Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

[Ronald David Bruno]

Water baptism does save....

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


No?

Fact is, the Holy Ghost leads folks to salvation per the above verses, not trumps them.

Baptism into the "name" of the Father and of the Sin and if the Hily Spirit.
It means beung immersed into God.
We are in Christ - not in water. The water is symbolic for washing away sins, a spiritual cleansing. It is a spiritual cleansing. Baptism by the Holy Spirit immerses us into a relationship with God. Water does not do that. Even John's water baptism was a preparation, to get people in that mindset for something greater, Jesus baptism of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Phoneman777]

The difference here is what we are believing in Him or believing Him about rests on. Salvation which is without works so we can say He has saved us and that Jesus Christ is the Good News to man?

Or are we confusing discipleship with salvation as if we are to believe in Him as our Good Shepherd to help us to follow Him thus placing that belief on us by doing works to prove we are saved? Discipleship proves we are abiding in Him & His words in being fruitful as His disciples; and these be the ones we should feel free to have fellowship with whereas those who do not follow Him are the ones we are to correct, and if unrepentant, then shun.

Paul addressed the falling away from the faith in the latter days as that was to happen first before He appears for the gathering ( the rapture ) in 2 Thessalonians 3:1-3 as that was to happen first before the great tribulation and that son of perdition event.

Paul said that this iniquity was happening even in his day per 2 Thessalonians 2:7 before mentioning that son of perdition in verse 8 before jumping back to describing what that iniquity was; saved believers believing the lie that they can receive the Holy Spirit again apart from salvation after a sign. Thus what was taken out of the way, the restraining part of the Holy Spirit in verse 7 and be discern with Him and applied as for why & how God would permit the strong delusion to occur for when saved believers believe that lie.

We can know that is the iniquity spoken of when in 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15 Paul reminds them of the tradition taught of us of when we had received the sanctification of the Spirit and the belief of the truth at the calling of the gospel which exposes the lie of thinking they can receive the Holy Spirit again apart from salvation.

So Paul goes on to address those disorderly believers that departed from faith and that no longer walk after the traditions taught of us in how with the Lord's help as in touching us, we are commanded by the Lord to withdraw from them per 2 Thessalonians 3:1-7 and yet we are to do so, not to treat them as the enemy, but admonish them as brothers still because they are still His and thus still saved; 2 Thessalonians 3:14-15

One may see with His help how the parable of the ten virgins apply to them for being out to the market seeking to be filled with oil ( Holy Spirit ) was why they were not ready but yet the foolish were still part of that kingdom of heaven, even though they were denied the wedding receptions for not being ready because they were in that iniquity that denied Him as always being Spirit filled since salvation. Matthew 9:17 & John 6:35

Anyway, as you may see, we cannot judge anyone as not a true believer when they have been bought & sealed as His.

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

There is a danger of denying Him by how we judge others when the Lord had bought them even though that can also be done by heresy too.

2 Peter 2:1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

We can mark false teachers to warn others by, but not judged them as unsaved or not a true believer.

A concise summation of the issue is found in 1 John 2:3-4 KJV:

"Hereby we do know that we know Him if we keep His commandments. He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments is a liar and the Truth (Jesus) is not in him."

So, if we believe "in" Jesus, we'll also believe "all said" by Jesus, including "whatsoever I have commanded you".

 

[Phoneman777]

Typo I guess, but you meant Romans 2:4 but in context, after having been saved, we are led to live a life of repentance as His disciples which is what running that race is all about by looking to Him to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily ( Hebrews 12:1-2 ) & not be a hypocrite by not repenting at all when teaching or correcting others to repent.

Romans 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. 2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. 3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

The beginning of verse 4 testifies that the hypocrites are saved but despising what was done in having saved them.

Those who partake of the firstfruits of the resurrection will be like the angels that never die and never marry, vessels of gold & silver, while the vessels unto dishonor are the vessels of wood & earth that the power of the second death will not be over them which means the first death still isas they will marry and raise up the generations in serving the King of kings during the 1000 year reign from all over the world as they will need to eat from the tree of life in that city of God on earth for the healing of the nations.

