Here is what it all comes down to—- and you’d better get it right!

[amigo de christo]

Eternal life is a new relationship untouchable by sin. Because it's found in Jesus, not me. I'm only reconciled because I'm immersed into God's Son, therefore I am a son. Not because I'm "good", not because I "don't sin", not because I anything. Because Jesus.

Blessed is the man to whom God will not impute sin. Who is that man/Man?

Baptized/immersed into Jesus.

Much love!

IF we are baptized into his death , then the ol man is crucified with him .
By their fruits ye shall know them .
We are HIS to whom we obey . The proof of whose we are .
FOR IF JESUS is in us , IF THE SPIRIT is in us , IF we are LED by the SPIRIT , well lets just say the SPIRIT wont lead us INTO SIN
but rather to flee even the appearance of evil .
SO why do i see churches today saying things like God made men and women gay . And that HE is fine with this .
DO YOU THINK they speak FROM GOD , from the SPIRIT , OR THE FLESH . Exactly .
I see too many pastors turning the grace of GOD into a license to sin . Its got so bad now
that even many christains , SO CALLED , are saying GOD is even fine with all religoins . TALK ABOUT DECEPTOIN .
BUT i say this to remind us that leaven always starts small . IF one compromises one sin , REST ASSURED they will only get worse .
As have the churches . Mark , i dont know if you know anything about seeker friendly . BUT IT WAS BAD NEWS my friend .
YES IT WAS . Killed what was left of many churches . Cause when we stop correcting error , WHAT TAKES OVER THE CHURCH ,
ONLY MORE ERROR . ERROR ALWAYS BEGETS MORE ERROR .

 

[marks]

Here is an argument against your interpretation of a promise.

I may come back to look at more. The fact is, I've written about each of these so many times . . . none of these passages say that the born again may yet be lost.

Some of the passages you mention even make the case for OSAS stronger when you dig into them, just like in Hebrews 10:38-39.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Jesus wont ask us why we should enter into heaven . But if HE DID , the only answer i can find is this , CAUSE YOU DIED FOR ME .
Cause that alone is the only reason anyone will enter heaven . BUT one must BELEIVE THAT . If not they gonna see the lake of fire .
FAITH IN JESUS SAVES , faith in men and popes and many protestants , wont save . TOO many are deceiving us these days my friend .
The absolute only one i can trust in , IS JESUS . NOW CASH THAT IN at the CELESTIAL BANK . THAT DEPOSIT IS GOOD .

This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only True God, and Jesus Christ, Whom You have sent.

It's all about Who we know.

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only True God, and Jesus Christ, Whom You have sent.

It's all about Who we know.

Much love!

You spot on right my friend . ITS all about who we KNOW .
But what if some are Knowing another jesus and not THE JESUS . These are deadly dangerous times my friend .
My heart is for the people . My love is for the people . Though the more i love the less i be loved .
Let us learn THE JESUS for ourselves . AND as some already know , LEARN the BIBLICAL ONE . LEARN all the apostels doctrine .
From paul to james to john to all . LEARN IT ALL . EVERY WORD is for our good . I see TRUTH as only GOOD FOR THE SOUL .

 

[marks]

You spot on right my friend . ITS all about who we KNOW .
But what if some are Knowing another jesus and not THE JESUS . These are deadly dangerous times my friend .
My heart is for the people . My love is for the people . Though the more i love the less i be loved .
Let us learn THE JESUS for ourselves . AND as some already know , LEARN the BIBLICAL ONE . LEARN all the apostels doctrine .
From paul to james to john to all . LEARN IT ALL . EVERY WORD is for our good . I see TRUTH as only GOOD FOR THE SOUL .

This is how we do so well to spend all the time we can in the Bible, and not in other books, other teachers, they are good, when they are right, but we need to know the Bible inside and out, so we can know when our teachers are right, and when they are not.

Yes, very dangerous times! We need the protection of knowing God's Word, so we can know whether or not we know God.

Much love!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

The Unsaved man has one “ Dog” in Him.....a Black One( representing the old, adamic nature) .....The Saved man has Two Dogs in Him .....that Black one and a White One( representing the Holy Spirit— Given to the man when he became a Believer in Jesus) .....they will be at war constantly as long as the man is alive in a Body Of Flesh ( this represents Spiritual Warfare—- ever hear of it? ) Some Times The Black Dog will win and sometimes the White dog will win .Whichever Dog is FED the most will dominate......A wise man will feed the White Dog with Bible Study and Prayer and be rewarded for it and an unwise man will continue to feed the Black Dog with neglecting the things of God and giving into temptations regularly and reap Punishment for doing these things.....

Perhaps you like being punished and hate being rewarded .....sane men will do the opposite and that old Black Dog will get smaller and smaller with time.....

The problem is when a person chooses to willfully and deliberately live for the black dog and turn his back on Christ in unbelief. That person will not be saved when Jesus comes back. Unless he repents. If he is allowed to repent. No unbelieving person is saved.

 

[marks]

The problem is when a person chooses to willfully and deliberately live for the black dog and turn his back on Christ in unbelief.

This will be addressed in accordance with Hebrews 12.

Hebrews 12:6-11 KJV
6) For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7) If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8) But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9) Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10) For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11) Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

God WILL chasten us if needed. His chastening WILL be effective. IF you are His child. If you are not chastened, you are not His. If you are His, He will not let you just run off.

Is that what a Good Shepherd does? No it is not.

Much love!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Paul is talking about Gospel Rejectors.....and what their lives are full of....if you are a Gospel Believer you will be Saved.

That's what I've been saying. The habitual, unrepentant, willful sinner is a Christ rejecter, not a believer. That's why his sin condemns him. He does not believe in Christ for his sins to be forgiven through Christ. He will go to the lake of fire at the end of the age. Unless he repents.

