As it was in the days of Noah, EXCEPT for the part where he was removed to the ark!
As it was in the days of Lot, EXCEPT for the part where he was removed to safety!
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As it was in the days of Noah, EXCEPT for the part where he was removed to the ark!
As it was in the days of Lot, EXCEPT for the part where he was removed to safety!
I was thinking about that very same thing, well, almost, I think it's the NLT that translates Ecclesiates this way, God makes the same things happen over and over again, and He does this so that men will fear Him.
Much love!
That's not the rapture.
Some people teach this, some do not. I do not, myself. That was John being called to heaven, not the church.
We can talk about all of it if you wish.
There are some faulty foundations presented in support of all the views, but there are good foundations for correct views.
You've chosen a proof I don't use, so I don't know how far we can go with that.
So actually I don't. You've spent a good amount of space arguing against a point I don't make. Did you happen to see the actual reasons why I think pre-trib?
Much love!
Taken
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As it was in the days of Noah, EXCEPT for the part where he was removed to the ark!
As it was in the days of Lot, EXCEPT for the part where he was removed to safety!
No...rapture, lifted up.
Taken
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Yep.
Ecc. 1:
[9] The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Gen 7
[1] And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
[4] For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.
Gen 7
[20] Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
22 feet above mountain tops....clouds :)
Keraz
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No. The Lord promises protection for all who: Call upon His Name. Acts 2:21
The whole nation of the Christian peoples, living in all of the holy Land, Isaiah 62:1-5, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Romans 9:24-26, will be God's Witnesses and His Light to the rest of the world.
Going to live in heaven is not part of God's Plan and is never prophesied.
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Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
It is there twice in the KJV/ textus receptus. See G846 below.
And G2532 if any man G1536 G846 will G2309 hurt G91 them, G846 fire G4442 proceedeth G1607 out of G1537 their G846 mouth, G4750 and G2532 devoureth G2719 their G846 enemies: G2190 and G2532 if any man G1536 will G2309 hurt G91 them, G846 he must G1163 in this manner G3779 be killed. G615
The reason the KJV translators put "man" there is because the two witnesses are not killed by a man, so instead of "none" it says any man. No man can kill them, but the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit can and does.
Not sure where or which translation you are getting "None" from? I will answer this when you show me this, as most of the major translations have "anyone" or "any man".
Taken
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Do you recall the first Great Tribulation?
Everything on the face of the earth physically died....ie Gods WRATH!
The protection THEN was to lift up the SAVED OFF the face of the earth.
Have you learned about another and last Great Tribulation?
Why do you think the SAVED will be ON Earth during the Last Great Tribulation...Gods WRATH?
Gentiles have had 2,000 years to be Witnesses to Christ Jesus.
Gentiles were never Appointed to be Teachers to the Jews.
God is Sending Jews to preach to the Jews and primarily SAVE THEM during the Tribulation. Gentiles are not excluded, as they have had Knowledge given them for 2,000 years.
There is nothing in Scripture about the SAVED IN CHRIST Preaching during the Tribulation. The Tribulation IS ALL ABOUT the Lord Gods anger and WRATH for BEING REJECTED.
Have you REJECTED the Lord God, that you ARE SUBJECT TO HIS WRATH?
You repeatedly CLAIM that.....YET Not one person is PREACHING ^^^ THAT, so why do you make an irrelevant statement AS IF, that is your reason to say, the SAVED, shall BE ON EARTH during Gods WRATH upon the EARTH.
The PROTECTION FOR THE SAVED....IS TO NOT BE ON THE EARTH....
Scripture says that. Why do you not Trust Scripture?
Whose prophecies were you hoping for? When Paul said that "our citizenship is in Heaven" did you opt out, and let God know that you would rather remain on earth? And when Jesus said that He was preparing a place in Heaven (His Father's house) for His people, did you find that objectionable? And when Abraham looked for a city which has foundations, whose Builder and Maker is God, was that an aberration?
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These Prophesied things WILL happen, but your thinking they do anytime soon, is a mistake.
