The Biblical Basis for Catholic Distinctives

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Marymog

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By simple trust and faith in CHRIST and get in those bibles and learn HIM for yourself .
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Ok...So I 'get in my bible' and learn HIM for myself and you get in your bible and learn HIM for yourself and a Methodist get's in the bible and learns Him and a Baptist and a Lutheran and Joe sitting in his basement eating his Dorito's on a Sunday morning does the same thing. We all come up with different interpretations of the same passage. Which one of us has come up with a false doctrine and which one of us have come up with a true doctrine? Where does Scripture say we are to do what you are preaching? (hint, it doesn't)

Curious Mary
 

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YE NEED our scholars and teachers to help you . YET THEY teach
twisted docrine too , to maintain power and control . MY advice , FLEE those who teach such lies
and learn JESUS for yourselves . .
Do you teach lies to yourself?
 

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By simple trust and faith in CHRIST and get in those bibles and learn HIM for yourself .
My advice to all , whether in the protestant realm or catholic realm . Come ye out from amongst them
and be YE holy and try seeking GOD for yourself . Since when did seeking GOD with the whole heart
and getting into the bible for yourself become such a sin to this generation .
As for me , I AM STAYING GLUED in the bible and after CHRIST . And all men shall be tested .
SEEK YE GOD with ALL the heart and stop trusting in men , but trust rather in GOD and get in the bible .
HIS INSPIRED WORD is in that book . And test all against that book and the lovely truth in it .
GOD will not abandon those who truly seek HIM . HE has given the SPIRIT unto all who do beleive in HIM
YE shall find HIM , when ye stop trusting in men and start seeking HIM with ALL the heart .
Have you ever wondered why there was a reformation . Cause a harlot was not allowing the children
to read the scrips for themselves . But rather , for power and control she taught them through her own scribes
and her own twisted version . SO as SHE could maintain the power and control over the masses .
GUESS what , ITS very deep within the protestant realm as well . FOR they also say
ALAS ye cannot learn the scrips On your own , YE NEED our scholars and teachers to help you . YET THEY teach
twisted docrine too , to maintain power and control . MY advice , FLEE those who teach such lies
and learn JESUS for yourselves . GOD wont abandon his children and He has given the SPIRIT unto all who are HIS .
Simply seek HIM OUT and do so quickly while there is still time to do so . GET in that bible and learn and grow wise in Christ . HURRY
dont LOOK back .
Yes, you keep repeating that mantra - and you keep dodging the inevitable question:
When YOU read the Bible for YOURSELF and your neighbor reads the Bible for HIMSELF and you both come to opposite interpretations - WHO is right?
 

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And once agaoin - whe YOU read the Bible for YOURSELF and your neighbor reads the Bible for HIMSELF and you both come to opposite interpretations - WHO is right? Apparently, you don't understand that this is exactly what has happened under Protestantism.

This is the WHY there are so many perpetually-splontering Protestant sects - because people like YOU actually believe that you are supposed to interpret for yourself and invent your own doctrines.

Remember the words of Jesus, my lost friend - and the Authority that He gave to His Church - and NOT every individual . . .

Matt 16:18-19
And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.
I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. WHATEVER YOU BIND on earth shall be bound in heaven; and WHATEVER YOU LOOSE on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

John 16:12-15
“I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now.
But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to ALL truth. He will not speak on his own, but he will speak what he hears, and will declare to YOU the things that are coming.
He will glorify me, because he will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.
Everything that the Father has is MINE; for this reason I told you that he will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.

Luke 10:16
Whoever listens to YOU listens to ME. Whoever rejects YOU rejects ME. And whoever rejects ME rejects the ONE who sent ME."
I have a sister and a few others . They love the Lord . We sure dont seem to be coming to opposite conclusions of what we read .
WE seem to be agreeing . As i said , SEEK YE GOD with your whole heart and learn HIM for yourself .
Truth will always come to those who do seek the LORD . Its true most folks might come to contrary understandings
But lambs dont . So let us not base our own understanding through the faults of men . GO YE and simply LEARN JESUS
for yourself in the scrips . And watch what would happen .
 
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I have a sister and a few others . They love the Lord . We sure dont seem to be coming to opposite conclusions of what we read .
WE seem to be agreeing . As i said , SEEK YE GOD with your whole heart and learn HIM for yourself .
Truth will always come to those who do seek the LORD . Its true most folks might come to contrary understandings
But lambs dont . So let us not base our own understanding through the faults of men . GO YE and simply LEARN JESUS
for yourself in the scrips . And watch what would happen .
There are literally tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant sects that ALL teach different and COMPETING doctrines -based on the indicidual interpretations of each founder.