See, your Progressive Hyper Grace theology has invented this person who they say believes, yet purposely lives in unrepentant habitual sin in a Christ rejecting unbelief. That's an oxymoron. No such person exists. You can't be a believer and a willfully sinning Christ rejecting sinner at the same time. You're deceiving people by telling them they are saved in the unbelief of their willful sinning. Sometimes you seem to be saying the right thing, that saved believing people can't live in sin because God will make sure they don't. But then you turn right around and say 'Christians' who live in sin in unbelief are saved. You really kind of gotta make up your mind which one you're going to go with because both can't be true.

 

[Truman]

Ever hear of the unbelieving heart of the believer?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

The Unsaved man is usually an obvious Sinning Fool .

That is exactly what I've been saying. Unbelief is signified by willful, unrepentant, habitual sin. That's why people who live like that won't be saved when Jesus comes back. They are Christ rejecters. They are in unbelief. They can give lip service all they want to God's grace but their lives deny the presence of the grace they claim to have.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Ever hear of the unbelieving heart of the believer?

No, because that would make him, by definition, in regard to the gospel, an unbeliever.

What I have heard of is the doubt of the believer. Like when John the Baptist—a man born with the Holy Spirit from birth and called by Jesus the greatest among all men born of women, who saw the dove descend on Jesus and heard the voice of God from heaven tell him Jesus is the Son of God—had to ask if Jesus was really the One to come.

 

[amigo de christo]

That is exactly what I've been saying. Unbelief is signified by willful, unrepentant, habitual sin. That's why people who live like that won't be saved when Jesus comes back. They are Christ rejecters. They are in unbelief. They can give lip service all they want to God's grace but their lives deny the grace they claim to have.

Paul knew that as well my friend . He said dont be deceived for these very things cometh the wrath of GOD . THUS DONT BE PARTAKERS
with them . Folks forget things real fast . But the truth is , WHO we obey is truly whose we are .
Many , LIKE I ONCE DID , can lip the name of JESUS , but be loving their sins . Those , LIKE I ONCE WAS , DENY JESUS IN HEART
and do not know Him .

 

[amigo de christo]

Now i have three words for the peoples this evening . PRAISE THE LORD .

 

[amigo de christo]

Something else i have learned , there is no such thing as too much praise or thanksgiving unto the LORD .
So let the hands fly up and the praises out unto the glorious Lord .

 

[Truman]

I take that is a no. later: I guess this is seen as promoting a ministry, so I'll remove it and know better next time.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

David lived in sin.....he was doing just fine with his murderous and Adulteress life until Nathan called him out.....he had Repented of Nothing until he more or less “ had” to.....was he an Unbeliever during this time period ? David was as despicable as a man could be, yet he never lost his Salvation....he lost the JOY of his Salvation.....big difference....

I don't recall David purposely sinning out of a willful and conscious decision to abandon God. I do recall a weak David caving into his temptation and then trying to cover it up out of fear. But, nonetheless, had he not repented in humility when confronted with his sin he would be scheduled to be tossed into the lake of fire when Jesus comes back. His refusal to repent would be the rejection of God that would cause him to earn the wages of his sin. You can't have the protection of God whom you have rejected.

 

[BarneyFife]

I may come back to look at more. The fact is, I've written about each of these so many times . . . none of these passages say that the born again may yet be lost.

Some of the passages you mention even make the case for OSAS stronger when you dig into them, just like in Hebrews 10:38-39.

Much love!

I wasn't really trying to make a case against eternal security. I was merely copying something I'd shared before to disprove that arguments have never been made, as per the claim made by @Blood Bought 1953 . :)

 

[Ferris Bueller]

These words that you have spoken to me are a prime example of what bad religion and legalism breed... a "superior attitude". An attitude that I am good because I am way better than that drunk guy down the street.... and I am way better than that guy at the coffee shop covered in tattoos. Plus for a bonus... I'm way better than many of my brothers and sisters in Christ because well... I'm just so good.

Legalism = depending on self-will to be good... and the results are always hypocrisy and living in hidden sin. I've seen this so many times through out the years.

I do not enjoy being made to feel l am one step away from being pounced on. I walked away from my own family because I could not stomach being in their presence... they literally made me nauseous....

Spending the day in here yesterday gave me the same feeling...all the crocodiles just lying in wait for someone to attack.

It's disturbing to say the least... all the twisting of words... the endless accusations of abusing Grace... It's become old... and so repetitive... not to mention absolutely offensive.

Yesterday I placed Grailhunter on Ignore because I could not stomach reading any more of his twisted words.... and this morning... after receiving the above quote by you... I have decided that this is also where you belong.... The two of you together... can gloat about how good each of you is.

If you start hanging around real Christians in small non-denominational churches you will not be subjected to the legalism of the unsaved in the major denominations. Try it. You'll find humble, level-headed, Spirit filled people there to fellowship with. Not perfect people. But real people of God who know the falseness of, both, legalism and Hyper Grace theology.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I want you to show specifically and exactly in detail what you call this "unrighteousness" and differentiate it from a regular Believer sinning?

The unrighteous person lives in sin as a matter of unrepentant lifestyle. The righteous person does not. He can't, because he has been born of God:

"...let no one deceive you: The one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as Christ is righteous.e 8The one who practices sin is of the devil... 9Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10By this the children of God are distinguished from the children of the devil: Anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God" 1 John 3:7-10
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Progressive Hyper Grace theology insists John is wrong about this.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I would ask, that if you care to understand where I'm coming from, to listen to this video.
Otherwise, you guys got your heads in boxes. Suit yourself.

I listened to it.