Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

[Christ4Me]

Now, here’s where I’m going to call your hand. You have absolutely no Scriptural basis to condemn Phillip and ALL of the people in Samaria, in Acts Chapter 8, who believed Phillip’s preaching, and were baptized before receiving the Holy Ghost. In fact, what you just said sounds about as arrogant and Pharisaic as anything I’ve ever heard, coming from someone who claims to be walking in Truth. My advice to you is to REPENT, and ask God to forgive you for making that statement.

They were only water baptized in Jesus's name for believing the things Philip had preached about and had not received the gift of the holy Ghost.

You have to ask Him why when He sent Peter & John down to lay hands on them for God to give them the Holy Ghost.

Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. 13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done. 14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: 15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: 16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) 17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost. 18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money, 19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost. 20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money. 21 Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God. 22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee. 23 For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity. 24 Then answered Simon, and said, Pray ye to the Lord for me, that none of these things which ye have spoken come upon me.

So was Simon's heart right with God for why he was not born again of the Spirit yet? Then what about the rest of the people's hearts? This was why Luke bothered to give the background on the people in that area and about their regard for Simon in infamy.

Acts 8:5 Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them. 6 And the people with one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake, hearing and seeing the miracles which he did. 7 For unclean spirits, crying with loud voice, came out of many that were possessed with them: and many taken with palsies, and that were lame, were healed. 8 And there was great joy in that city. 9 But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one: 10 To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God. 11 And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries.

So the people of the area went from the infamy of Simon's to the famous Philip in following him around to behold the miracles which was what Simon did too. Simon saw Peter & John in the same way he saw Philip as the people did too for why they had not been born again of the Spirit as their hearts were not quite right in coming to Jesus in believing in Him, but coming to Philip in believing the "things" Philip preached about being water baptized in Jesus's name but only doing it out of fanfare as Simon had done in following Philip around beholding the miracles seemingly coming from him just as he had thought the Holy Ghost was coming from Peter & John.

Do you honestly need to be reminded that everything from Romans to Jude was written to people who had already received Biblical Salvation according to the New Covenant Plan of Salvation, which included water baptism? You need to repent, sit down a while, pray and be taught sound doctrine. The road you’re on now is going to have a bad end. And you sins will find you out.

Not sure how you do not see the road you are on is a bad end, especially since you believe you are not saved yet even after being water baptized in His name for the remission of sins & have the gift of the Holy Ghost by that way rather than the only way by believing in Jesus Christ for salvation.

All I can do is pray for you since you seem to be subverted to this false teaching that believers are not saved yet, and you believing water baptism for the remission of sins is just a small step in that direction IS laboring in unbelief in coming short of that rest because you are saved for believing in Him.

 

[Truther]

No. You just misread Peter's words because water baptism was interjected in between repent and the remission of sins, but this same Peter preached the gospel of how by believing in Him is the remission of sins is how one is born again of the Spirit to the Gentiles long before water baptism which has to be the same for the Jews.



For salvation it is irrelevant. For being His disciples by water baptism as a public witness of their conversion that they are believers in Jesus Christ is not irrelevant.



Repent from unbelief by believing in Him is how the Jews really had received the remission of sins & the gift of the Holy Ghost, because that is how the Gentiles were saved too, way before water baptism to prove water baptism was not responsible for the Jews in getting their remissions of sin.

Acts 2:38 is ongoing throughout the book...Acts 2, 8, 10 and 19.

You better read it and weep if you are not baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins...


Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost....

Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women....

16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)...

Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Acts 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.



Peter did not change his message, nor did Paul....but modern theology changed their message.

 

[Christ4Me]

Peter did not change his message, nor did Paul....but modern theology changed their message.

Can you prove it was not your church's theology that taught you this?

 

[Truther]

I do not see how, when the RCC would acknowledge that too.

Jesus Christ had existed before His incarnation.

Jesus Is Jehovah

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made..... 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.... 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

God's spoken word that created Jesus was made flesh.