Now - HOW did thids happen if YOU claim that ALL we need is the Bible??
 
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?Scriptures And Confusion?
Probably because of:

1) NOT "belonging" To Christ = NO Indwelling Holy Spirit. God's Simple Will!

2) IF 1 is done, then NOT obeying one (or MORE) Of God's Bible study Rules!

Amen?
Oka - so back to my question:
WHICH sect is correct?
WHICH
one is teaching the correct doctrines based on the correct interpretations of Scripture?

By YOUR criteria - if there is confusioon because of competing doctrines - SOMEBODY has to be wrong - and SOMEBODY has to be right.
 

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There are literally tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant sects that ALL teach different and COMPETING doctrines -based on the indicidual interpretations of each founder.

Now - HOW did thids happen if YOU claim that ALL we need is the Bible??
cause many dont truly follow Christ . That is why it happens . Now go ye and learn HIM for yourself .
Go into the bible . IF one truly loves the LORD , GOD will open their eyes . Trust in GOD .
 
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cause many dont truly follow Christ . That is why it happens . Now go ye and learn HIM for yourself .
Go into the bible . IF one truly loves the LORD , GOD will open their eyes . Trust in GOD .
This is an extremely UNBIBLICAL view.

Jesus never said to "get a Bible" and "learn Him for yourself." He commanded His disciples to TEACH all nations (Matt. 28:19-20) - NOT to give them Bibles so othey can learn for themselves.
The Bible had not yet been written and compiled for another 300 years.

So, according to YOUR criteria - EVERYBODY who has a correct understanding of Scripture truly loves the Lord - and EVERYBODY who doesn't have a correct understanding doesn't love Him.

That means that EVERYBODY on this forum who doesn't interpret Scripture the way YOU do doesn't love God??
That's a pretty arrogant view . . .
 

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We are also a body of many members (and just one Head, whom is Christ).
Yep and the members o Christ dont sit at the table of compromise for sake of unity . Let us remember that as well .
But yes JESUS is the head the lambs are the body . The pope aint our head , nor any who teaches dangerous doctrine .
SO dont be seated together at that table of unity . A table so vile and rank that Christ himself would have overthrown it
as HE did the tables the jews had set up in HIS day . Let no man eat of her dainties . Simply learn those bible wells
and preach and teach THAT JESUS and all sound doctrine . DO so unto the end .
WE are in an upmost battle for the souls of men , and another jesus and another gospel cannot save a soul .
WE must stand now on the original doctrine and all things HE did teach and command as well as what the apostels did
and contend for the true faith . Cause many are now gathering under this table of compromise for unity
and its numbers grow and swell daily as troops upon troops are selling out the true JESUS for this new gospel , for this new unity
for this deadly lie and our making their beds with a HARLOT . We cannot do this . And i will die long before i do .
Be encouraged Scott . I have made my decision and it will cost me much . BUT I WILL CLING TO JESUS . I pray others will too .
 

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This is an extremely UNBIBLICAL view.

Jesus never said to "get a Bible" and "learn Him for yourself." He commanded His disciples to TEACH all nations (Matt. 28:19-20) - NOT to give them Bibles so othey can learn for themselves.
The Bible had not yet been written and compiled for another 300 years.

So, according to YOUR criteria - EVERYBODY who has a correct understanding of Scripture truly loves the Lord - and EVERYBODY who doesn't have a correct understanding doesn't love Him.

That means that EVERYBODY on this forum who doesn't interpret Scripture the way YOU do doesn't love God??
That's a pretty arrogant view . . .
It means get in the bible and learn JESUS for yourself . For many are being choked to death with deadly doctrines of men .
 

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The Bible had not yet been written and compiled for another 300 years.
Now who is the one promulgating Fake News?

The Syriac Peshitta (complete Bible translation in Syriac) was already circulating in the 2nd century, and the Muratori Canon (also from the 2nd century) had listed practically ever book which is found in Protestant bibles.

Prior to that the Hebrew Tanakh (our Protestant OT) was in the hands of Jewish Christians and Christ, and the Gospels and epistles were circulating in all the Christians churches. And that is also why Peter had read all of Paul's epistles and classified them as "Scripture" in his second epistle. That means that over half of the NT or more was already in the hands of Christians.

The myth which the Catholic Church likes to circulate is that they gave the world the Bible. But they conveniently forget that Catholic scholar Jerome -- who translated the Latin Vulgate from Hebrew and Greek in the 4th century -- was very clear that the apocryphal books should not be included in the OT. His recommendation was overridden by the pope of that time, so now the Catholic bibles have a corrupted OT.
 
