"Salvation" is the gift of Eternal Life - it's FOREVER.

[Cooper]

Clearly, there is something more to it in light of the scriptures I presented.

And you come with yet another baseless accusation. It is the OSAS proponents who believe they are holier than the angels who were damned for their disobedience.

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
(2 Peter 2:1-2 KJV)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

False, false and more false.

We meet the standard when we live daily in humble submission to God and His ways, walking after the example of Christ; striving for perfection and feeling true remorse and repenting of any and all unintentional sin. That is living IN CHRIST and thus HE is what God sees in our place. HE makes us worthy when we live IN HIM.

If you stray from that standard of living, you CAN be lost. Just as scripture plainly states. And the great falling away is another example of Christians departing from the faith and being lost.

false false and more false.

The standard is perfection. just 1 sin, even if it was a mistake is enough to make you fallen short of the glory of God.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Clearly, there is something more to it in light of the scriptures I presented.

And you come with yet another baseless accusation. It is the OSAS proponents who believe they are holier than the angels who were damned for their disobedience.

excuse me, But it is the NOSAS folks who are in essence saying they are the holy ones.

Those who rely on their faith in Christ admit their sin and their inability to meet Gods standard (perfection)

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

I’ve noticed a few people on here recently saying they dont sin because they are christians now.
1 john makes it clear, if you say you have no sin, then the truth is not in you. In other words, you aint a member of His Kingdom. Im not judging anyone, im merely stating for you non-sinners that 1 john calls you out.

 

[GEN2REV]

... you obviously have a beef with OSAS proponents.

Can't get anything past you.

What gave it away?

 

[GEN2REV]

I’ve noticed a few people on here recently saying they dont sin because they are christians now.
1 john makes it clear, if you say you have no sin, then the truth is not in you. In other words, you aint a member of His Kingdom. Im not judging anyone, im merely stating for you non-sinners that 1 john calls you out.

I dare you to find a single post in this entire thread where somebody claimed to never sin.

That oughta keep you busy for a while if you're honest. Unfortunately ...

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

I dare you to find a single post in this entire thread where somebody claimed to never sin.

That oughta keep you busy for a while if you're honest. Unfortunately ...

YOU!!!!! You deny that you sin. Im wondering if you are robert derrick are one and the same. Yall both say the same thing. At the very least, i’d like to know which denomination you’re from so i can put the wackydoodle sticker beside it.

 

[ScottA]

Jesus said, we are known by our fruit and when I see people saying they are always saved regardless, I immediately remember this, and think to myself, "these people are not saved."

"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. (Matthew 7:15-20 KJV)
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Yeah, but unfortunately you are not on the right side of it. You are not including and reconciling all scripture. What you are doing is like the Pharisees stopping at the law and not entering in, not having a full understanding.

 

[Cooper]

This is the day

Yeah, but unfortunately you are not on the right side of it. You are not including and reconciling all scripture. What you are doing is like the Pharisees stopping at the law and not entering in, not having a full understanding.

Tell that to Jesus. He said it. Should I put in a complaint for you?

 

[GEN2REV]

excuse me, But it is the NOSAS folks who are in essence saying they are the holy ones.

Those who rely on their faith in Christ admit their sin and their inability to meet Gods standard (perfection)

Gotta give it to ya. NOSAS is perfect. (No sass!)

Don't sass us with your OSAS!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Gotta give it to ya. NOSAS is perfect. (No sass!)

Don't sass us with your OSAS!

for ALL have (are) sinned (sinning) and fall short of the glory of God

If I can't meet Gods standard before or after salvation.

It seems odd to claim I can lose salvation. because I did not live up to the standard or failed to keep myself at some level of sin which God requires.

 

[Cooper]

for ALL have (are) sinned (sinning) and fall short of the glory of God

If I can't meet Gods standard before or after salvation.

It seems odd to claim I can lose salvation. because I did not live up to the standard or failed to keep myself at some level of sin which God requires.

It is for sins against God. Blasphemy is one and anyone who does that, I think, deserves to be in trouble. I reckon denying Jesus amounts to blasphemy and there is plenty of that done on the forums.

Only the one sinned against, can offer forgiveness. Your neighbour can forgive you for sins committed against him, but only God can forgive sins against him. So I reckon sins against God are the unforgivable sins. Just my opinion and I'm not going to argue it. There's no point arguing anything on here.
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[GEN2REV]

for ALL have (are) sinned (sinning) and fall short of the glory of God

Yes, all have sinned and all are born into sin. Thus the need for redemption, a redeemer, salvation, etc. The super uber short Cliff's Notes version of the Bible is that the theme of the entire Bible (OT&NT) is Redemption. Redeeming oneself from Original Sin.

In the OT man had to use the blood of animals to redeem himself if he sinned. (*NOTE: there is a specific sacrifice for accidental sin*). In the NT man is redeemed by the Blood of Christ.(Which proves that the 10 Commandments are still in effect or there would be no sin anymore.) Did the sacrifice in the OT for sin cleanse a man forever? Nope. Does getting saved, baptized, committing oneself to Christ cleanse a man forever? Nope.