When you consider how God will judge others by what was built on that foundation as any heresy that denies Him, ( Titus 1:16 ) is defiling the temple of God for why He will destroy that temple with physical death.

1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. 16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

So the warning in Romans 2:5-11 to believers, Jews and Gentiles, are the same as they can be left behind to die, tying in with that church at Revelation 2:18-26 but their spirits will be with the Lord awaiting for the resurrection after the great tribulation, not as vessels unto honor, vessels of gold & silver, but vessels unto dishonor for not departing from iniquity, vessels of wood & earth but still In His House. 2 Timothy 2:18-21

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) 8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

So discipleship is separate from salvation just as running that race is not for salvation but the high prize of our calling to be that vessel unto honor in His House, the vessels of good and silver that are like the angels that never die and never marry which is the eternal glory that comes with our salvation in Christ Jesus. If we run that race to obtain salvation by, then we deny Him as our Savior when we are saved, thus denying the Lord when He has bought us.

yes, that was a typo, thanks.

 

[Truther]

I'm a "Textus Receptus Only" Christian LOL I have ZERO faith in the Alexandrian or the Western MSS families: can we trust anything that came out of Alexandria, the very capital of satanic occultism itself, or the Western (Roman Catholic) family where after 2,000 years, Catholicism still can't even get right the most fundamental of all Christian doctrines - salvation by grace through faith alone?

BTW, it may come as a shock to you, but you are guilty of hatred for your brother which is murder, "and ye know no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him". How so?

Because Leviticus 19:17 KJV says if we fail to rebuke our brothers of their sin, WE HATE THEM. If you care about me at all, you'll slap me upside the head if I begin to backslide, right or wrong?

Right.
This is why I exhort my fellow humans to obey Acts 2:38.
Those that don’t care tell us “don’t worry about it “.

I care more than the phony pastors or priests

 

[Phoneman777]

The beginning of verse 4 testifies that the hypocrites are saved but despising what was done in having saved them.

Whoa! Hypocrites are saved? Not so. God leads us to repentance, but I don't buy into Calvinist thinking which says God both leads us to and then does the repenting for us - it's our job to choose to repent. These "hypocrites" are lost, who "after thy hardness and impenitent heart" are destined for "indignation and wrath".

 

[Phoneman777]

Right.
This is why I exhort my fellow humans to obey Acts 2:38.
Those that don’t care tell us “don’t worry about it “.

I care more than the phony pastors or priests

How do you identify which humans need to be told about Acts 2:38 KJV?

 

[Christ4Me]

Here is your Acts 2:38 buster show exposed...


38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost....

47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord....


No long theological explanations.

No denial.

Just simply harmonizing the passages.

Try it.

That would mean 2 gospels, one for the Jews in how they got the remission of sins by water baptism and one for the Gentiles for how they got the remission of sins just by believing in Him with nary a mention of water baptism for that effect for the remission of sins.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

So you are not actually harmonizing scripture since there is only one gospel.

 

[JohnPaul]

Did you repent first per Acts 2:38?

If not, you were involuntarily, unscripturally sprayed with your first shower.

Obey Acts 2:38 like the 3000 at Pentecost did and denounce the RCC.

I have denounced the Catholic Church, but I'm still baptized, you only need be baptized once
even if you change denominations.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Me too. It means the Just Man who doesn't cover his sins, but confesses and forsakes them is covered by God's mercy. As he treads the Path of the Just, he may slip and fall into sin, but cries out for God's mercy to reach down and lift him up and place him back on the path.

The Presumptuous Man climbs down, gets comfortable, swats away Jesus' hand, and waves his OSAS License to Sin in his face. He covers his habitual, known sin with presumption, and will split hell wide open.

