Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

[Ronald David Bruno]

Then when he dies he will have to praise God for all eternity against his will.

You have a fragile view of salvation.
If your faith is based on your "free will", or your "works, it is not Grace but more legalistic. Grace is unmerited favor.
The creation of the new creature is spiritual. Man is drawn by God and enabled to believe. Left to himself man cannot freely enter into a relationship with God unless God lifts his veil of blindness so that he can see.
Once be can see, (hears and/or reads the Word) he becomes convinced and in agreement with God and begins to develop a relationship.
You are giving example of people who weren't really convinced, had doubts all along, they really did not believe. Some have weak faith, backslide for a time, then come back. This man you are talking about has a rebellious mindset - not possible for someone who has been born again. He went along wiyh the program for awhile and remained sulent about his many doubts. Something happenned, a dearh of a loved one, lkss if someking and he blamed God. This is common, people blame God fir misfortunes, losses. I guess they think everything is supposed to be without failure or tragedies. Bad things happen to Christians too. We are tested and need to be. Abraham was. Job was. Do we think our relationship with God majes us immune to evil or calamities?
Still, you don't know what will happen just prior to this man's death. When people come close to death, God usually gets their attention, they lose all the fight and rebelliousness pretty quick. They are emptied, bankrupt and humbled. Arrogance and pride disappear and his "free will" has no value because it cannot resist death ... and then they reach out to God. Not everyone does, but those whom God has chosen will call out to him in humility. Free will is not so free when you are close to death. The wages of sin is dearh and unless we are really saved we are slaves to sin and then death and the judgment.
Faith is a permanent gift, an inheritance too. Love never fails and so this gift of salvation is never reneged. It is a OSAS gift. A promise!
He empowers me to abide in Him.
The gift of eternal life is not an open door to sin it up as you please. Belief means you agree to put His yoke around your neck, go where He leads you and do what Jesus says. We practice, we walk and we focus on HIS WAY, not ours.
We focus on things above but not all the time because we still live in the world. The Bible continuosly reminds us to abide in Him because He knows we will often fail, drift, get wrapped up in worldly things, backslide into our old ways ...
My Pastor used to say that we will fall again and again, but we need to get up and move forward. We go off the path and so are prompted to get back on. We get down and discouraged usually because we are not focusing on things above. So the Bible tells us "encourage one another" 40 times. If our walk was automatically geared to holiness, we would need no repeated instruction, reminders or encouragement at all. We would get saved and change automatically into pure and holy persons. It doesn't work that way because we still have "sarx" until we die. The spirit wars against the flesh and vice versa. It is a daily battle that gets easier over time.
That said, the fear of God is the beginning of knowledge and wisdom. So we know if we sin, that there are consequences for us and others. We know that in this life He chastises those He loves. That means punishment and it could be severe, so we don't push the envelope and test Him in fear that we will suffer for it. It is not a perminent judgment though, it is a chastisement and I have gotten plenty. Our parents use to use that threat that if we did something wrong , God would punish us. And when we did and suffered for it, they would say, "God punished you for that."
I know the consequences of sin and I know that whatever I sow, that I will reap. If you sow good things, you reap good things; if you sow evil, you will get it back. I know that and I fear that.

 

[Christ4Me]

Question:

Was Romans 10 written to sinners or saints?

Pick one.

One hint before you answer....

7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

To saints to remind them how we were saved by the preaching of the gospel for when we had first believed for how God save those who believe. Like it or not, Romans 10 ties in with 1 Corinthians 1:17-21

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Are you saying the Holy Ghost remits sins instead of being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins per Acts 2:38?

Are you so confused? Do you not know that Jesus died for your sins and rose on the third day and that by His blood we are cleansed? Do you believe that? I do. And I believe that my faith is a gift, an irrevocable gift and promise . If you don't, that is your problem.

 

[Titus]

There are multiple healthy, well balanced churches which hold to essential Christian doctrine that you could attend, yet sadly, there are also multiple false religions and cults who do not hold to essential Christian doctrine and pervert the gospel.