All sins committed after salvation must be confessed, repented of and put away for good. The Holy Spirit helps us with that. No, we're not capable on our own.

That's it in a nutshell.

Do you not know that Christians are in a spiritual WAR? The Bible makes it plain. Ephesians 6:12 What do we wrestle against, or what war is there, in Once Saved Always Saved? That's a permanent vacation. That's like saying you've already departed from this fallen world. But you haven't.

It seems odd to claim I can lose salvation. because I did not live up to the standard or failed to keep myself at some level of sin which God requires.

That's because you're brainwashed like 98% of Christianity. To think that God actually requires something of you is an insult and an outrage. Modern Christians are spoiled-brat Christians. They can't be bothered to study their Bibles and the idea that they actually have to work for their salvation, just as the Bible makes clear, is preposterous to them.

It's a tragedy. And many will say "Lord, Lord" with profound confusion that they are being rejected.

 

[Cooper]

for ALL have (are) sinned (sinning) and fall short of the glory of God

If I can't meet Gods standard before or after salvation.

It seems odd to claim I can lose salvation. because I did not live up to the standard or failed to keep myself at some level of sin which God requires.

Well, there you have it.

 

[ScottA]

This is the day

Tell that to Jesus. He said it. Should I put in a complaint for you?

You tell Jesus. Go ahead. He will tell you the truth.

But if you do what you have been doing here, you'll only get half of what He says.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It is for sins against God. Blasphemy is one and anyone who does that, I think, deserves to be in trouble. I reckon denying Jesus amounts to blasphemy and there is plenty of that done on the forums.

Only the one sinned against, can offer forgiveness. Your neighbour can forgive you for sins committed against him, but only God can forgive sins against him. So I reckon sins against God are the unforgivable sins. Just my opinion and I'm not going to argue it. There's no point arguing anything on here.
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well everyone who rejects the gospel has committed the unpardonable sin. Denying christ would be rejecting the gospel.

That person would also be an Antichrist. and John said they were never of us.

They did not lose salvation, they never had it.

God did not make a mistake by giving a person eternal life. then make it conditional life after he gave it..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes, all have sinned and all are born into sin. Thus the need for redemption, a redeemer, salvation, etc. The super uber short Cliff's Notes version of the Bible is that the theme of the entire Bible (OT&NT) is Redemption. in the OT man had to use the blood of animals to redeem himself if he sinned. (*NOTE: there is a specific sacrifice for accidental sin*). In the NT man is redeemed by the Blood of Christ.(Which proves that the 10 Commandments are still in effect or there would be no sin anymore.) Did the sacrifice in the OT for sin cleanse a man forever? Nope. Does getting saved, baptized, committing oneself to Christ cleanse a man forever? Nope.

All sins committed after salvation must be repented of and put away for good. The Holy Spirit helps us with that. No, we're not capable on our own.

That's it in a nutshell.

If this is true, then Christ would need to come back and die again, Because his sacrifice only paid for past sin and not future.

Your right the law is not done away with. It still requires that we confirm and obey every word. As james said, if we keep the whole law yet stumble in one point we are guilty.

If Christs death only paid for past sin, then the next sin you commit places you in condemnation forever. because we cvant crucity chriust again for those new sins.

Do you not know that Christians are in a spiritual WAR? The Bible makes it plain. Ephesians 6:12 What do we wrestle against, or what war is there, in Once Saved Always Saved? That's a permanent vacation. That's like saying you've already departed from this fallen world. But you haven't.
That's because you're brainwashed like 98% of Christianity. To think that God actually requires something of you is an insult and an outrage. Modern Christians are spoiled-brat Christians. They can't be bothered to study their Bibles and the idea that they actually have to work for their salvation, just as the Bible makes clear, is preposterous to them.

It's a tragedy. And many will say "Lord, Lord" with profound confusion that they are being rejected.

This just proves you do not understand eternal security at all.

John said we can know we have eternal life and BY THAT KNOWLEDGE continue to believe.

Without that knowledge you have to depend on self. There is no security in that. Thats why lawyers get made at faith alone people. because just like the pharisee they are being told their work accounts for nothing. Well thats it

Your right, in that day many will say lord lord.

The osas person will be on his face unable to look up.

The legalistic person will profess all his works..and how he is not like the sinner.

remember who jesus said would go home justified

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Well, there you have it.

yep, are you sinless?

If not.. you fail to meet Gods standard.

last I read/ only one man can make that claim, He died on the cross

 

[Cooper]

You tell Jesus. Go ahead. He will tell you the truth.

But if you do what you have been doing here, you'll only get half of what He says.

Jesus gives us the whole truth while the Pharasees and their modern day counterparts can be safely ignored. The Pharisees thought they were sinless didn't they? Now that does make you think. No way would I want to be compared to them, but the OSAS people are unmistakably like them in their pride.

 

[Cooper]

yep, are you sinless?

If not.. you fail to meet Gods standard.

last I read/ only one man can make that claim, He died on the cross

No, I'm not sinless my human nature does not allow for it, but I trust in the blood of the Lamb to wash me whiter than snow.