"Salvation" is the gift of Eternal Life - it's FOREVER.

[Eternally Grateful]

I'm kind of tired of this whole OSAS thing.
But I'd like to bring your attention to the fact the when John wrote those words you posted above, He was on in years and gnosticism had already invaded the church and he was very worried about these gnostics affecting Christians and Christianity with heretical teachings.

John meant the gnostics in speaking of those that went out because they did not belong.
In fact, they DID NOT belong and were heretical followers that could not accept the truth.

Please look into this...this verse is so misused.

I'm kind of tired of this whole OSAS thing.
But I'd like to bring your attention to the fact the when John wrote those words you posted above, He was on in years and gnosticism had already invaded the church and he was very worried about these gnostics affecting Christians and Christianity with heretical teachings.

John meant the gnostics in speaking of those that went out because they did not belong.
In fact, they DID NOT belong and were heretical followers that could not accept the truth.

Please look into this...this verse is so misused.

I am tired of this whole depend on self and not rely on God thing (NOSAS)
I am also tired of the gnostic excuse to ignore what John said.

22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

It is not just Gnostics who deny the son, Athiests do. Any unbeliever does.

he also seperated them from true believers

20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth. 21 I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth.

Unlike the unbelievers who did nto know truth. These people recieved the anointing and knew truth

The verse is not misused, it is factual

 

[Eternally Grateful]

How could someone THINK they are one of the elect and not be?

Israel rings a bell. They thought they were elect and crucified christ.

 

[Taken]

I have no idea what that means.
No one is sinless except God.

Oh good grief.....You should know what it means.....YOU are the one who made claims FOR ME, that I DID NOT MAKE, then after YOU made FALSE claims FOR ME, you disagreed

What it means is YOU disagreed with YOURSELF!

So why lie, and claim I said I was “sinless” ?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Why couldn't they?
OSAS is Part and partial of Calvinism. It very much a minority view though out church history.

The narrow gate

And it is nto just calvinism. That is the mistake many make, they are angry against the thought of eternal security because they are against calvinism.

One can be against calvinism and still believe in eternal security.

 

[marks]

You're arguing with Peter.

How so?

 

[marks]

Drop their guard?

What is there but to think we are the elect? If we say we know we are, isn't that a thought? Until the judgement when we find out what God says about it?

Are you of the view that you cannot know if God accepts you until you stand before Him after you've died?

What are your thoughts on this part,

Romans 8:16 KJV
16) The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Does in fact the Holy Spirit testify with our spirit that we are His children?

Wouldn't that mean we can have that assurance now?

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That doesn't add up, EG.

King Saul?
King David?
King Solomon?

All did GREAT things for the Lord and sinned GREATLY after! And they KNEW what sin was. Sin existed prior to the NT.

Sinner claims they ALL went to heaven. You OSAS guys need to have a meeting and get on the same page.

1 John 3: No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seedremains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.

 

[Taken]

The narrow gate

And it is nto just calvinism. That is the mistake many make, they are angry against the thought of eternal security because they are against calvinism.

One can be against calvinism and still believe in eternal security.

Renniks remark is half truth.
Many denominations believe Salvation can be lost, and then point out Calvinism does not believe that....

False.
OSAS, is the express condition of an individual who has RECEIVED, the Gift of Salvation, bought and paid for for every person.

Ability to LOSE Salvation? Absolutely. An individual who has a gift bought and paid for for them exclusively....and refuse to reach out and TAKE the gift, is an individual who REJECTS RECEIVING “their” gift.
YES, they have LOST “their” Salvation, by refusing to “RECEIVE” their salvation.

It is FALSE to teach, a man who HAS RECEIVED his Salvation...CAN THEN, lose it.

 

[Renniks]

Oh good grief.....You should know what it means.....YOU are the one who made claims FOR ME, that I DID NOT MAKE, then after YOU made FALSE claims FOR ME, you disagreed

What it means is YOU disagreed with YOURSELF!

So why lie, and claim I said I was “sinless” ?

Ok? You didn't claim real Christians don't sin?

 

[GRACE ambassador]

op: "Salvation is The GIFT Of ETERNAL Life - It's FOREVER"
Amen!

So, precious friend ... I'm trying to keep track of all these crazy doctrines.

God's FREE Gift Of ETERNAL Salvation is now a "crazy doctrine"? Will this kind
of thing Ever CEASE And DESIST?? Oh, ok, not until we "get to heaven," eh?

if you believe, you are saved no matter what?

What of the demons who are more certain than any human that God exists and is real and know His power well? Rest assured they will not be in heaven.

NOBODY said "believe, you are saved no matter what" The BIBLE Says:
"believe The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God!" Agree, devils WILL NOT be with
SAVED people, who JESUS Died For, in Heaven!

We need context

Amen! And, Even More Important = God's Context!:

Prophecy/Law for Israel = God "Required" faith + works, or ELSE "it was
DEAD faith" = EVERYBODY here, "knows by Now" about JAMES, correct?
Did you Also know, he WROTE Directly TO "the TWELVE tribes Of ISRAEL"
(James 1:1)
So, PLEASE, ALL "nosas" please STOP "wrongly COMBINING" this with, BUT:

Rightly Divide (2 Timothy 2:15) it From “Things That DIFFER!” {online},
God's Context Of:

GRACE/MYSTERY (Romans - Philemon) FOR: us, The Body Of CHRIST!