Incarnationists have turned the spoken word of God into another person.

 

[Truther]

[QUOTE="Truther, post: 1223298, member: 8451"]He was created in the womb of Mary as a microscopic sperm cell to mate with Mary's egg, creating the BEGOTTEN son of God and biological son of Mary,

Anyone that denies this is of the RCC.

Your an anti-trinitarian then?

Perhaps a kind of adoptionism heresy. No doubts Christ was born into the human race taking on flesh. The incarnation means God taking on flesh being born as a baby.
Adoptionism
...taught that Jesus was born totally human and only later was “adopted” – either at his baptism or at his resurrection – by God in a special (i.e. divine) way. Trinitarian Heresies | Monergism.[/QUOTE]
I am anti trinity.

I am anti oneness.

I am anti adoptionism.

I am anti etc.

I just read the Bible and refuse the commentary with shocking results.

All the above cannot deal with the origin of their microscopic flesh God.

 

[Truther]

Can you prove it was not your church's theology that taught you this?

I reject my Church's theology.

I got tired of others teaching how to interpret their commentary some years ago.

Trust me here...I taught it myself for 30 years.

No mas.

 

[Christ4Me]

God's spoken word that created Jesus was made flesh.

Incarnationists have turned the spoken word of God into another person.

If you only refer to your church theology's rather than the truth in the entirety of scripture, how can you prove you have not been subverted?

 

[Christ4Me]

I reject my Church's theology.

I got tired of others teaching how to interpret their commentary some years ago.

Trust me here...I taught it myself for 30 years.

No mas.

Well, we are supposed to rely on the Lord Jesus Christ to teach us through the Holy Spirit in us so be prepared to be pruned by Him to bear more fruit because that is what He does for those that are fruitful per verse 2 in John 15:1-2 as we can never stop growing in the knowledge of Him.

I get pruned too, so always growing and not perfect yet. One day when He brings us Home, He will prefect that which concerns us.

 

[Truther]

If you only refer to your church theology's rather than the truth in the entirety of scripture, how can you prove you have not been subverted?

I did a reboot.

I got tired of being told "this is what it really means".

Howbout you, are you there yet?

 

[Truther]

Well, we are supposed to rely on the Lord Jesus Christ to teach us through the Holy Spirit in us so be prepared to be pruned by Him to bear more fruit because that is what He does for those that are fruitful per verse 2 in John 15:1-2 as we can never stop growing in the knowledge of Him.

I get pruned too, so always growing and not perfect yet. One day when He brings us Home, He will prefect that which concerns us.

Just keep an open mind to scripture and a wall up against commentary and your path will be clearer.

 

[Christ4Me]

I did a reboot.

I got tired of being told "this is what it really means".

Howbout you, are you there yet?

I left my former Presbyterian church due to the apostasy abounding in it with no way to correct the errors within for they will not hear it.

Thanks to Jesus Christ, I have come to rely on Him for the meaning of His words rather than commentaries, famous teachers, or church's established theology not supported entirely by scripture like water baptism being essential for salvation as if that is how a believer receives the remission of sins when believing in Him is how that is done.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. 6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. 7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. 8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

Romans 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

1 John 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth..... 26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

I point out that a lot of Catholic teachings and terms were carried over into Lutheran & other Protestant churches so the Reformation is not done yet. Pretty much the individual believer seeking the truth in His words will have to prove everything with the help of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Whenever any one takes your hope off of Jesus Christ for any thing and divide that hope on something you are do to like water baptism or taking part of "holy communion" that in itself serves as an antichrist because it places the believer solitary hope instead of Christ.

 

[Christ4Me]

Just keep an open mind to scripture and a wall up against commentary and your path will be clearer.

With the Lord's help as my Good Shepherd & Friend in proving everything by Him, He has been doing a very good job so far.

 

[BGR]

Kind of a self defeating argument because He had no sins to be water baptized for the remission of sins. The reason Jesus aid that to fulfill all righteousness is what had happened afterwards in fulfilling this prophesy in Isaiah for when the Father spoke from Heaven & the Holy Spirit added His witness to the Son as God in sending Him to teach that He is the way the truth and the life for those who seek to be saved by Him as their Redeemer.

Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me. 17 Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.



John 4:1When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John, 2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)

If you ever wonder why He never had water baptized any one, it is more than likely to stay true to His words in prophecy.

Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

So there is a difference between what His disciples were commanded to do in making disciples out of newly saved believers than what God does in baptizing all who believe in Him to be born again of the Spirit and thus saved.

No serious Bible student should argue the point that one can be saved outside of the Gospel Message ... which is the Death, Burial and Resurrection of Jesus Christ ..., and what this all means to those who hear, believe AND obey.This Bible Student will continue to teach sinners identify with Christ’s EXAMPLE by ...

1). Genuine Repentance ~ doing an about face, a 180, FROM OUR SINS
(identifying with Christ’s Death by dying out to sin, self and the world).
2). Water Baptism by complete immersion IN (taking upon themselves) the precious name of Jesus, FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS (identifying with Christ’s Burial) And
3). Receiving the Holy Ghost “the Bible way” (being raised from the death of sin and separation, identifying with Christ’s Resurrection.

You are free to do whatever you please.

It is unfortunate that Acts 2:38 had interjected water baptis in there mking you think that is how the remission of sins came about for the gift of the holy Spirit to come but clearly it wasn't when this same Peter never mentioned water baptism to the Gentiles for how Peter had said how the remission of sins was received and that was by believing in Him, and they had received the gift of the Holy Ghost & got saved before water baptism.

Acts 22:16 (KJV)
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

In the above reference, the washing away of the sins was done by calling on the name of the Lord, not by water baptism.

There is NOTHING unfortunate about Acts 2:38. It just stands in your way, that’s all. And Acts 22:16 reinforces the FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS of Acts 2:38. Why on earth would an unbeliever want to be water baptized? And as expressed from the very beginning, it is my position that BELIEVING is essential to Salvation, as is hearing AND obeying. Obeying what? The Great Commission ..

1). Go
2). Teach and
3). Baptize

Well I would have to say the preponderous of Scriptural evidence is believing in Jesus Christ, the preaching of the cross is how we are saved for why Paul was not sent to baptize but preach the gospel. Dance around it all you like, but you are only reading water baptism into the scripture as the means for the remission of sins when it is not but believing in Him, calling on the name of the Lord to be saved, is.

The Catholic Church wants to push that false teaching because that is how they can claim salvation can only be obtained within the Catholic Church. You have Jesuits trained to infiltrate the churches to bring Protestant back into the fold. Lutherans in the UK are apologizing to the catholic Church for ever leaving it. They can be influencing commentaries and your teachers in Christian Colleges & Universities as that is their agenda as well as sowing discord among Protestant circles.

Dare say they were behind the ecumenical creeds as gathering grapes of thorns & figs of thistles in an attempt to bring all the churches under Catholic rule. Even introducing false teaching not supported in scripture about worshiping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son when the only way to come to God the Father in worship is by the only way of the Son ( John 14:6 ) and the only way to honor the father is by only honoring the Son in worship which is exactly what the Holy Spirit has been sent to do through us in ministry ( John 15:26-27 ) & in worship ( john 16:14 )

So if water baptism was essential, Jesus would be saying it every time but instead, we find believing in Him is how one is born again of the Spirit. His hand is not shortened as Savior because He can save any one that calls on Him to be saved.

I was once a baptized member of a main stream denominational church. However, today, I’m NOT Catholic NOR Protestant. I am just an independent Bible student/teacher, an ordinary person, who had something very in ordinary to happen in his life.

By the way, I’m not dancing around anything. I am the one who has verbatim BIBLE .. that water baptism is FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS. But I will say this, you’re dancing around pretty good, because you just saved the devil and 1/3 of the angels caste out with him (because **IF** anybody believes what you just said THEY DO). Here’s what you said .. Well I would have to say the preponderous of Scriptural evidence is believing in Jesus Christ, the preaching of the cross is how we are saved for why Paul was not sent to baptize but preach the gospel.

