Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

[PinSeeker]

Does this float your boat ... umm Ark: 1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. (KJV) (DRB) (ISV) (SLT) (CPDV) (WBT) (GWT), etc.

LOL! Yes and no. I'm sure there will be rolling of eyes, but allow me to explain: The English Standard Version (ESV) and New American Standard Bible (NASB) ~ and many other versions, but those are my two go-to versions, along with the New International Version (NIV) ~ translate the Greek to the English as "saved through water." Now, it is possible to use 'by' and 'through' interchangeably in many circumstances, but not in 1 Peter 3:20, because the context ~ Peter's context, here and elsewhere in the Bible ~ forbids it. The King James Version is not "bad," per se, but because of the antiquated language is easy to misunderstand in many places, this being one of them.

I'll offer you the same parable: "The pass sailed through the air to the receiver, and the play resulted in a touchdown." Now, the pass was thrown through the air. But was the pass also thrown by the air? Well no, that's a perfectly ridiculous thought, right? It went by air, but was not thrown by air. Surely you see.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[PinSeeker]

In Ephesians 2:8 Paul says we are saved by Grace THROUGH Faith.

Exactly. But we are not saved BY faith. God gives us faith, but faith is not what we are saved by. We are saved by God. Just like the touchdown resulting from the pass that went through the air to the receiver was thrown by the quarterback. :) Thanks for that. Yeah we have a great and awesome QB. He's also the Coach. And the Owner.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[user]

LOL! Yes and no. I'm sure there will be rolling of eyes, but allow me to explain: The English Standard Version (ESV) and New American Standard Bible (NASB) ~ and many other versions, but those are my two go-to versions, along with the New International Version (NIV) ~ translate the Greek to the English as "saved through water." Now, it is possible to use 'by' and 'through' interchangeably in many circumstances, but not in 1 Peter 3:20, because the context ~ Peter's context, here and elsewhere in the Bible ~ forbids it. The King James Version is not "bad," per se, but because of the antiquated language is easy to misunderstand in many places, this being one of them.

I'll offer you the same parable: "The pass sailed through the air to the receiver, and the play resulted in a touchdown." Now, the pass was thrown through the air. But was the pass also thrown by the air? Well no, that's a perfectly ridiculous thought, right? It went by air, but was not thrown by air. Surely you see.

Grace and peace to you.

How predictable, I knew your only course was to attack those Bible versions.

-Whew!

 

[PinSeeker]

How predictable, I knew your only course was to attack those Bible versions.

Like I said, it's not really the versions that are the problem. People are still the problem. :) And your lacking-in-substance response was... well, as expected.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[user]

Like I said, it's not really the versions that are the problem. People are still the problem.

People are your problem because they disagree with your flawed interpretation.

The Bible versions plainly state, "eight souls were saved by water". (KJV) (DRB) (ISV) (SLT) (CPDV) (WBT) (GWT)


And, the Bible continues on with...

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Romans 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

 

[Truther]

Well, half-right, which seems to be a recurring pattern. But yes, just as fire in the Bible (and other places, too) is not always literal fire, so to is water not always indicative of literal water (H2O). As for the second half of this... well, remark... simplicity is not the issue; rather it is your seeing things in an overly simplistic way. Yes, the Bible is not hard to understand, so in that sense, what God says is at least fairly simple. It is not, however, simplistic.


Here too is part of the issue, but really the same issue (simplistic understanding). The presence of the conjunction ('and') does not necessarily indicate one thing on one side of the and and another entirely different thing on the other. In many cases, it's all one thing... in the case of John 3:5, the work of the Spirit in conferring new birth within the person, which is Jesus's entire context in that passage.


Again, two very different things. They're very closely related, but very different. One (Mark 16) is referring to the baptism not of men and literal water, but by the Spirit ~ birth of water and the Spirit. The other (Acts 2:38) is quite the opposite.

Again, simple, yes, but not simplistic.

Grace and peace to you.

You think Jesus said this?...

16 He that believeth and is baptized WITH THE HOLY GHOST shall be saved; but he that believeth not AND IS NOT BAPTIZED WITH THE HOLY GHOST shall be damned.

Does this also apply to the same commission found in Matt 28:19?...

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them WITH THE HOLY GHOST in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

 

[user]

You think Jesus said this?...

16 He that believeth and is baptized WITH THE HOLY GHOST shall be saved; but he that believeth not AND IS NOT BAPTIZED WITH THE HOLY GHOST shall be damned.