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Now who is the one promulgating Fake News?

The Syriac Peshitta (complete Bible translation in Syriac) was already circulating in the 2nd century, and the Muratori Canon (also from the 2nd century) had listed practically ever book which is found in Protestant bibles.
The Muratorian Fragment (so-called because it represents only a portion of the actual second-century document discovered in 1740 by Lodovico Antonio Muratori), is the oldest extant listing of New Testament-era books revered by early Christians. It was written sometime between 155 and 200. Patristic scholars believe the unknown author originally wrote the list in Greek (since the Latin is very poor), but the oldest copy available is an eighth-century Latin manuscript.

Although the Muratorian Fragment is important in studying how the early Church developed the New Testament canon, it doesn’t give exactly the same list of books that was later adopted as canonical at the councils of Hippo and Carthage. The Muratorian Fragment is just that: a fragment of a larger list of books which were considered canonical or quasi-canonical during the second century.

The Fragment itself provides us with a good though incomplete idea of this early canon. Virtually the entire New Testament canon as we know it is represented but not all of it: the Gospels of Luke and John (preceded by what seems to be an allusion to the Gospels of Matthew and Mark), Acts, 1 & 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Romans, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 & 2 Thessalonians, Philemon, Titus, 1 & 2 Timothy, Jude, two letters of John (since the fragment simply says “the two ascribed to John,” we don’t know which two of his three letters are meant), and Revelation.

The unknown author adds other non-canonical books to this lineup but makes clear these were not considered part of the canon: the so-called Pauline Epistles to the Laodiceans and to the Alexandrians (about which the Fragment’s author expresses his conviction that they were not authored by Paul), the Apocalypse of Peter, and the Shepherd of Hermas). The Fragment’s list is cut short abruptly with a final, enigmatic phrase which may indicate that the author had gone on to include still other non-inspired writings: “Those also who wrote the new book of psalms for Marcion, together with Basilides, the founder of the Asian Cataphrygians.”

As you can see, although the Muratorian Fragment lists most of the New Testament books, it’s missing a few (e.g. James, one of John’s epistles, most likely 3 John), and it also adds the book of Wisdom as canonical, which is very interesting from a Catholic perspective.

These facts demonstrate that, although the Fragment came close, it did not represent the actual canon of inspired Scripture. Further, there is no internal evidence in the document that it sought to represent any kind of official canon that was regarded by the Church as binding.

In the first four centuries of the Church many books, such as the seven letters of Ignatius, the Letter of Clement [the fourth pope] to the Corinthians, the Didache, and The Shepherd were revered by many Christians as inspired but were later shown to be non-inspired.

It was not until the Synod of Rome under Pope Damasus in A.D. 382, followed by the Councils of Hippo and Carthage, that the Catholic Church defined, albeit non-infallibly, which books made it into the New Testament and which didn’t. Probably the council fathers studied the (complete) Muratorian Fragment and other documents, including, of course, the books in question themselves, but it was not until these Councils that the Church officially settled the issue.

The plain fact of the matter is that the canon of the Bible was not settled in the first years of the Church. It was settled only after repeated (and perhaps heated) discussions, and the final listing was determined by the pope and Catholic bishops. This is an inescapable fact, no matter how many people wish to escape from it.
Prior to that the Hebrew Tanakh (our Protestant OT) was in the hands of Jewish Christians and Christ, and the Gospels and epistles were circulating in all the Christians churches. And that is also why Peter had read all of Paul's epistles and classified them as "Scripture" in his second epistle. That means that over half of the NT or more was already in the hands of Christians.
In the first four centuries of the Church many books, such as the seven letters of Ignatius, the Letter of Clement [the fourth pope] to the Corinthians, the Didache, and The Shepherd were revered by many Christians as inspired but were later shown to be non-inspired.
The myth which the Catholic Church likes to circulate is that they gave the world the Bible. But they conveniently forget that Catholic scholar Jerome -- who translated the Latin Vulgate from Hebrew and Greek in the 4th century -- was very clear that the apocryphal books should not be included in the OT. His recommendation was overridden by the pope of that time, so now the Catholic bibles have a corrupted OT.
Wrong again. Although Jerome was once suspicious of the Apocrypha, he later viewed them as Scripture. For example, in Jerome's letter to Eustochium he quotes Sirach 13:2;[24] elsewhere Jerome also refers to Baruch, the Story of Susannah and Wisdom as scripture.[25][26][27]

There is no historical evidence of a 66 book canon existing anywhere on the planet until the 14th century. It's another one of those man made traditions.
 
