The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !

[brightfame52]

Christ died for the Family of God !

Eph 3:14-15

14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,

15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,

This is the Family that Adam represented in the beginning, all those who were Chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:726

That's the Family of God through Jesus Christ !

 

[brightfame52]

Christ died for the Family of God ! 2

The Family of God are those of the Household of the Faith Gal 6:10

As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

Because those of the Faith are the Sons of God Gal 3:26

For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Now Adam, in the Beginning was a Son of God Lk 3:38

38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

So, Adam was the Natural representative of the Son's of God, and we find out just who were in Adam in the beginning when God Created him in His image and Likeness, whenever one comes to Faith in Christ Jesus, those are the Children or Sons of God manifested by their Faith in Christ, the Seed of the Women .

 

[ChristisGod]

Christ died for the Family of God !

Eph 3:14-15

14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,

15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,

This is the Family that Adam represented in the beginning, all those who were Chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:726

That's the Family of God through Jesus Christ !

Why do you add to Scripture ?

God curses those who add to scripture.

Where in your verse you quoted does it say what you claimed ?

Christ died for the family of God ?

You made that up like everything else you say. I would hate to be you when this day arrives.

James 3:1
Do not let many be teachers, my brothers, having known that we will receive greater judgment,

Matthew 23:14
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

 

[brightfame52]

Why do you add to Scripture ?

God curses those who add to scripture.

Where in your verse you quoted does it say what you claimed ?

Christ died for the family of God ?

You made that up like everything else you say. I would hate to be you when this day arrives.

James 3:1
Do not let many be teachers, my brothers, having known that we will receive greater judgment,

Matthew 23:14
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

I havent added to the word of God, Christ did die for the family of God, His brethren ! He was their kinsman redeemer.

 

[ChristisGod]

I havent added to the word of God, Christ did die for the family of God, His brethren ! He was their kinsman redeemer.

Your verse doesn't say that you made it up.

 

[ChristisGod]

I havent added to the word of God, Christ did die for the family of God, His brethren ! He was their kinsman redeemer.

@amadeus I did not know you were a CALVINIST and believed in limited atonement and irresistible grace. I thought you believed that Jesus died for all the world, every man not just the elect, those predestined to salvation before the world was created.

Do you believe all of TULIP ?

 

[amadeus]

@amadeus I did not know you were a CALVINIST and believed in limited atonement and irresistible grace. I thought you believed that Jesus died for all the world, every man not just the elect, those predestined to salvation before the world was created.

Do you believe all of TULIP ?

I am not a Calvinist. Quite the contrary. Did I post something that made you ask that?

 

[brightfame52]

To redeem them under the Law !

Gal 4:4-5

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

The Adoption of Sons, the same as here Eph 1:5

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Same Greek word in Both huiothesia.

Now back to our text Gal 4:5 because it really identifies for us exactly whom Christ came up under the Law to redeem specifically.

Now who was that ? Heb 2:16-17728

16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

It was for the Seed of Abraham, His Brethren, the Chosen People of God. Jesus Christ did not come to redeem all mankind as many False teachers would tell us.

Lets look at another scripture Lk 1:68

68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,

The redemption here is the same as here Eph 1:7

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

This is a Chosen People Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

And we know Israel in Lk 1:68 is a Chosen People , So why would this be a different Chosen People and different Redemption ?

Again the redeemed People in Eph 1:7 receive Forgiveness of sins

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

And the redeemed Chosen Israel in Lk 1:68 receives the Knoweldge of the forgiveness of sins Lk 1:68,77

77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,

Now we have Three corresponding Truths of the redeemed People here in Luke and Ephesians,#1 they are Chosen People, they are a Redeemed People, and 3 They are a forgiven People.

And of course those Christ came to redeem that were under the Law as Per Gal 4:4-5 to receive the Adoption of Sons, its the same said of those Chosen in Christ before the Foundation to receive the Adoption of Sons through Jesus Christ Eph 1:4-5.

And yet false religion tells us these are different sets of People. These are the only People Christ came to redeem !