That was what John the Baptist's water baptism was about.

Mark 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. 5 And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.

Don't you believe that God's baptism with the Holy Ghost has to be gained differently than by John the Baptist's water baptism of repentance for the remission of sins? It is. For then why would any of John the Baptist's disciples seek another baptism under Jesus's name in Acts 19:1-7? If they had already received the remission of sins by John the Baptist's water baptism, then why again under Jesus's name?

Because it is by believing in Him, calling on His name to be saved, is how one receives the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Ghost

That is what the preponderous of the scriptures testify of about the Good News to man whereas your claim of water baptism for the remission of sins is only read into it and there isn't that many.

God called John, and told him to baptize, and prepare the way before Him. And John did. Later He COMMANDED His Followers to baptize. And they did .. and still do.

 

[Christ4Me]

No serious Bible student should argue the point that one can be saved outside of the Gospel Message ... which is the Death, Burial and Resurrection of Jesus Christ ..., and what this all means to those who hear, believe AND obey.

We obey the gospel message by believing in Him in how we are saved.

This Bible Student will continue to teach sinners identify with Christ’s EXAMPLE by ...

1). Genuine Repentance ~ doing an about face, a 180, FROM OUR SINS
(identifying with Christ’s Death by dying out to sin, self and the world).

Jesus Christ needs to be in us before we have the power to turn about 180 degree from ALL sins which is why discipleship as in running that race is separate from salvation. That means the only repentance required from sinners is to believe in Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.

Explain these verses.

Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.... 29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

2). Water Baptism by complete immersion IN (taking upon themselves) the precious name of Jesus, FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS (identifying with Christ’s Burial) And

The only thing I disagree with this video is at the very end where he believes when Jesus said "I never knew you" those Christians are not saved when the reason Jesus is saying that in Matthew 7:21-23 & Luke 13:24-30 is because they were workers of iniquity as any iniquity which is an act of denying Him is why He would deny them ( disqualify them ) from being received as a vessel unto honor in His House BUT they are still in His House as vessels unto dishonor for not departing from iniquity for why they are left behind to die when the Bridegroom comes. Revelation 2:18-25

But their spirits will be with the Lord to await for their resurrection after the great tribulation; 2 Corinthians 5:7-11 & 1 Corinthians 3:10-17 & 1 Corinthians 5:4-5 & Luke 12:40-49 at this link at Bible Gateway Bible Gateway passage: 2 Corinthians 5:7-11, 1 Corinthians 3:10-17, 1 Corinthians 5:4-5, Luke 12:40-49 - King James Version

3). Receiving the Holy Ghost “the Bible way” (being raised from the death of sin and separation, identifying with Christ’s Resurrection.

You are free to do whatever you please.

But did you not say you are not saved yet in spite of all of that?

There is NOTHING unfortunate about Acts 2:38. It just stands in your way, that’s all.

If you are the one that believes you are not saved yet, you have a lot standing in your way before you can tell anyone the Good News. Sinners would say, "Well, let me know how that turns out in the end, okay?" and keep on walking because why would they go through all that if there is no assurance of salvation at all when it's on them to save themselves as you seem to be inferring that the preponderous of scripture testify of?

I see someone not seeing the forest for all the trees.

Any one that studies Catholicism is likened to a lobster in a slowly boiling pot. Yeah, I know you claim you are not Catholic but a Protestant evangelical, but you come off as defending the works of Catholicism as if they are necessary and even they say that after doing all that, being a member of the Catholic Church & doing the sacraments, but do not persevere in charity, they are not saved.

Be a miracle for them to repent from laboring in unbelief as they are coming short of that rest provided by Jesus Christ after He had saved them for having believed in Him to be saved.

There is only going on to perfection to be received by the Bridegroom as that vessel unto honor in His House to avoid being a castaway to die to be resurrected later on after the great tribulation and wind up being a vessel unto dishonor in His House, a vessel of wood & earth in that great House.