Again, your definition of a presumptuos man, one who practices sinful behavior, is not saved.
Yes, an infant Christian can get puffed up, point his holy finger at everyone else while he fails to look at himself in the mirror and take the log out of his eye first before trying to remove the speck out of his brother's eye. This is common immaturity and eventually God shows them that they are hypocrites.
And truth be told that many of us come to Christ willing to surrender most of our sins but can't seem to let go of certain ones. We hem and haw, stubbornly clinging to them. "Take everything else Lord... I got to have this one." They go about justifying it, trying to dimish the severity of it, decriminalize it, water it down ..."It's really not a big sin ... I don't do this or that ... I don't hurt people ... I'm a good person ..."
Christians compromise in the beginning and don't get completely on board. Double-mindedness occurs. Having one foot in the Bible and one door in the world is certainly not fully offering your nidy as a living sacrifice. Ask any Pastor. Does anyone become a completely pure saint from the get go? NO!
Sanctification is instant as far as salvation goes, but as far as our new spirit producing fruit in our lives and others, that takes time. Spiritual maturity takes time. GOD will teach us many lessons in life BEFORE AND AFTER WE BECOME BELIEVERS (which is sometimes the only way for us to understand life and ourselves - through experience).
I wouldn't worry about it. God will either save His elect or destroy those who aren't. He will finish the work He started in us. He will get it done so don't worry how long it's going to take with some. They might not be completely enlightened intil their death bed. Are you going to pounce on them all the while? Then what, when you see them in heaven in disbelief, you'll say, "Im sorry I didn't know what God was doing in your life." Damn right you don't know.
I am going through this with my step daughter who is forty years old.
She talks about God all the time. A fairly new believer, who thinks since Christ died for all her sins, she doesn't feel she has to examine herself, or change anything. We can't really make ourselves holy. Only God can but we must cooperate through the process. Just saying the sinners prayer, and confessing our sins in a general way to God is a start. We are opening up a channel to God, willing to begin a relationship that will transform us spiritually but as for our thoughts, emotions and behavior - that takes our cooperation. We need to be willing to look at ourselves and be honest with any sins that are there. They dwell in the members of our flesh and we must mortify our old ways, die to ourselves.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

op: anti act_2:38?
If yes, is that ANTI - BIBLE?
If no, is that Confusion/Contradiction of "faith + works" as opposed to

"GRACE Through faith, apart from ALL works"?

Causing this kind of SELF-salvation idea:

"there is mercy and grace for the just man"? Never heard of such
a thing, so, WHERE is "mercy and grace" for the UNjust man, so
the he/she Can Be Saved???

Definitely men's traditional water Confusion Reigns, as seen below:
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1) believe AND be baptized {i.e. immersion to contact their Christ's blood}?

2) immersion with a symbolic interpretation?

3) immersion ONCE in the "name of Jesus?

4) immersion THRICE in the "name of the Triune Godhead?

5) immersion {whether once or thrice} for "membership" in their traditional assembly?

6) sprinkling water on babies inducting them into religion washing away their original sin?

7) sprinkling water on babies inducting them into some covenant?

8) sprinkling water on babies inducting them into their parent's custody that they promise to raise them right? {into Mass Confusion?}

9) sprinkling water on babies, admitting that their ritual is UNscriptural, but "we do it anyway, because it is OUR tradition!"?

10) pouring water onto babies or adults for Whatever traditional reason religion "can come up with"?

11) immersion of young and middle-aged women 'similar' to worldly/ungodly 'wet t-shirt' contests?

12) immersion Discriminates Against ALL "those who CANNOT 'obey' this ritual" ie: the hospitalized, the bedridden, the homebound, the invalids, the traumatized, etc.
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God is Certainly 'NOT the author' (1 Corinthians 14:33) of all this "carnal
DIVISION" which is similar to what Paul addresses in (1 Corinthians 1:9-17),

However, one Precious friend, @Phoneman777, does call for
"harmonizing" all the opposing verses, in order to end this problem,
Correct?

So how do we find PEACE, amid all this noisy Controversy?

I believe God's Way Is Best (Rules 2 & 5 Of HIS "study" Rules).