 

[ChristisGod]

I am not a Calvinist. Quite the contrary. Did I post something that made you ask that?

you agreed with brightfame who is a hyper calvinist in post 2024 where he made an assumption that the bible does not say in the verse he quoted. he was adding to scripture his own idea on the verse he quoted that scripture did not say.

 

[amadeus]

you agreed with brightfame who is a hyper calvinist in post 2024 where he made an assumption that the bible does not say in the verse he quoted. he was adding to scripture his own idea on the verse he quoted that scripture did not say.

I gave him a 'like' which I sometimes do even though I may disagree generally with the person or even specifically with the post. I have not read enough post by @brightfame52 to have real knowledge of his beliefs.

I had a close friend who died from cancer [Dorian37Grey on this forum; or Patrick] a couple of years ago who was very strongly versed on the "kinsman redeemer". It was the mention of that subject, which caused me to give the post a 'like'. Not many people on forums these days talk about that and many others do not even recognize the reference from the OT.

 

[ChristisGod]

I gave him a 'like' which I sometimes do even though I may disagree generally with the person or even specifically with the post. I have not read enough post by @brightfame52 to have real knowledge of his beliefs.

I had a close friend who died from cancer [Dorian37Grey on this forum; or Patrick] a couple of years ago who was very strongly versed on the "kinsman redeemer". It was the mention of that subject, which caused me to give the post a 'like'. Not many people on forums these days talk about that and many others do not even recognize the reference from the OT.

Yes the kinsman redeemer is a great topic of study as is the scarlet thread of redemption.

 

[amadeus]

Yes the kinsman redeemer is a great topic of study as is the scarlet thread of redemption.

It has probably been years since I heard anyone mention the scarlet thread. Thank you for your kindness and your input here! May God richly bless you as you walk with Him!

 

[brightfame52]

To redeem them under the Law !2

Those Jesus came to redeem, He legally must have been a kinsmen, not a physical kinsmen, but a Spiritual one, yet typified by the physical as in the redemption laws of Israel. He was what is called a kinsmen Redeemer . This is why Physical Israel was Created to qualify as a Type, an figure, and so Christ came to redeem His Kinsmen the Seed of Abraham Heb 2:16-17

16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

Lk 1:68-73

68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,

69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;

70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;

72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;

73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,

Christ came to redeem His People, Kinsmen, for He is the Seed of Abraham Gal 3:16

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Salvation, Redemption, those things are based upon a Promise to Abraham's Seed !

John Gill writes on Lk 1:68:

for he hath visited, and redeemed his people; as he did Israel of old, Exodus 3:16 when the Lord looked upon them, and delivered them out of the bondage of Egypt, and which was a type and resemblance of redemption by Christ; and to which reference here seems to be had. The "people" here said to be visited, and redeemed, design all the elect of God, not only among the Jews, but Gentiles also; all those whom God has chosen to be his people, and has in his covenant taken and declared to be such; whom he has given to Christ, as his people and portion; for whose sins he was stricken, and made reconciliation, and whom he saves from their sins.

Now to say the least, we should know from scripture that everyone in the world without exception are not of the Seed of Abraham, and therefore Christ bares no Kinsmen relation to , to be their Redeemer. Now all those Chosen in Christ, the Seed of Abraham, Chosen in Him before the world began Eph 1:4, He bares that Kinsmen Redeemer Relationship to, all others outside of that Spiritual Israel, have no part !

 

[ChristisGod]

It has probably been years since I heard anyone mention the scarlet thread. Thank you for your kindness and your input here! May God richly bless you as you walk with Him!

Yes us old farts can remember those good old days :)

 

[amadeus]

To redeem them under the Law !2

Those Jesus came to redeem, He legally must have been a kinsmen, not a physical kinsmen, but a Spiritual one, yet typified by the physical as in the redemption laws of Israel. He was what is called a kinsmen Redeemer . This is why Physical Israel was Created to qualify as a Type, an figure, and so Christ came to redeem His Kinsmen the Seed of Abraham Heb 2:16-17

16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

Lk 1:68-73

68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,

69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;

70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;

72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;

73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,

Christ came to redeem His People, Kinsmen, for He is the Seed of Abraham Gal 3:16

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Salvation, Redemption, those things are based upon a Promise to Abraham's Seed !

