"Salvation" is the gift of Eternal Life - it's FOREVER.

[Eternally Grateful]

No, I'm not sinless my human nature does not allow for it, but I trust in the blood of the Lamb to wash me whiter than snow.

hopefully we all do..

 

[Cooper]

hopefully we all do..

If we all put our trust in Jesus, we might all be one with him, like it should be.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If we all put our trust in Jesus, we might all be one with him, like it should be.

yep..

Those of us adopted into his family are one with him.

 

[Cooper]

yep..

Those of us adopted into his family are one with him.

Except like all families, we tend to fall out. :)

Don't you think we ought to look to Jesus for our instruction rather than people, sometimes living hundreds of years later?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Except like all families, we tend to fall out. :)

Don't you think we ought to look to Jesus for our instruction rather than people, sometimes living hundreds of years later?

nah,

we can't fall out. because we could not climb in. if we can actually fall out. we had to climb in, You can;t have it both ways.

Grace is all of God. Not of works..lest anyone should boast.

Should we not depend on God and stop trying to depend on self?

 

[GEN2REV]

Your right, in that day many will say lord lord.

The osas person will be on his face unable to look up.

The legalistic person will profess all his works..and how he is not like the sinner.

remember who jesus said would go home justified

Yes, the sheep; those who are not workers of iniquity(sin) unlike the goats. The sheep are directed to His right and into everlasting salvation while the goats(those who sinned regularly - believing they were safe) are very shocked to be directed to His left into hellfire and eternal damnation.

And satisfyingly so; it makes no sense that God would punish those who strived to please Him while welcoming the filthy sinners, who rested on God's laurels, into the holiest heaven to live along side God and all the holy angels.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes, the sheep; those who are not workers of iniquity(sin) unlike the goats. The sheep are directed to His right and into everlasting salvation while the goats(those who sinned regularly - believing they were safe) are very shocked to be directed to His left into hellfire and eternal damnation.

And satisfyingly so; it makes no sense that God would punish those who strived to please Him while welcoming the filthy sinners, who rested on God's laurels, into the holiest heaven to live along side God and all the holy angels.

well as John said

those born of God can not sin, whoever sins has NEVER SEEN or KNOWN GOD.

So I agree. many think they are saved and are not.

in the same token, many think they are saved because of their works. and are not either.

Lets make sure we are not in one of these groups

 

[Cooper]

nah,

we can't fall out. because we could not climb in. if we can actually fall out. we had to climb in, You can;t have it both ways.

Grace is all of God. Not of works..lest anyone should boast.

Should we not depend on God and stop trying to depend on self?

My favourite text, "Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. (Proverbs 3:5-6 KJV)

Major theme:-
Psa_4:5 Offer the sacrifices of righteousness, and put your trust in the LORD.
Psa_37:3 Trust in the LORD, and do good; so shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed.
Psa_40:3 And he hath put a new song in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it, and fear, and shall trust in the LORD.
Psa_73:28 But it is good for me to draw near to God: I have put my trust in the Lord GOD, that I may declare all thy works.
Psa_115:10 O house of Aaron, trust in the LORD: he is their help and their shield.
Psa_115:11 Ye that fear the LORD, trust in the LORD: he is their help and their shield.
Psa_118:8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.
Psa_118:9 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in princes.
Psa_125:1 A Song of degrees. They that trust in the LORD shall be as mount Zion, which cannot be removed, but abideth for ever.
Pro_28:25 He that is of a proud heart stirreth up strife: but he that putteth his trust in the LORD shall be made fat.
Pro_29:25 The fear of man bringeth a snare: but whoso putteth his trust in the LORD shall be safe.
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[Eternally Grateful]

My favourite text, "Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. (Proverbs 3:5-6 KJV)

Major theme:-
Psa_4:5 Offer the sacrifices of righteousness, and put your trust in the LORD.
Psa_37:3 Trust in the LORD, and do good; so shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed.
Psa_40:3 And he hath put a new song in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it, and fear, and shall trust in the LORD.
Psa_73:28 But it is good for me to draw near to God: I have put my trust in the Lord GOD, that I may declare all thy works.
Psa_115:10 O house of Aaron, trust in the LORD: he is their help and their shield.
Psa_115:11 Ye that fear the LORD, trust in the LORD: he is their help and their shield.
Psa_118:8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.
Psa_118:9 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in princes.
Psa_125:1 A Song of degrees. They that trust in the LORD shall be as mount Zion, which cannot be removed, but abideth for ever.
Pro_28:25 He that is of a proud heart stirreth up strife: but he that putteth his trust in the LORD shall be made fat.
Pro_29:25 The fear of man bringeth a snare: but whoso putteth his trust in the LORD shall be safe.
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Yep

so who trusts the lord completely?