Answers for Church of Christ beliefs

Church of Christ - Faith Facts - Faith Facts

The name of the church I attend is Abundant Life which is a non-denominational evangelical church.

Danthemailman, I do not get satisfaction from calling out your sin.
I am doing this to open your eyes to your deceitful manipulative debating practices.

You Lied to me, Danthemailman!

Who said I was a Baptist? I actually attend a non-denominational church

You implied you were not in the Baptist sect. You intentionally mislead me. We both know why!

You know the Baptist church is not the church in the new testament.
That is why you are ashamed to tell me you are a Baptist.

I looked up your Abundant Life Church. You intentionally left off one key word!

Abundant Life BAPTIST Church,
Mid Atlantic Conservative Baptist Association

Man up! Admit you are a Baptist, Repent Dan.

John the Baptist HAS NO CHURCH!
You are the guilty one! You are not in the Lords Church, Romans 16:16

How can you say the church bears no name?
The founder of the church is its identity.
The founder is the builder
The founder is the Head of His church.

Matthew 16:18-19

The church has been named, Ephesians 3:15
From whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named.

The church belongs to Christ and thus wears the name of Christ,
He built it,.
He is the head, Ephesians 5:23
For the husband is head of the wife as also CHRIST is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.

He purchased it with His blood, Acts 20:28.

This is why it is identified as the church of Christ by Paul, Romans 16:16.
Why not just call the church what it is?

As the bride of Christ, the church wears the name of Christ,
2Corinthians 11:2
For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

Ephesians 5:24-32
Therefore just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their husbands in everything.
Husbands love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her.

Peter taught that salvation is in a name,
Acts 4:12
Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.

Christ is the only name by which we are saved.
His church is the church of Christ.

Since only the saved are IN Christ's body, which is His church.
You are not in the body of Christ.
Therefore you are not IN Christ where all the saved are.
Ephesians 5:23
For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church: and He is the SAVIOR OF THE BODY.

Do I have to be in your church to be saved Dan. You already told me NO.
You are in a church that is non-essential to being saved IN Christ. Therefore not necessary.
Sad to be married to the wrong Bridegroom.

 

[Truther]

You have a fragile view of salvation.
If your faith is based on your "free will", or your "works, it is not Grace but more legalistic. Grace is unmerited favor.
The creation of the new creature is spiritual. Man is drawn by God and enabled to believe. Left to himself man cannot freely enter into a relationship with God unless God lifts his veil of blindness so that he can see.
Once be can see, (hears and/or reads the Word) he becomes convinced and in agreement with God and begins to develop a relationship.
You are giving example of people who weren't really convinced, had doubts all along, they really did not believe. Some have weak faith, backslide for a time, then come back. This man you are talking about has a rebellious mindset - not possible for someone who has been born again. He went along wiyh the program for awhile and remained sulent about his many doubts. Something happenned, a dearh of a loved one, lkss if someking and he blamed God. This is common, people blame God fir misfortunes, losses. I guess they think everything is supposed to be without failure or tragedies. Bad things happen to Christians too. We are tested and need to be. Abraham was. Job was. Do we think our relationship with God majes us immune to evil or calamities?
Still, you don't know what will happen just prior to this man's death. When people come close to death, God usually gets their attention, they lose all the fight and rebelliousness pretty quick. They are emptied, bankrupt and humbled. Arrogance and pride disappear and his "free will" has no value because it cannot resist death ... and then they reach out to God. Not everyone does, but those whom God has chosen will call out to him in humility. Free will is not so free when you are close to death. The wages of sin is dearh and unless we are really saved we are slaves to sin and then death and the judgment.
Faith is a permanent gift, an inheritance too. Love never fails and so this gift of salvation is never reneged. It is a OSAS gift. A promise!
He empowers me to abide in Him.
The gift of eternal life is not an open door to sin it up as you please. Belief means you agree to put His yoke around your neck, go where He leads you and do what Jesus says. We practice, we walk and we focus on HIS WAY, not ours.
We focus on things above but not all the time because we still live in the world. The Bible continuosly reminds us to abide in Him because He knows we will often fail, drift, get wrapped up in worldly things, backslide into our old ways ...
My Pastor used to say that we will fall again and again, but we need to get up and move forward. We go off the path and so are prompted to get back on. We get down and discouraged usually because we are not focusing on things above. So the Bible tells us "encourage one another" 40 times. If our walk was automatically geared to holiness, we would need no repeated instruction, reminders or encouragement at all. We would get saved and change automatically into pure and holy persons. It doesn't work that way because we still have "sarx" until we die. The spirit wars against the flesh and vice versa. It is a daily battle that gets easier over time.
That said, the fear of God is the beginning of knowledge and wisdom. So we know if we sin, that there are consequences for us and others. We know that in this life He chastises those He loves. That means punishment and it could be severe, so we don't push the envelope and test Him in fear that we will suffer for it. It is not a perminent judgment though, it is a chastisement and I have gotten plenty. Our parents use to use that threat that if we did something wrong , God would punish us. And when we did and suffered for it, they would say, "God punished you for that."
I know the consequences of sin and I know that whatever I sow, that I will reap. If you sow good things, you reap good things; if you sow evil, you will get it back. I know that and I fear that.