Example continued in Part II

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Part II God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided!:

Grace And Peace, Precious friend(s). Have you Prayerfully And Carefully Considered!:

Rightly Dividing God's WORD {All Scriptures are KJB} Of Truth?

"Example" of God’s leaders/numbers / Salvation/commissions in:

His TWO Different Programs:
LORD JESUS, we pray that You Would Help our understanding, as we:

Begin:
(1) Representative apostles + number! For God’s LAW/PROPHETIC Program,
“prophesied since the world began!” (Luke_1:68-70; Acts_3:21!):

God’s Complete Number TWELVE represents:

TWELVE baptismS, TWELVE apostles who will rule in the Prophesied kingdom
With CHRIST!, on TWELVE thrones, Over the TWELVE tribes of Israel!
(Genesis_49:28; Isaiah_9:7, 32:1; Matthew_19:28; Luke_22:30; James_1:1!)

►► Peter [+11], TWELVE preached:
gospel of the kingdom!:

(A) Salvation = "he that believeth AND is baptized Shall Be SAVED!"
(Mark_16:16 cp Luke 7:29-30; Acts_2:38; James_2:17-18!) ◄◄

Luke_7:29-30, TO Israel, seems Very Plain And Clear to me:

"And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being
baptized with the baptism of John. But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected
the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him."

(B) And, TO Israel, Includes The LORD’s FIVE-Part Marching Orders, the
so-called ( added as a Page Header in Bibles ) Great Commission:

(B1):
“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in The Name
Of The Father, and Of The SON, and of The Holy Ghost: Teaching
them to Observe ALL Things Whatsoever I Have Commanded you:
and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen!”
(Matthew_28:19-20!)

Including:
“Observe ALL things WHATSOEVER I Have COMMANDED you!”:

“Then Spake JESUS To the multitude, And To HIS disciples,
Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ {Law} seat:
ALL therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that OBSERVE
AND DO; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not!”
(Matthew_23:1-3 cp Acts_21:20!)

(B2):
“And HE Said Unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the
gospel to every creature. He that believeth And is baptized shall
be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these
signs Shall Follow them that believe: In MY Name shall they cast out
devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents;

and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they
shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover…. And they went
forth, and preached every where, The LORD Working With them, and
Confirming The Word With signs following. Amen!” (Mark_16:15-20!)

(B3):
“And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in
HIS Name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are
witnesses of these things. And, behold, I Send The Promise of MY
Father Upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be
endued with power From On High!” (Luke_24:47-49!)

(B4):
“Then Said JESUS To them again, Peace Be Unto you: As MY Father
Hath Sent ME, Even So Send I you. And When HE Had Said This, HE
Breathed On them, And Saith Unto them, Receive ye The Holy Ghost:
Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and
whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained!” (John_20:21-23!)

(B5):
“But ye shall receive power, after that The Holy Ghost Is Come Upon you:
and ye shall be witnesses unto ME both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea,
and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth!” (Acts_1:8!)

End of: Salvation / Commission In God's "Law/Prophetic Program!"

From CHRIST To HIS TWELVE, on the earth! { Currently “On HOLD!” }
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Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:
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From CHRIST To HIS one, From Heaven!! { Currently ACTIVE!}

to be continued in Part III

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Part III of: God's Approval/TWO gospels in Prophecy vs Mystery!

From CHRIST To HIS TWELVE, on the earth! { Currently “On HOLD!” }
------------------------------------------------------------------
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:
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From CHRIST To HIS one, From Heaven!! { Currently ACTIVE!}

Begin:
(2) Representative apostle + number / God’s Salvation And Commission In HIS:

Revelation Of The MYSTERY

God’s Heavenly Hidden Purpose Before “the foundation
of the world...Kept Secret since the world began”
(Romans_16:25; Ephesians_1:4-11, 3:5-9!)