It's not for salvation because one has to be saved to even be in that race for the high prize of our calling as that also is run by faith in Him to finish.

 

[Christ4Me]

I do not agree with everything CARM says but I agree with this video in regards to why water baptism is not a requirement for salvation.

 

[Truther]

I left my former Presbyterian church due to the apostasy abounding in it with no way to correct the errors within for they will not hear it.

Thanks to Jesus Christ, I have come to rely on Him for the meaning of His words rather than commentaries, famous teachers, or church's established theology not supported entirely by scripture like water baptism being essential for salvation as if that is how a believer receives the remission of sins when believing in Him is how that is done.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. 6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. 7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. 8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

Romans 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

1 John 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth..... 26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

I point out that a lot of Catholic teachings and terms were carried over into Lutheran & other Protestant churches so the Reformation is not done yet. Pretty much the individual believer seeking the truth in His words will have to prove everything with the help of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Whenever any one takes your hope off of Jesus Christ for any thing and divide that hope on something you are do to like water baptism or taking part of "holy communion" that in itself serves as an antichrist because it places the believer solitary hope instead of Christ.

I left my former Presbyterian church due to the apostasy abounding in it with no way to correct the errors within for they will not hear it.

Thanks to Jesus Christ, I have come to rely on Him for the meaning of His words rather than commentaries, famous teachers, or church's established theology not supported entirely by scripture like water baptism being essential for salvation as if that is how a believer receives the remission of sins when believing in Him is how that is done.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. 6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. 7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. 8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

Romans 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

1 John 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth..... 26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

I point out that a lot of Catholic teachings and terms were carried over into Lutheran & other Protestant churches so the Reformation is not done yet. Pretty much the individual believer seeking the truth in His words will have to prove everything with the help of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Whenever any one takes your hope off of Jesus Christ for any thing and divide that hope on something you are do to like water baptism or taking part of "holy communion" that in itself serves as an antichrist because it places the believer solitary hope instead of Christ.

"Whenever any one takes your hope off of Jesus Christ for any thing and divide that hope on something you are do to like water baptism..."

Good post until the last statement(highlighted).

How do you think the Jews felt at Pentecost when Peter demanded water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sins?

I guarantee they did not get hopeless but hopeful.

You see the glass half empty.

 

[Christ4Me]

"Whenever any one takes your hope off of Jesus Christ for any thing and divide that hope on something you are do to like water baptism..."

Good post until the last statement(highlighted).

How do you think the Jews felt at Pentecost when Peter demanded water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sins?

I guarantee they did not get hopeless but hopeful.

You see the glass half empty.

I still say you are not reading Peter's words right in Acts 2:38 when in Acts 10:43 this same Peter said the remission of sins comes by believing in Him and they had received the gift of the Holy Ghost as they did in Acts 2:38-39.

You have two conflicting message by that same Peter, and the only way to rectify the two is ask Jesus to help you see which message about how the remission of sins is true, because Peter had to have said the same thing to the Jews that took part in crucifying Jesus in unbelief and he did & that is by heeding the call to repent which is to do the opposite of wat they had done in unbelief in Jesus by believing in Jesus Christ. And so he did give the same message to the Jews that he had given the Gentiles plainly as the Gentiles had received the gift of the Holy Spirit before water baptism.

Water baptism is for making new believers His disciples; it is not for saving them.

I do not agree with everything CARM says but I agree with this video in regards to why water baptism is not a requirement for salvation.

 

[Truther]

I still say you are not reading Peter's words right in Acts 2:38 when in Acts 10:43 this same Peter said the remission of sins comes by believing in Him and they had received the gift of the Holy Ghost as they did in Acts 2:38-39.

You have two conflicting message by that same Peter, and the only way to rectify the two is ask Jesus to help you see which message about how the remission of sins is true, because Peter had to have said the same thing to the Jews that took part in crucifying Jesus in unbelief and he did & that is by heeding the call to repent which is to do the opposite of wat they had done in unbelief in Jesus by believing in Jesus Christ. And so he did give the same message to the Jews that he had given the Gentiles plainly as the Gentiles had received the gift of the Holy Spirit before water baptism.