Where God Says "GRACE Cancels works," And vice-versa, Correct?:

"And if by GRACE, then is it no more of works: otherwise GRACE is no more GRACE.
But if it be of works, then is it no more GRACE: otherwise work is no more work."
(Romans 11:6)

12 DOZEN More Confirmations here, For "God's ETERNAL Salvation"
Because of HIS ALL-SUFFICIENT BLOOD For HIS Body Of CHRIST!:

God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST!
God's Eternal Assurance

Conclusion, WHICH Context is for us? OR:

Of course, this ALWAYS falls on DEAF ears, BECAUSE HIS Precious BLOOD IS

INsufficient, eh?

 

[Renniks]

The narrow gate

And it is nto just calvinism. That is the mistake many make, they are angry against the thought of eternal security because they are against calvinism.

One can be against calvinism and still believe in eternal security.

I believe in eternal security in a sense. I don't believe my every sin disqualifies me for heaven. But I also don't believe we CAN NOT deny Christ is we choose to. We are secure unless we choose to throw away our security.
There's just too much scripture evidence for people falling away into false belief.

 

[GEN2REV]

Drop their guard?

What is there but to think we are the elect? If we say we know we are, isn't that a thought? Until the judgement when we find out what God says about it?

Oh, you're one of those. Hard to tell who is who around here sometimes.

Do the elect wrestle not against demons? (Ephesians 6:12)
Do they not fight a fight? (1 Timothy 6:12)
Are they not to flee the things of the world? (1 Timothy 6:7-11)
Are they not to endure the battles of life? (Matthew 10:22)

Well, ... hadn't they better be on guard for the enemy and watch out? (Matthew 24:42; 26:41)

And, by the way, If Jesus tells us to watch out for His unexpected arrival, He is telling us that ANY of us can be lost if we don't maintain ourselves. (Matthew 24:42) Just like the unwise virgins who were being prepared for the wedding to Jesus but weren't ready. They did not make it to heaven.

 

[Enoch111]

We are secure unless we choose to throw away our security.

And why would any sane Christian "throw away" eternal security? I find this discussion about the loss of salvation laughable. Salvation includes the New Birth (regeneration) so just as a newborn baby cannot re-enter his mother's womb, a child of God cannot be unborn. And no genuinely regenerated child of God would wish to go back to his or her sinful ways. So the only issue is how God deals with those children of His who sin, and how they themselves are supposed to deal with their sins. And there is plenty of Scripture for that.

 

[GEN2REV]

Are you of the view that you cannot know if God accepts you until you stand before Him after you've died?

Paul is of that view.
Philippians 3:11
Philippians 3:12
Philippians 3:13
Philippians 3:14

 

[GRACE ambassador]

There's just too much scripture evidence for people falling away into false belief.

At my last "count" nosas has 16 cherry-picked
Obscure/Difficult/Dubious verses for their interpretation of "falling away"?

How about God's 12-DOZEN Plain and Clear Scriptures FOR:
God's FREE Gift Of ETERNAL Salvation???:

God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST!
God's Eternal Assurance

Ok, so I am no Different IF I "cherry-picked" Them?

At LEAST, hopefully According to This Bible "study" Rule:

(6) The Best "Interpretive" Commentary On The Bible Is :
The BIBLE Itself!

NEVER ever interpret The Many Plain Scriptures
by the "few" difficult verses, But, ALWAYS Always
Interpret the few Obscure/Difficult/Dubious verses
By ALL Of The MANY Plain and Clear Passages Of
God’s Pure And Holy Word!

Amen?

 

[farouk]

You're right G,
The NT is full of verses that show one could forfeit their salvation.

We cannot be saved by works without faith...
But the faith that saves us demands works.

...by those who were never truly saved in the first place....

 

[GodsGrace]

Why couldn't they?
OSAS is Part and partial of Calvinism. It very much a minority view though out church history.

I agree.
But not throughout church history.
Calvinism was based on some ideas of Augustine, 400AD, but the reformed faith began in 1500AD.

 

[GEN2REV]

NOBODY said "believe, you are saved no matter what" The BIBLE Says:
"believe The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God!" Agree, devils WILL NOT be with
SAVED people, who JESUS Died For, in Heaven!

Are you saying demons don't know about or believe the Gospel? They watched it all take place and their belief in God is greater than any human's.

Also good to note here that the demons were once angels in heaven. They were holier than any man ever could be and were sent to hell. That really does a number on OSAS.
2 Peter 2:4

 

[GRACE ambassador]

And why would any sane Christian "throw away" eternal security? I find this discussion about the loss of salvation laughable. Salvation includes the New Birth (regeneration) so just as a newborn baby cannot re-enter his mother's womb, a child of God cannot be unborn. And no genuinely regenerated child of God would wish to go back to his or her sinful ways. So the only issue is how God deals with those children of His who sin, and how they themselves are supposed to deal with their sins. And there is plenty of Scripture for that.

AMEN! The GREAT God And SAVIOUR Who Gave us
HIS FREE Gift, ALSO INCLUDED THIS:

2Ti 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but
of power, and of love, and of a SOUND MIND!" Amen?

Strange, is it not how all of the nosas folks have the "spirit of FEAR" of falling away, eh?

 

[GodsGrace]

Israel rings a bell. They thought they were elect and crucified christ.

Because they did not follow God's plan for them and went their own way.
Much like those that forfeit their salvation.