{ Precious friend(s), IF you have Never prayerfully/carefully studied
This Important Doctrine ( Paul’s Distinctive ministry From God! )
before, Please take some time for ”Approval Unto God!,” Please? }:

►►►
"Howbeit for this cause I obtained Mercy, That In me First JESUS CHRIST
Might Shew Forth ALL Longsuffering, For a Pattern to them which
should hereafter believe on HIM to life everlasting!” (1_Timothy_1:16!)

◄◄◄​

God's First number, ONE, Represents:

"...One body, and ONE Spirit, even as ye are called in One hope of
your calling; ONE Lord, One faith, ONE Baptism, ONE God and Father..."
(Ephesians_4:4-6!), "...ONE Mediator..." (1_Timothy_2:5!),
"...ONE New Man..." (Ephesians_2:15!), And:

Chosen By God:
ONE individual apostle, Paul, Both Roman and Hebrew
(Acts_9:6, 15, 13:2, 20:24, 22:1-15, 21, 25-28, 26:17-18; Philippians_3:5;
Romans_1:1, 11:13, 15:16-18; Galatians_1:15, 2:7-8; Ephesians_3:1;
1_Timothy_1:11, 2:7; 2_Timothy_1:11!), who represents:

Reconciliation, By GRACE (2_Corinthians_5:17-6:2!), of Both Jew And
Gentile, as Individuals, Into “ONE New Man!” (Ephesians_2:15-16!)

SPIRITUALLY Baptized ( And Spiritually United as
members of one another! ), BY: ONE Baptism!
(1_Corinthians_12:13 cp Ephesians_4:5, 5:30!), Into:

ONE Body, In HEAVEN!...

... [ By The DEADLY, But Amazingly Wonderful CROSS! ] Of CHRIST,
The Risen And Glorified SAVIOUR, The Only HEAD Of HIS Church!!
(1_Timothy_3:16; Ephesians_1:22, 5:23; Colossians_1:18!)
Praise HIS Precious NAME! Amen?

The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God!:

(A)
“For I [ Paul! ] delivered unto you first of all That Which I also received,
How That CHRIST Died For our sins According To The Scriptures;
And That HE Was Buried, And That HE Rose Again the third day
According To The Scriptures!” (1_Corinthians_15:3-4!)
+
"For By GRACE are ye SAVED Through faith; and that not of yourselves:
It Is The Gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast!"
( Ephesians_2:8-9! cp Most of Romans through Philemon! # )
{ GRACE {UNmerited Favor Of God!} Found 85 Times! }

(B) And:
The MYSTERY Includes The LORD’s Greater GRACE Commission!
=

Ministry of RECONCILIATION!

"And all things are of God, Who Hath Reconciled us To Himself By
JESUS CHRIST, And Hath Given To us the ministry of reconciliation;
to wit, That God Was In CHRIST, Reconciling the world Unto Himself,
Not Imputing their trespasses unto them; And Hath Committed Unto us

The Word Of Reconciliation!

Now then we are ambassadors for CHRIST, as though God Did Beseech
you by us: we pray you in CHRIST’s Stead, be ye reconciled to God! For
HE Hath Made HIM To Be sin For us, WHO Knew no sin; that we might Be

Made The Righteousness Of God In HIM!

We then, as workers together with HIM, beseech you also that ye receive
not The GRACE Of God in vain! (For HE Saith, I Have Heard thee in a time
accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured [helped] thee: behold,
now is the accepted time; behold, NOW IS THE DAY OF SALVATION!!)”
(2_Corinthians_5:18-6:2!) Today, simply believe The Gospel Of GRACE! {(A) above!}

(C)
The Body Of CHRIST, with "...faith that worketh by love...Fulfills All The law In That
ONE WORD: LOVE thy neighbor as thyself!" (Galatians_5:6, 14; Romans_13:8-10!)

End: God’s Salvation And Commission In HIS Revelation Of The MYSTERY!