Water baptism is for making new believers His disciples; it is not for saving them.

I do not agree with everything CARM says but I agree with this video in regards to why water baptism is not a requirement for salvation.

What is there to not read right?....

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

In your mind, does Peter trump Peter in Acts?

 

[Christ4Me]

What is there to not read right?....

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

In your mind, does Peter trump Peter in Acts?

I believe this same Peter said the same gospel message to the Jews as he plainly did to the Gentiles; it is just that you are not seeing it to the Jews.

Otherwise you should be crying foul on God for giving the Gentiles the gift of the Holy Ghost before water baptism, but instead you just gloss over what Peter had said to the Gentiles for what all the prophets witness that through His name whosoever believes in Him shall receive the remission of sins and nary a water baptism mentioned for this cause and effect.

I tried to find those prophets spoken of in Acts 10:43 but only found this so far.

Acts 10:43 Commentaries: "Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins."

Quoting ~~~~"43. To him give all the prophets witness] Cp. Isaiah 49:6, “I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.” Also Joel 2:32, “Whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered.” So that under the Law the redemption of the Gentiles was seen afar off. The way in which St Peter uses the Jewish Scriptures to enforce his arguments is an evidence that Cornelius and his household were familiar with those writings." ~~~~~ End of Quote

If you can lend a hand in finding the O.T. scripture for why verse 43 referenced those prophets, it may help with this discussion. I am not sure those are the prophets spoken of as referenced in Acts 10:43, even though it looks that way.

But the question here is if water baptism is the actual means for the remission of sins, why didn't Peter said that in Acts 10:43? I see Peter saying what he had said in Acts 10:43 in Acts 2:38 for how repenting from unbelief by believing in Him is how the Jews really had received their remission of sins and the gift of the holy Ghost.

I got other alerts to attend to before I get back to researching more.

Anybody else reading his, feel free to look as well since it is in relation to this discussion.

 

[Truther]

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.



I believe this same Peter said the same gospel message to the Jews as he plainly did to the Gentiles; it is just that you are not seeing it to the Jews.

Otherwise you should be crying foul on God for giving the Gentiles the gift of the Holy Ghost before water baptism, but instead you just gloss over what Peter had said to the Gentiles for what all the prophets witness that through His name whosoever believes in Him shall receive the remission of sins and nary a water baptism mentioned for this cause and effect.

I tried to find those prophets spoken of in Acts 10:43 but only found this so far.

Acts 10:43 Commentaries: "Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins."

Quoting ~~~~"43. To him give all the prophets witness] Cp. Isaiah 49:6, “I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.” Also Joel 2:32, “Whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered.” So that under the Law the redemption of the Gentiles was seen afar off. The way in which St Peter uses the Jewish Scriptures to enforce his arguments is an evidence that Cornelius and his household were familiar with those writings." ~~~~~ End of Quote

If you can lend a hand in finding the O.T. scripture for why verse 43 referenced those prophets, it may help with this discussion. I am not sure those are the prophets spoken of as referenced in Acts 10:43, even though it looks that way.

But the question here is if water baptism is the actual means for the remission of sins, why didn't Peter said that in Acts 10:43? I see Peter saying what he had said in Acts 10:43 in Acts 2:38 for how repenting from unbelief by believing in Him is how the Jews really had received their remission of sins and the gift of the holy Ghost.

I got other alerts to attend to before I get back to researching more.

Anybody else reading his, feel free to look as well since it is in relation to this discussion.

Did you know that God can fill someone with the Holy Ghost to persuade them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sins?

Do you understand that the Spirit was prophesied to change one's heart towards God.

Did you know that only the Holy Ghost can allow you to be baptized via Acts 2:38?

Did you know that most Christians are blinded by the Holy Ghost from Acts 2:38 because of the hardness of their heart?