Ronald, is confessing Jesus a physical work?

 

[Truther]

To saints to remind them how we were saved by the preaching of the gospel for when we had first believed for how God save those who believe. Like it or not, Romans 10 ties in with 1 Corinthians 1:17-21

Wrong, Romans 10 was written to affirm the faith of the saints, not debunk Acts 2:38.

Learn how to rightly divide the word, not unrightly subtract it.

 

[Truther]

Are you so confused? Do you not know that Jesus died for your sins and rose on the third day and that by His blood we are cleansed? Do you believe that? I do. And I believe that my faith is a gift, an irrevocable gift and promise . If you don't, that is your problem.

All I am saying is obeying Acts 2:38 is the way to get to the blood of Christ.

Not, an alternative, modern easy believe-ism that omits it.

 

[Titus]

Ronald, is confessing Jesus a physical work?

Ronald David Bruno said saved Christians cannot become unbelievers.
He does not want to admit they do,
Hebrews 3:12

 

[Titus]

more nonsense from you. You cant lose salvation. If you fall from faith, you were never saved to begin with.

Never saved to begin with? The writer of Hebrews teaches the opposite of what you teach.
Who should I believe? You or the Holy Spirit guided author of Hebrews 3:12

 

[Titus]

I am saying the church was never given a legal name as we see them today.

It was defined only by the Acts 2(38) doctrine and experience.

It does not matter if someone today joins the "Gloryland, Jesus, Holy Saints of heavenly places, hallelujah angel band etc church".

They might as well call themselves the Bullfrog church if they have not yet obeyed Acts 2:38.

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So the identity, Name of His church is inconsequential?
Can I be IN the church of Joseph Mormon Smith if they teach the true gospel of Christ?

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Never saved to begin with? The writer of Hebrews teaches the opposite of what you teach.
Who should I believe? You or the Holy Spirit guided author of Hebrews 3:12

the writer, Paul, never said that. The idea that you could lose something that you never earned in the first place is ludicrous.

 

[Christ4Me]

Wrong, Romans 10 was written to affirm the faith of the saints, not debunk Acts 2:38.

Learn how to rightly divide the word, not unrightly subtract it.

Romans 10 was written not to debunk Acts 2:38 but to rightly divide the word of truth in Acts 2:38 that it is by believing in Him thereby repenting from unbelief, is how the Jews that had crucified the Lord Jesus Christ got that remission for sins.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

So according to you, how is one saved?

we are saved by; grace alone, faith alone, through Jesus alone.
Here is a helpful link.
By Grace Alone Through Faith Alone | Reformed Bible Studies & Devotionals at Ligonier.org | Reformed Bible Studies & Devotionals at Ligonier.org

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Danthemailman, I do not get satisfaction from calling out your sin.
I am doing this to open your eyes to your deceitful manipulative debating practices.

You Lied to me, Danthemailman!



You implied you were not in the Baptist sect. You intentionally mislead me. We both know why!

You know the Baptist church is not the church in the new testament.
That is why you are ashamed to tell me you are a Baptist.