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It means get in the bible and learn JESUS for yourself . For many are being choked to death with deadly doctrines of men .
Afteer several attempts - it sounds like you just copy and paste the same mantra in every post but are not willing to have a conversation.
That is NO way to evangelize.

If you refuse to address the questions are are incapable of answering them - just say so and I'll move on.
 

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Now who is the one promulgating Fake News?

The Syriac Peshitta (complete Bible translation in Syriac) was already circulating in the 2nd century, and the Muratori Canon (also from the 2nd century) had listed practically ever book which is found in Protestant bibles.

Prior to that the Hebrew Tanakh (our Protestant OT) was in the hands of Jewish Christians and Christ, and the Gospels and epistles were circulating in all the Christians churches. And that is also why Peter had read all of Paul's epistles and classified them as "Scripture" in his second epistle. That means that over half of the NT or more was already in the hands of Christians.

The myth which the Catholic Church likes to circulate is that they gave the world the Bible. But they conveniently forget that Catholic scholar Jerome -- who translated the Latin Vulgate from Hebrew and Greek in the 4th century -- was very clear that the apocryphal books should not be included in the OT. His recommendation was overridden by the pope of that time, so now the Catholic bibles have a corrupted OT.
I just got home and read this nonsense and was about to write my rebuttal - then I noriced that @Illumiator had already done a masterful job in post #438.

Anti-Catholics love to pretend that the Canon of the Bible was NOT declared by the Catholic Church in the 4th century - but you guys always get your history and archaeology messed up.

What's your excuse for throwing out the 7 Deuterocanonical Books when references and quote from them appear on the pages of the NT almost 200 times?
 
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Afteer several attempts - it sounds like you just copy and paste the same mantra in every post but are not willing to have a conversation.
That is NO way to evangelize.

If you refuse to address the questions are are incapable of answering them - just say so and I'll move on.
Then allow me to say it again . Get in those bibles and learn that Jesus . For many are decieving many . Go and learn that JESUS
in the bible and the things the apostels also wrote . For many men have and do decieve many .
I shall point to the biblical Christ , you point to the CC . On the last day many are truly going to wish
they had simply learned the biblical Christ well , not what men in power taught .
So my advice remains the same . Learn that bible , learn that JESUS well and learn what the true apostels taught .
And beware of those who love to deck themselves up with fancy large clothes and to be seen of men and have men
to bow before them and kiss their rings . Yea , i say they have long desired the worship of men and have long
constructed doctrine which has men to trust in them . But i have come to point us back to the original doctrine
to the JESUS of the BIBLE , and that sound doctrine . Beware of the protestant realm as well , many false ones fleecing them flock
all over the place . As for me , i wont be sitting at their table of unity . I shall pray for them that perhaps repentance can be given .
But i will expose the falsehoods they teach and warn all to stay far from their doctrines . POINT TO JESUS , i say and let us learn
those bibles well .
 
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Now who is the one promulgating Fake News?

The Syriac Peshitta (complete Bible translation in Syriac) was already circulating in the 2nd century, and the Muratori Canon (also from the 2nd century) had listed practically ever book which is found in Protestant bibles.

Prior to that the Hebrew Tanakh (our Protestant OT) was in the hands of Jewish Christians and Christ, and the Gospels and epistles were circulating in all the Christians churches. And that is also why Peter had read all of Paul's epistles and classified them as "Scripture" in his second epistle. That means that over half of the NT or more was already in the hands of Christians.

The myth which the Catholic Church likes to circulate is that they gave the world the Bible. But they conveniently forget that Catholic scholar Jerome -- who translated the Latin Vulgate from Hebrew and Greek in the 4th century -- was very clear that the apocryphal books should not be included in the OT. His recommendation was overridden by the pope of that time, so now the Catholic bibles have a corrupted OT.
Stay planted in the bible my friend . For many men have decieved many through all times .
I say let us learn our bibles well and follow that JESUS and stay well fed in the teachings of those apostles as well .
Just stay planted in the bible my friend . Too many have been decieved by the creation of and twisted created doctrines and precepts of men .
Let us just stay centered on Christ and for a book , Let it be the bible we hold in high esteem .
Lambs just love that biblical GOD inspired truth . YEs indeed they do . FOR THE LORD has planted that LOVE on our hearts .
 
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The united protestant and RCC shall not pry the love of truth , of Christ , of bible doctrine from my heart .
At most the only thing they can do is pry the bible from my hand , From my cold dead fingers .
Till my last breath or JESUS come , its the bible as the book for me . All men will be tested against that glorious truth .