Those who believe in Gods promise of eternal life to all who will receive his grace gift.

or those who are trying to maintain their salvation by their own power and not fall away?

 

[GEN2REV]

well as John said

those born of God can not sin, whoever sins has NEVER SEEN or KNOWN GOD.

So I agree. many think they are saved and are not.

in the same token, many think they are saved because of their works. and are not either.

Lets make sure we are not in one of these groups

Deal.

Then there are those who know they are not saved until it is all said and done. Knowing it is something you work toward.

Like Paul:

"If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus"
Philippians 3:11-14

 

[Cooper]

Yep
so who trusts the lord completely?
Those who believe in Gods promise of eternal life to all who will receive his grace gift.
or those who are trying to maintain their salvation by their own power and not fall away?

The red one you idiot.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Deal.

Then there are those who know they are not saved until it is all said and done. Knowing it is something you work toward.

lol. If you are this way, You have not understood the word. nor that fact you have been saved, and have been given eternal life.

Like Paul:

"If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus"
Philippians 3:11-14

No one is resurrected yet.

Yet this same paul said to be absent from the body was to be present with the lord. We should all press on. Not in order to save ourselves. But because like paul we want to please our father.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The red one you idiot.

the red one are osas believers, But unlike you, I will not call you an idiot.

 

[Cooper]

the red one are osas believers, But unlike you, I will not call you an idiot.

Doesn't everyone believe our glorious and gracious God, is the giver of eternal life?

Nobody with any sense is doing this:
trying to maintain their salvation by their own power and not fall away?

 

[GEN2REV]

lol. If you are this way, You have not understood the word. nor that fact you have been saved, and have been given eternal life.

I'd say Paul was holier and more accomplished than either of us, especially after visiting with Jesus in person on the road to Damascus. Yet, like him, "I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus." because what I understand is that we are to work out our salvation with fear and trembling for reverence of God and anticipation of the possibility of hell. For those in Christ will be judged first.
Philippians 3:14
Philippians 2:12
1 Peter 4:17

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Doesn't everyone believe our glorious and gracious God, is the giver of eternal life?

Nobody with any sense is doing this:
trying to maintain their salvation by their own power and not fall away?

Everyone I know says they do.

But when you hear them talk. They really do not

They teach we should be afraid we can fall away. Now how can they claim to rely on Christ if they are relying on themselves to keep themselves from falling away

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I'd say Paul was holier and more accomplished than either of us, especially after visiting with Jesus in person on the road to Damascus. Yet, like him, "I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus." because what I understand is that we are to work out our salvation with fear and trembling for reverence of God and anticipation of the possibility of hell. For those in Christ will be judged first.
Philippians 3:14
Philippians 2:12
1 Peter 4:17

Well see thats just it
Paul said work out your salvation. Which means you have it not that you were trying to work to keep it.

Paul always worried he would be unqualified to give the gospel because he did something that made people question him,,

We all should be worried about that/

If we are worried we may lose eternal life though? Where is our faith in God? Eternal life is based on his promise. Not how good we are. We can’t be good enough

 

[GEN2REV]

If we are worried we may lose eternal life though? Where is our faith in God? Eternal life is based on his promise. Not how good we are. We can’t be good enough

Are you worried you will go to jail when you drive down the street obeying the speed limit, the traffic laws and driving sensibly - intending to obey the laws and not breaking any that you are aware of? You shouldn't be.

I don't "worry" about losing eternal life; but you better believe I'm confident God will deal with me if I step outta line. And I'm grateful for that. My faith is more solid than a decade ago - through much trial and tribulation. I have no worry about losing my salvation, but I know for certain that I could if I were to throw away all the wonderful things God has given me and reject His divine protection and guidance. If I were to return to the deep sinful waters that I was pulled from, I would be in danger of drowning in them.

Psalms 18:16-20

 

[ScottA]

That would be the half that is true.

Quotable.

"half"...and therein lies the problem.

Thanks for making your position perfectly clear!

 

[Cooper]

Quotable.

"half"...and therein lies the problem.

Thanks for making your position perfectly clear!

I do not understand you.