I looked up your Abundant Life Church. You intentionally left off one key word!

Abundant Life BAPTIST Church,
Mid Atlantic Conservative Baptist Association

Man up! Admit you are a Baptist, Repent Dan.

John the Baptist HAS NO CHURCH!
You are the guilty one! You are not in the Lords Church, Romans 16:16

How can you say the church bears no name?
The founder of the church is its identity.
The founder is the builder
The founder is the Head of His church.

Matthew 16:18-19

The church has been named, Ephesians 3:15
From whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named.

The church belongs to Christ and thus wears the name of Christ,
He built it,.
He is the head, Ephesians 5:23
For the husband is head of the wife as also CHRIST is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.

He purchased it with His blood, Acts 20:28.

This is why it is identified as the church of Christ by Paul, Romans 16:16.
Why not just call the church what it is?

As the bride of Christ, the church wears the name of Christ,
2Corinthians 11:2
For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

Ephesians 5:24-32
Therefore just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their husbands in everything.
Husbands love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her.

Peter taught that salvation is in a name,
Acts 4:12
Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.

Christ is the only name by which we are saved.
His church is the church of Christ.

Since only the saved are IN Christ's body, which is His church.
You are not in the body of Christ.
Therefore you are not IN Christ where all the saved are.
Ephesians 5:23
For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church: and He is the SAVIOR OF THE BODY.

Do I have to be in your church to be saved Dan. You already told me NO.
You are in a church that is non-essential to being saved IN Christ. Therefore not necessary.
Sad to be married to the wrong Bridegroom.

nothing wrong with being a baptist, even though they took our confessionals for themselves. “Our” being us presbyterians. Little difference really between baptists and presbyterians, they are still fellow calvinists.

 

[Titus]

nothing wrong with being a baptist, even though they took our confessionals for themselves. “Our” being us presbyterians. Little difference really between baptists and presbyterians, they are still fellow calvinists.

Except many Baptist denounce calvinism. You think there is Holy Spirit Inspired Word outside of the Revelation of God i.e. Holy Bible.

Also do you think it is ok for Danthemailman to decieve me?

 

[user]

we are saved by; grace alone, faith alone, through Jesus alone.

Are you saying that you are saved by simply believing in Jesus, and nothing else?
Are these pages torn from your Bible...

Luke 13:3I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved...

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Colossians 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

 

[Titus]

we are saved by; grace alone, faith alone, through Jesus alone.
Here is a helpful link.
By Grace Alone Through Faith Alone | Reformed Bible Studies & Devotionals at Ligonier.org | Reformed Bible Studies & Devotionals at Ligonier.org

It cannot be faith alone, if it is also Grace alone.
We are not saved by faith only. We are saved by Gods grace and our working faith says Paul, Galatians 5:6

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Except many Baptist denounce calvinism. You think there is Holy Spirit Inspired Word outside of the Revelation of God i.e. Holy Bible.

Also do you think it is ok for Danthemailman to decieve me?

LOL!!! I have NEVER, ever, ever met a baptist who denied calvinism. Their 1689 confessional is almost identical to our 1647 confessional. You keep talking about dan lying, when you just lied to me about baptists denouncing calvinism. You’re a fraud, and everyone sees that.

 

[Titus]

LOL!!! I have NEVER, ever, ever met a baptist who denied calvinism. Their 1689 confessional is almost identical to our 1647 confessional. You keep talking about dan lying, when you just lied to me about baptists denouncing calvinism. You’re a fraud, and everyone sees that.

Hyper grace Jacksmack77 youtube channel. A Baptist free grace church that teaches calvinism will send you You to hell. Are you aware there a bedozen different sects in the Baptist religion? Look up Grace Evangelical Society. I'm not lying Danthemailman is lying.

Also some of the Independent fundamental Baptist churches are anti calvinism.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Are you saying that you are saved by simply believing in Jesus, and nothing else?
Are these pages torn from your Bible...

Luke 13:3I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved...