We will be citizens of heaven; when God and heaven come to dwell on earth. Revelation 21:1-7
AFTER the Millennium.
Taken
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@Keraz
@marks
RAPTURE DENIERS ~
A man was stranded on his rooftop in rapidly rising floodwaters.
He prayed to God to rescue him.
A neighbor in canoe paddled over. The neighbor told him to jump in the boat to safety.
The stranded man refused.
“I’m OK,” he said. “I am praying to God to save me.”
The neighbor paddled on.
Next a motorboat came by. The man at the helm urged him to get in.
But the man on the roof refused.
“I am praying to God to save me,” he replied.
So, the motorboat moved on.
Finally, a helicopter flew overhead. The pilot threw down a rope and directed the man to grab it.
“I will pull you to safety,” he said.
But the man refused.
“I am praying to God to save me,” he responded.
So, the helicopter flew on.
Soon after, the flood water completely engulfed the roof and the man drowned.
In Heaven he questioned God about the circumstances of his death.
“God, I prayed to you. I had faith you would save me. Why did you let me drown?”
God’ s answer was simple.
“Did you not see how I answered your prayers? I sent you a rowboat, a motorboat and a helicopter.”
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RAPTURE DENIERS ~
A man was stranded on his rooftop in rapidly rising floodwaters.
He prayed to God to rescue him.
A neighbor in canoe paddled over. The neighbor told him to jump in the boat to safety.
The stranded man refused.
“I’m OK,” he said. “I am praying to God to save me.”
The neighbor paddled on.
Next a motorboat came by. The man at the helm urged him to get in.
But the man on the roof refused.
“I am praying to God to save me,” he replied.
So, the motorboat moved on.
Finally, a helicopter flew overhead. The pilot threw down a rope and directed the man to grab it.
“I will pull you to safety,” he said.
But the man refused.
“I am praying to God to save me,” he responded.
So, the helicopter flew on.
Soon after, the flood water completely engulfed the roof and the man drowned.
In Heaven he questioned God about the circumstances of his death.
“God, I prayed to you. I had faith you would save me. Why did you let me drown?”
God’ s answer was simple.
“Did you not see how I answered your prayers? I sent you a rowboat, a motorboat and a helicopter.”
Taken
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RAPTURE (CATCHING UP) DENIERS...
Gods Anger, Gods Wrath, Gods Flood and FIRST Great Tribulation...
Gen 6:
[5] And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
[7] And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
[8] But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
[13] And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
[14] Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.
Gen 7
[1] And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
[4] For yet seven days, and (then) I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.
[18] And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.
[20] Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
[23] And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
Luke 17:
[26] And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
Heb 1
[2] Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
John 20:
[31] But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
Rom 10:
[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
1 Pet 1:
[23] Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Acts 3:
[19] Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the
presence of the Lord;
John 14:
[20] At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
Matt 18:
[17] And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
[18] And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
1 Cor 3:
[16] Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
Heb 13:
[5] Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
1 Thes 5:
[3] For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
1 Thes 5:
[9] For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
1 Thes 4:
[15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Matt 24:
[15] When “ye” therefore shall see
*(run and hide, because you missed receiving SALVATION)
the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
[21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
*** Open ears, Open eyes....the UN has already unveiled it’s
“Great Re-set” and IS implementing its program for:
World Peace and Security.....THEY are the self-proclaimed, Worlds Savior.
....fear, fear, fear....shut those church doors...silence Gods Word...
jab, jab, jab...safe/secure...keep jabbing and party on...your a new master daddy is going to save the world...
Gods Anger, Gods Wrath, Gods Flood and FIRST Great Tribulation...
Gen 6:
[5] And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
[7] And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
[8] But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
[13] And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
[14] Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.
Gen 7
[1] And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
[4] For yet seven days, and (then) I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.
[18] And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.