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Concluding questions for thought(s) of Precious friend(s):

(1) IF, as some believe, the Great commission is For us, today, should we
not Also obey All That CHRIST “Commanded within That commission"?
{if necessary, please review Prophecy/LAW above, ok?}

(2) IF, as some believe, there is only one gospel, and, that Peter AND Paul Both
preached The Exact SAME thing, then why would God "Reveal A Secret," that
"He Had Already revealed {ie: The Exact SAME thing}"? Does that make sense,
Precious friend(s)?

For a few Similarities and Many Distinctions ← please go here!

"...The Mystery [Secret] of CHRIST, Which in other ages was Not made
known unto the sons of men, as it is Now Revealed Unto his holy apostles
and prophets By the Spirit;” (Ephesians_3:4-5}

(3) For 11 years as a baby In CHRIST, I was not aware of the above, only being
taught "pick and choose theology." I pray this simple lesson will challenge one or
more to Seriously Consider the question: Am I really "Approved Unto God"?

See Bible "study" Rules - here is #2:

“Study to shew thyself Approved unto God, a workman that
needeth not to be ashamed, Rightly Dividing The Word Of Truth!”
(2_Timothy_2:15 KJB!)

Precious friend(s), Please Be Very RICHLY Blessed In
CHRIST, And, in Rightly Dividing HIS Precious Word Of Truth!
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LORD JESUS, Thank You So Much for Your
GRACE, Peace, Mercy, Love, and Approval! Amen.

 

[Christ4Me]

I'm a "Textus Receptus Only" Christian LOL I have ZERO faith in the Alexandrian or the Western MSS families: can we trust anything that came out of Alexandria, the very capital of satanic occultism itself,

I am also reliant on the KJV only even though I still believe the message can be better translated in some places like Revelation 3:5 when the English was translated from a Greek word which is a double negative which means He will never remove any one's name from the Book of life and in Luke 17:37 of that Greek word "sunago" by how they were gathered with hospitality to entertain and "aetos" from which eagles was translated from which means wing-like flight.

Easter in Acts 12:4 was Tyndale's rendition of pascha which was usually left untranslated in English just as Tyndale was the first to coin passover from "pascha" in the O.T. The Germa Bible at that time also had Easter in it but even went further by defining when it applies to the lamb sacrifice as in "esterlambe".

There are 3 definitions to pascha in the scripture; the official day of the Passover which is 15 days from the new moon which involved the eating of the passover sacrifice, the lamb which is also to be eaten with unleavened bread; and then followed by the 7 days of unleavened bread where there is no eating of the lamb. In Acts 12:4 in context of a disciple being arrested during the days of the unleavened bread, it should not have ended with Easter or passover but "after the 7 days of unleavened bread" which is associated with pashca but not being the official day of passover.

I believe the KJV has the meat of His words to discern good & evil by His words and while naysayers will argue otherwise for heir version to be better, they have not actually gotten better in that regard, but in other regards where elsewhere in scripture, they have changed the truth in His words for why doubts are sown in that modern Bible and nobody can reprove false teachings because of it.

Like John 16:13 in ALL Bible versions testify that the Holy Spirit cannot speak His own words or utter anything from himself when He can only speak what He hears and yet most Bible versions has Romans 8:26-27 as if the Holy Spirit can utter groans or sighs from Himself in making these intercessions for us when supposedly praying out loud as if God's gift of tongues for speaking unto the people, can be turned around for His own use in praying for that believer which is not the truth because KJV and a few modern Bibles says not even His groanings can be uttered.

Then you have those who would use 1 Corinthians 1:17-21 of verse 18 in some modern Bibles as if we are not saved yet but in the process of "are being saved" as if Paul is testifying to his current state in believing the preaching of the cross whereas the KJV and some Bibles say we "are saved".

So thanks to Jesus Christ, I find when keeping the faith which is the good fight, I rely on the KJV for the meat of His words whereas modern Bibles in one form or another have changed the message in that Bible to sow doubts in His words that by taking it out of context, supports false teachings.

 

[Christ4Me]

or the Western (Roman Catholic) family where after 2,000 years, Catholicism still can't even get right the most fundamental of all Christian doctrines - salvation by grace through faith alone?