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Colossians 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

clearly what i wrote wasnt simple enough. Lets see if this is any simpler.
“It should have been clear from reading Ephesians 2:1–7 that the Lord owes us nothing but justice and wrath. (Moreover, this is taught throughout the Bible: Gen. 6:5–7; Deut. 7:6–11; Ps. 51:4; Rom. 1:18–3:20; James 2:10–11). But in case we missed it, Paul in Ephesians 2:8–10 tells us one more time that we bring nothing with us to our redemption, and that any good works we perform are not the ground of our status before God but result from us having been chosen and gifted with salvation: “By grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God” (Eph. 2:8). Grace, by definition, excludes the slightest hint that human merit contributes to our righteous standing before the most holy and perfect Creator, and faith, which admits our inability to help ourselves and rests wholly on another for salvation, confirms that our works have no power to atone for our wickedness. John Calvin writes, “If, on the part of God, it is grace alone, and if we bring nothing but faith, which strips us of all commendations, it follows that salvation does not come from us.”
“faith is something that we exercise, and so some Christians think we bring this to the table when we are saved. They think we work faith up in ourselves and that all people are born with the ability to do so. Ephesians 2:8 makes this view impossible. The grammatical gender of the demonstrative “this” in “this is not your own doing” must refer back to the entire complex of things Paul mentions in the verse — salvation, grace, and faith. It is true that we are the ones who put our faith in Christ, but God gives us this faith and guarantees that we will exercise it unto salvation. If the Holy Spirit changes our hearts, we will not refuse the call to trust in Christ.”

clear enough?? No?? This is where the I in tulip comes in. Irresistible grace. “The doctrine of irresistible grace is quite simple — if God wants us, then He will get us. Though He may allow us to resist His call for a time, if He has chosen to set His grace on us, then we will certainly believe and persevere, for all whom the Father has given to Jesus must come to the Savior (John 6:37). We cannot even give ourselves credit for our faith, so let us be thankful for His grace and live in the way that He commands.”

all those chosen/predestined by God to be saved, WILL be saved. It can be no other way.

 

[Titus]

clearly what i wrote wasnt simple enough. Lets see if this is any simpler.
“It should have been clear from reading Ephesians 2:1–7 that the Lord owes us nothing but justice and wrath. (Moreover, this is taught throughout the Bible: Gen. 6:5–7; Deut. 7:6–11; Ps. 51:4; Rom. 1:18–3:20; James 2:10–11). But in case we missed it, Paul in Ephesians 2:8–10 tells us one more time that we bring nothing with us to our redemption, and that any good works we perform are not the ground of our status before God but result from us having been chosen and gifted with salvation: “By grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God” (Eph. 2:8). Grace, by definition, excludes the slightest hint that human merit contributes to our righteous standing before the most holy and perfect Creator, and faith, which admits our inability to help ourselves and rests wholly on another for salvation, confirms that our works have no power to atone for our wickedness. John Calvin writes, “If, on the part of God, it is grace alone, and if we bring nothing but faith, which strips us of all commendations, it follows that salvation does not come from us.”
“faith is something that we exercise, and so some Christians think we bring this to the table when we are saved. They think we work faith up in ourselves and that all people are born with the ability to do so. Ephesians 2:8 makes this view impossible. The grammatical gender of the demonstrative “this” in “this is not your own doing” must refer back to the entire complex of things Paul mentions in the verse — salvation, grace, and faith. It is true that we are the ones who put our faith in Christ, but God gives us this faith and guarantees that we will exercise it unto salvation. If the Holy Spirit changes our hearts, we will not refuse the call to trust in Christ.”

clear enough?? No?? This is where the I in tulip comes in. Irresistible grace. “The doctrine of irresistible grace is quite simple — if God wants us, then He will get us. Though He may allow us to resist His call for a time, if He has chosen to set His grace on us, then we will certainly believe and persevere, for all whom the Father has given to Jesus must come to the Savior (John 6:37). We cannot even give ourselves credit for our faith, so let us be thankful for His grace and live in the way that He commands.”

all those chosen/predestined by God to be saved, WILL be saved. It can be no other way.

Are you going to apologize for attacking my reputation and calling me a liar?