Does this also apply to the same commission found in Matt 28:19?...

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them WITH THE HOLY GHOST in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

LOL

 

[Truther]

Since being Baptized in the name of "Jesus Only" has nothing to do with being Born again, and becoming a Christian, then obviously there's a PROBLEM with your Paradigm about it. Surprised you never heard of R.E. McAlister, since it's His false teaching you're parroting. He went on to teach that if you haven't "Spoken in Tongues" you ain't Saved at all, magic baptism not withstanding.

Simple as that. Believe whatever you please

I don't do commentary, Bob.

I do Acts 2:38 straight from the Bible.

I need no teacher to understand how the 3000 were saved at Pentecost.

I think the problem stems from reading bad material, not scripture.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

I think the problem stems from reading bad material, not scripture.

OR: problem reading the Scriptures without following
ALL of the Bible study Rules, eh?

GRACE And Peace!

 

[user]

I don't do commentary, Bob.

I do Acts 2:38 straight from the Bible.

I need no teacher to understand how the 3000 were saved at Pentecost.

I think the problem stems from reading bad material, not scripture.

They need to lay aside those writings, cannons and commentary and get back into the Bible.

 

[Truther]

OR: problem reading the Scriptures without following
ALL of the Bible study Rules, eh?

GRACE And Peace!

Like I said...

The Bible was put together in a specific order for us to pick up, read and understand without commentary.

The 4 gospels...for sinners to believe in Jesus Christ.

Acts...to instruct believing sinners how to be saved.

Romans-Rev. ...instructions on how to remain saved.

Goofy PHD's louse this easy to read Bible up for cash.

 

[Truther]

They need to lay aside those writings, cannons and commentary and get back into the Bible.

Thank you.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

I don't do commentary, Bob.

I do Acts 2:38 straight from the Bible.

I need no teacher to understand how the 3000 were saved at Pentecost.

I think the problem stems from reading bad material, not scripture.

SO then, obviously (since the wrong words were spoken by the pastor at my baptism), I've never actually BEEN a Christian, my entire life and my walk with HIM is a pathetic sham, and I'm HELLBOUND in the near future when I croak.

Shortly, I'll discover whether you're accurate or not.

 

[PinSeeker]

People are your problem because they disagree with your flawed interpretation.

Whether anybody disagrees with me or not is irrelevant. So no, people are the "problem" ~ which is not to say that some people are problems and others are not, but rather that the problem is that people tend to lean on their own understanding, which God, in Proverbs, specifically warns us not to do.

And this is the case in point, very succinctly:

The Bible versions plainly state, "eight souls were saved by water". (KJV) (DRB) (ISV) (SLT) (CPDV) (WBT) (GWT)

And, the Bible continues on with...

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Romans 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

You are misinterpreting 1 Peter 3:20 specifically, and in addition to that are conflating two very different things: (1) what Peter is talking about in 1 Peter 3:20, and Mark in Mark 16:16, and Paul in Romans 6:4, and (2) what Peter is saying to his hearers (as related by Luke) in Acts 2:38. And you're not alone in doing this. :)

Yeah, yeah, yeah... I get it: you (and others here) think I'm the one misinterpreting. That's fine with me; we should be able to chalk it up to disagreement and subsequently agree to disagree, and as a result leave it there. No need for hostility ~ and certainly no need for any resentment ~ of any kind. Can we not do that?

Grace and peace to you.

 

[user]

Whether anybody disagrees with me or not is irrelevant. So no, people are the "problem" ~ which is not to say that some people are problems and others are not, but rather that the problem is that people tend to lean on their own understanding, which God, in Proverbs, specifically warns us not to do.

And this is the case in point, very succinctly:

You are misinterpreting 1 Peter 3:20 specifically, and in addition to that are conflating two very different things: (1) what Peter is talking about in 1 Peter 3:20, and Mark in Mark 16:16, and Paul in Romans 6:4, and (2) what Peter is saying to his hearers (as related by Luke) in Acts 2:38. And you're not alone in doing this. :)

Yeah, yeah, yeah... I get it: you (and others here) think I'm the one misinterpreting. That's fine with me; we should be able to chalk it up to disagreement and subsequently agree to disagree, and as a result leave it there. No need for hostility ~ and certainly no need for any resentment ~ of any kind. Can we not do that?