I believe the Catholic Church in Rome were doing it on purpose from the get go, in the spirit of covetousness in making merchandise of believers.

In the first epistle to Corinthians from Clement, supposedly the "Pope" that followed after Peter in Rome, one has to read with discernment with the Lord but the message was he was endorsing his collecting agents to the churches to give a portion from their bounties to the Main Church at Rome. It was in the spirit of covetousness and power tripping over all churches because of that saying all roads leads to Rome; hence all authority too.

Conquest of the laity, the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, is when they apply the Presbytery as an authority over all churches when the word of God is the authority for each and every individual church, which means the churches are to hold the Presbytery to the same standard. The irony is that the Presbytery was to be established in every city where the churches were at so they can be held accountable and excommunicate when refusing to repent. The Presbytery today is distant and aloof that when they change the standard for all churches to follow, no church can challenge them. Indeed, nobody can tell how these guys get placed in that position in the first place as certainly they cannot remove them.

I remember when I was very young, my former church was asked to join a Presbytery so they do not lose the church building. Yet now distant and owning the property and the power to dismiss the pastor when deviating from their standard of teachings, they have conquered the laity.

No one can hold them accountable to the word of God.

 

[Christ4Me]

BTW, it may come as a shock to you, but you are guilty of hatred for your brother which is murder, "and ye know no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him". How so?

This comment can be use to prove that a believer can lose his salvation or that they were never saved or that we are in the process of being saved, right? So how does one apply that verse to mean? There are 2 kinds of eternal inheritance; the vessels unto honor which are the vessels of gold & silver that departs from iniquity that will partake of the first fruits of the resurrection that will live forever like the angels and never marry.

Luke 20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

They that be Christ's at His coming, being resurrected after the great tribulation ( Revelation 20:1-6 ), are the vessels unto dishonor that did not depart from iniquity that had gotten left behind along with new believers after the rapture, where the power of the second death is not over them as they will need to eat from the tree of life and marry to raise up the generations in serving the King of kings on earth as vessels of wood & earth.

2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

So that is what it meant about "and ye know no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him" when a brother hates another brother. Those left behind are not like the firstfruits at all because the power of the first death is over them for they can die for why they need to eat from the tree of life as healing for the nations.

When you consider sitting at the Marriage Supper table in Heaven after the rapture, no one will be holding a grudge against another there; otherwise the one holding the grudge will not be there, but left behind to pay that debt till it is paid with death to get out of prison. The Lord is reminding me that those who defraud me and oppress me may be there for why I need to forgive them now and leave the vengeance to God because if and when God delivers them from their sins, the next time I see them in the kingdom of heaven, they will not be continuing in their sins against me. Jesus Christ died for us while we were yet sinners and He is asking us to lean on Him to love one another in that way by laying our lives down for our enemies as He did for us.

John 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. 13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. 14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

1 Timothy 1:11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust. 12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry; 13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief. 14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. 16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. 17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

So that is why we are to forgive the brethren personally even though we cannot stand being around them when they are being so offensive, because we are to hope in him that one day when we see them above or on earth as vessels unto dishonor, they will not be like that any more.

Matthew 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Romans 12:14 Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not. 15 Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep. 16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. 18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. 19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. 20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. 21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

 

[Christ4Me]

Because Leviticus 19:17 KJV says if we fail to rebuke our brothers of their sin, WE HATE THEM. If you care about me at all, you'll slap me upside the head if I begin to backslide, right or wrong?

I am pretty sure you did not mean it literally in slapping you upside the head, but just in case.

1 Timothy 3:1This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre; 9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience. 10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless. 11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things. 12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. 13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. 2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

2 Timothy 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Matthew 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven. 11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. 12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? 13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray. 14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.

15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

2 Thessalonians 3:1Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you: 2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith. 3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil. 4 And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you. 5 And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ. 6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. 7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;

14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. 15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

 

[Christ4Me]

A concise summation of the issue is found in 1 John 2:3-4 KJV:

"Hereby we do know that we know Him if we keep His commandments. He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments is a liar and the Truth (Jesus) is not in him."