[20] Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
[23] And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
Luke 17:
[26] And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
Heb 1
[2] Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
John 20:
[31] But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
Rom 10:
[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
1 Pet 1:
[23] Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Acts 3:
[19] Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the
presence of the Lord;
John 14:
[20] At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
Matt 18:
[17] And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
[18] And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
1 Cor 3:
[16] Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
Heb 13:
[5] Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
1 Thes 5:
[3] For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
1 Thes 5:
[9] For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
1 Thes 4:
[15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Matt 24:
[15] When “ye” therefore shall see
*(run and hide, because you missed receiving SALVATION)
the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
[21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
*** Open ears, Open eyes....the UN has already unveiled it’s
“Great Re-set” and IS implementing its program for:
World Peace and Security.....THEY are the self-proclaimed, Worlds Savior.
....fear, fear, fear....shut those church doors...silence Gods Word...
jab, jab, jab...safe/secure...keep jabbing and party on...your a new master daddy is going to save the world...
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Davy
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It's just not clear to you. But it should be. I'm only trying to prevent being deceived to the coming false messiah that will come first which our Lord Jesus warned us about.
Davy
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Partial rapture, what is that? You mean the saints still alive vs. the asleep saints that are with Jesus and He brings with Him when He comes, I assume.
Yes, there's 2 groups of saints Paul is covering there in 1 Thessalonians 4. The saints that are dead rise first, and Jesus brings them with Him when He comes, according to Apostle Paul. Then the saints still alive on earth Jesus gathers with Him and the risen saints, and they all go to Jerusalem where Jesus' feet touch down upon the Mount of Olives. Oh, Paul didn't cover that last bit in 1 Thessalonians 4, did he? No, but God did by His prophet in Zechariah 14, and there's certainly no need to repeat that Zechariah 14 event since by the time of Paul the faithful saints had already read that and knew it.
So how is it that most pre-trib rapture theory churches do not... know about that Zechariah 14 Scripture that reveals where Jesus is coming to once He gathers His Church?
Zech 14:1-5
14 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with Thee.
KJV
You know, that... Scripture gives us the WHEN of 1 Thessalonians 4. It will be on that "day of the Lord" which is linked to that battle that Jesus will fight, the "Armageddon" battle of Revelation 16:16, which will only occur on the very last day of this present world.
Davy
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If you're gonna' try and rely on men's dictionaries instead of the direct Word of Lord Jesus there at the end of Luke 17, then your soul is definitely in trouble.
Davy
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Yeah, right. Just like you never heard of the Pre-tribulational Rapture theory from men either.
Taken
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People...man...body...does not GO TO Heaven.
Earth is man, body, habitat.
A mans soul is Gods, is filled with Gods Breath.
A mans spirit is filled with Gods Seed.
A mans soul, a mans quickened spirit is from the Heavenly God.
A mans Saved soul, a mans Quickened spirit......RETURNS to Heaven WHEN it’s natural BODY dies, and the BODY RETURNS to dust of the Earth.
Our “citizenship” IN Heaven.....is AFTER the body is raise up glorified, the Saved Soul returns to the glorified body, the Quickened spirit returns to the glorified body.........AND the Barrier BETWEEN Heaven and Earth is OPENED.
WE do not RISE UP to HEAVEN.....HEAVEN opens UP to the Earth.
Earth has no further NEED of the “sun” for Light.
The Light of Heaven Lights the Earth.
A person, IS the Human part of man....body.
Body’s of men do not rise up to high Heaven.
When Paul said.....OUR citizenship is in Heaven.....He was NOT speaking of a corrupt earthly body....ie Person. He was speaking of a Converted man and our future ... on Earth with Heaven Open.
Terms...such as ... Christian, believer, person, etc. are Vague, when discussing Spiritual things. Gods Word IS precise...CONVERTED...and IN Christ.
@Keraz regularly (as do others) uses vague terms when trying to make a Spiritual Claim... It’s sounds innocent, but is deceiving.
For 2,000 years the Spirit of God has been COMING IN “spirits of men”, “without mans observation”....
Matt 6:
[10] Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Converted men occupying the Earth, SHALL SEE Heaven on Earth, SHALL SEE their God.
Glory to God,
Taken
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