Grace and peace to you

I haven't misinterpreted anything, I simply gave you scripture which states "eight souls were saved by water". Of which, you claimed did not exist. You were proven wrong.

Now as far as those other scriptures, if you believe they are not water, then by all means grab a shovel and start digging.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

and Paul in Romans 6:4,

Now as far as those other scriptures, if you believe they are not water, then by all means grab a shovel and start digging.

I'll never forget, my [physical] brother and I once got invited to discuss "church
of Christ" doctrines. When we got to Romans 6:3-5, my brother asked "where
is the water In That Context?" An elder in the group must have gotten angry
with that [stupid? question], as his necked turned beet red, and he Almost
shouted at us:

"It must Be INFERRED!" We knew "it WAS TIME for us" to depart the meeting.

God Only Has ONE Baptism, For us, today, Under His Pure GRACE.

GRACE And Peace...

 

[PinSeeker]

The Bible was put together in a specific order for us to pick up, read and understand without commentary.

I agree with you that the Bible was put together in a specific order. But Truther, knowledge and teaching are both spiritual gifts, given by God through His Spirit, as He wills. We see this clearly in what Paul says:

"For as in one body we have many members, and the members do not all have the same function, so we, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another. Having gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, in proportion to our faith; if service, in our serving; the one who teaches, in his teaching; the one who exhorts, in his exhortation; the one who contributes, in generosity; the one who leads, with zeal; the one who does acts of mercy, with cheerfulness." (Romans 12:4-8)

"To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. For to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, Who apportions to each one individually as He wills." (1 Corinthians 12:7-11, emphasis added)

If by "commentary" you mean teaching or even assistance in interpreting scriptural passages ~ that is the implication, whether you actually mean that or not ~ then that too is in error. God gave us spiritual gifts ~ gifts of His Spirit ~ because, among other things, we need them. They are ~ according to Paul, but as we all know (or should) is actually God-breathed, along with the rest of scripture (2 Timothy 3:16-17) ~ for the common good (1 Corinthians 12) and we are to use them (Romans 12). :)

Grace and peace to you.

 

[PinSeeker]

I haven't misinterpreted anything...

So you think. I think... differently. Like I say, we can agree to disagree.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Truther]

SO then, obviously (since the wrong words were spoken by the pastor at my baptism), I've never actually BEEN a Christian, my entire life and my walk with HIM is a pathetic sham, and I'm HELLBOUND in the near future when I croak.

Shortly, I'll discover whether you're accurate or not.

Bob, you must be re-baptized properly in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins just like the 3000 folks of various ages and presupposed beliefs were at Pentecost.

Are you better than the 3000?

If you have not been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ I insist you do it.

Don't let your pride get in the way.

I would do it immediately if I realized I needed it.

 

[Truther]

I agree with you that the Bible was put together in a specific order. But Truther, knowledge and teaching are both spiritual gifts, given by God through His Spirit, as He wills. We see this clearly in what Paul says:

"For as in one body we have many members, and the members do not all have the same function, so we, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another. Having gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, in proportion to our faith; if service, in our serving; the one who teaches, in his teaching; the one who exhorts, in his exhortation; the one who contributes, in generosity; the one who leads, with zeal; the one who does acts of mercy, with cheerfulness." (Romans 12:4-8)

"To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. For to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, Who apportions to each one individually as He wills." (1 Corinthians 12:7-11, emphasis added)

If by "commentary" you mean teaching or even assistance in interpreting scriptural passages ~ that is the implication, whether you actually mean that or not ~ then that too is in error. God gave us spiritual gifts ~ gifts of His Spirit ~ because, among other things, we need them. They are ~ according to Paul, but as we all know (or should) is actually God-breathed, along with the rest of scripture (2 Timothy 3:16-17) ~ for the common good (1 Corinthians 12) and we are to use them (Romans 12). :)

Grace and peace to you.

To further explain...

Anyone can understand the gospel books(1st 4 books).

Whether or not we obey the book of Acts(5th book) hinges on whether or not we comprehend the Epistles(next 22 books).

Acts skippers are dumbfounded by the Epistles.

They become diverse kinds of cessationists by skipping Acts.

They must obey Acts 2:38 etc, to have the same doctrines and experience of the church that the Epistles were written to originally.

If not, they spend the rest of their life in disagreement with Acts and the rest of the 1st century church.

These are AKA modern Acts skippers.