So, if we believe "in" Jesus, we'll also believe "all said" by Jesus, including "whatsoever I have commanded you".

I do not recall any one preaching the gospel in Acts as including everything Jesus had taught.

When someone errs or is caught in a trespass, you do not preach the gospel to them again but correct them by the scripture whatever iniquity that they need to take to Jesus for forgiveness and deliverance from.

Jesus commanded His disciples to teach new believers everything He has taught them and that was after water baptizing them in His name.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

As it is, the apostle John was correcting believers that actually believed sin was no longer sin to them when they do it for why John refer to Christ as the example by Him walking in the light as we are to also. 1 John 1:3-9

John is not saying no true believer can never sin again because he gave this caution here;

1 John 2:1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

The fact that there is a race by looking to Him to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily ( Hebrews 12:1-2 ) is how we walk in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son as that cleanses us from all unrighteousness.

1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. 5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

So what John is informing believers about is who is abiding in Him & His words to hang around with that follows His voice as opposed to those that have departed from following Him by not abiding in His commandments i.e. His words as those we should not hang around with nor follow either.

There are believers who believe they never sin and ne has to wonder what they really mean by that. When we consider the addicts, all believers are former addicts to sin for why we look to Him to keep us from them and not just deliver us from them. Thay is what the race is about.

If a believer sinned or a believer that was an addict sin, it does not mean for them to give up, but to ask for forgiveness and His help not to do it again. It is when a believer living in sins without repentance as walking in darkness, thinking they had not sin, is why they should be corrected, and if still unrepented, excommunicated from the church and to be shun having fellowship with until he or she or they have repented with His help.

 

[Christ4Me]

Whoa! Hypocrites are saved? Not so. God leads us to repentance, but I don't buy into Calvinist thinking which says God both leads us to and then does the repenting for us - it's our job to choose to repent. These "hypocrites" are lost, who "after thy hardness and impenitent heart" are destined for "indignation and wrath".

Why warn believers not to sow the works of the flesh that will reap corruption unless it can happen to a saved believer? Peter said so.

2 Peter 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. 19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. 20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

I can see how a drug addict or an alcoholic can be saved and live their life free from it and then there are those who for a while are free from it, but then persecution or some crisis of faith causes them to all off the wagon.

Once that foundation is laid by Jesus Christ, having His seal of adoption, it can never be removed but what we build on that foundation will be judged.

That is why believers are warned because the wages of sin is death as that church at Thyatira will be cast into the bed of the great tribulation to be judged with physical death in Revelation 2:18-25 and yet though the body is destroyed for that believer defiling the temple of God, his spirit is saved per verse 15 of 1 Corinthians 3:10-17 and with the Lord to await their resurrection as a vessel unto dishonor in His House after the great tribulation;

 

[Phoneman777]

Again, your definition of a presumptuos man, one who practices sinful behavior, is not saved.

You're preaching to the choir. I'm the first to say the Presumptuous Man is going to split hell wide open...because he has no love for Jesus, because if we love Jesus at all, we'll want to stop doing the things that made necessary His death on the Cross in the first place :)

 

[Phoneman777]

I am pretty sure you did not mean it literally in slapping you upside the head, but just in case.

1 Timothy 3:1This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre; 9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience. 10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless. 11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things. 12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. 13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. 2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

2 Timothy 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Matthew 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven. 11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. 12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? 13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray. 14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.

15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

2 Thessalonians 3:1Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you: 2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith. 3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil. 4 And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you. 5 And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ. 6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. 7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;

14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. 15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

LOL, no I didn't mean it literally, but sometimes we can all get to be a bit stubborn, so...

Have you seen some of the crazy doctrines that are coming into the church? Bishop Desmond Tutu was buried recently - he was a major voice for global Christianity, but denied the literal, bodily resurrection of Jesus. I'm not sure what he did with Jesus' own testimony that He was "flesh and bones".