly believe in ONE omnipresent God within our hearts, (Revelation 3;20 Jesus), on earth (Jesus, the Gospels) and when we meet our coming King and Lord of Lords who is preparing a place for us in heaven as any Father would do for his children. His name on earth is JESUS and the Bible tells us He is "God with us." May the Almighty God bless us, keep us firm in the faith, and be with us all. Amen.
.

Amen to that!

 

[GodsGrace]

Do you think the RCC would have risen up if the Apostles were still alive?

The CC (Roman is a rite) was the first and original church - which was called Universal - and it was good at the beginning for a few hundred years.
If the Apostles were still alive it would have remained as it was.
Things being what they are in human nature seeking power and glory,,,it added more and more doctrine calling it new revelation and it ended up being corrupt and thus the reformation.

I should say that the PERSONS were corrupt and corrupted the doctrine of the Apostles...
The church of God should not be said to be corrupt...as WE are the Church.
And IN JESUS all is blameless and holy.

 

[GodsGrace]

Thank you for confirming what I wrote earlier: Jesus is God's Son and one of the three persons of the Godhead. He is not and never will be God the Father.

Your statement that there is only one God, so there are three divine persons within the Godhead is equating one person -- God -- with the other two: Jesus and the Holy Spirit. They are separate.

Not easy for us to understand. However, you are right - the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one in being but separate in persons.

Did you ever see this? (also for @Enoch111)

 

[GodsGrace]

The Father sends one to Jesus to start with. Those who learn Jesus truth and obey him, those Jesus sends to his Father.
In the verses you shared you see Jesus telling all The Father sent him. And at John 17:1-6,26- a prayer to his Father Jesus tells all-the one who sent him is THE ONLY TRUE GOD. verse 6= YHWH(Jehovah) verse 26= YHWH(Jehovah)--

This is for you and anyone else who cares to read it.

https://www.cru.org/us/en/train-and...istian-beliefs/understanding-the-trinity.html

 

[GRACE ambassador]

This is for you and anyone else who cares to read it.

https://www.cru.org/us/en/train-and...istian-beliefs/understanding-the-trinity.html

Excellent, thanks So Much. Also this with 500 Scriptures:

"Complete" Case For JESUS Is Almighty God!

 

[JesusFan1]

Not sure where this should be...
the study of God seemed appropriate (maybe).

Every denomination has some teaching or doctrine that we would not agree with.

How would you explain the difference between an
incorrect teaching
and
a heretical teaching...?

IOW,,,when does an incorrect teaching become heretical?

Thanks.

When it alters or distorts essential Christian doctrines

 

[Truther]

The CC (Roman is a rite) was the first and original church - which was called Universal - and it was good at the beginning for a few hundred years.
If the Apostles were still alive it would have remained as it was.
Things being what they are in human nature seeking power and glory,,,it added more and more doctrine calling it new revelation and it ended up being corrupt and thus the reformation.

I should say that the PERSONS were corrupt and corrupted the doctrine of the Apostles...
The church of God should not be said to be corrupt...as WE are the Church.
And IN JESUS all is blameless and holy.

No, the 3000 in Acts 2 were the original Church because they obeyed Acts 2:38.

The RCC is a total fraud.

 

[Jim B]

There is only one church: the body of Christ. There are different denominations, each of which has a different interpretations of what being a part of the body means, but that doesn't mean that the body is broken into separate pieces.

1 Corinthians 12:12-13, "For just as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body—though many—are one body, so too is Christ. For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body. Whether Jews or Greeks or slaves or free, we were all made to drink of the one Spirit."

The claim by Catholic church (or any other denomination that makes the claim) that it alone is the true body of Christ is blasphemy.

1 Corinthians 1:10-13, "I urge you, brothers and sisters, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, to agree together, to end your divisions, and to be united by the same mind and purpose. For members of Ce’s household have made it clear to me, my brothers and sisters, that there are quarrels among you. Now I mean this, that each of you is saying, “I am with Paul,” or “I am with Apollos,” or “I am with Cephas,” or “I am with Christ.” Is Christ divided? Paul wasn’t crucified for you, was he? Or were you in fact baptized in the name of Paul?"

 

[Keiw]

You are only talking about 33 years which is a bink of an eye in the sight of God, and I am not disputing that. I am talking about eternity, so little wonder there is no agreement. Earthly things are unimportant other than our faith while we live which has eternal consequences and that is where our thoughts should be focussed.
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Living now to do Jesus Fathers will is important-Jesus said-only those will get to enter the kingdom-Matt 7:21--That will is--Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God.