John Gill writes on Lk 1:68:

for he hath visited, and redeemed his people; as he did Israel of old, Exodus 3:16 when the Lord looked upon them, and delivered them out of the bondage of Egypt, and which was a type and resemblance of redemption by Christ; and to which reference here seems to be had. The "people" here said to be visited, and redeemed, design all the elect of God, not only among the Jews, but Gentiles also; all those whom God has chosen to be his people, and has in his covenant taken and declared to be such; whom he has given to Christ, as his people and portion; for whose sins he was stricken, and made reconciliation, and whom he saves from their sins.

Now to say the least, we should know from scripture that everyone in the world without exception are not of the Seed of Abraham, and therefore Christ bares no Kinsmen relation to , to be their Redeemer. Now all those Chosen in Christ, the Seed of Abraham, Chosen in Him before the world began Eph 1:4, He bares that Kinsmen Redeemer Relationship to, all others outside of that Spiritual Israel, have no part !

If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her.
And it shall be, that the firstborn which she beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother which is dead, that his name be not put out of Israel.
And if the man like not to take his brother's wife, then let his brother's wife go up to the gate unto the elders, and say, My husband's brother refuseth to raise up unto his brother a name in Israel, he will not perform the duty of my husband's brother.
Then the elders of his city shall call him, and speak unto him: and if he stand to it, and say, I like not to take her;
Then shall his brother's wife come unto him in the presence of the elders, and loose his shoe from off his foot, and spit in his face, and shall answer and say, So shall it be done unto that man that will not build up his brother's house.
And his name shall be called in Israel, The house of him that hath his shoe loosed." Deut 25:5-10

"And he said, Who art thou? And she answered, I am Ruth thine handmaid: spread therefore thy skirt over thine handmaid; for thou art a near kinsman.
And he said, Blessed be thou of the LORD, my daughter: for thou hast showed more kindness in the latter end than at the beginning, inasmuch as thou followedst not young men, whether poor or rich.
And now, my daughter, fear not; I will do to thee all that thou requirest: for all the city of my people doth know that thou art a virtuous woman.
And now it is true that I am thy near kinsman: howbeit there is a kinsman nearer than I.
Tarry this night, and it shall be in the morning, that if he will perform unto thee the part of a kinsman, well; let him do the kinsman's part: but if he will not do the part of a kinsman to thee, then will I do the part of a kinsman to thee, as the LORD liveth: lie down until the morning.
And she lay at his feet until the morning: and she rose up before one could know another. And he said, Let it not be known that a woman came into the floor.
Also he said, Bring the veil that thou hast upon thee, and hold it. And when she held it, he measured six measures of barley, and laid it on her: and she went into the city.
And when she came to her mother in law, she said, Who art thou, my daughter? And she told her all that the man had done to her." Ruth 3:9-16

"Then went Boaz up to the gate, and sat him down there: and, behold, the kinsman of whom Boaz spake came by; unto whom he said, Ho, such a one! turn aside, sit down here. And he turned aside, and sat down.
And he took ten men of the elders of the city, and said, Sit ye down here. And they sat down.
And he said unto the kinsman, Naomi, that is come again out of the country of Moab, selleth a parcel of land, which was our brother Elimelech's:
And I thought to advertise thee, saying, Buy it before the inhabitants, and before the elders of my people. If thou wilt redeem it, redeem it: but if thou wilt not redeem it, then tell me, that I may know: for there is none to redeem it beside thee; and I am after thee. And he said, I will redeem it.
Then said Boaz, What day thou buyest the field of the hand of Naomi, thou must buy it also of Ruth the Moabitess, the wife of the dead, to raise up the name of the dead upon his inheritance.
And the kinsman said, I cannot redeem it for myself, lest I mar mine own inheritance: redeem thou my right to thyself; for I cannot redeem it." Ruth 4:1-6

"Moreover Ruth the Moabitess, the wife of Man, have I purchased to be my wife, to raise up the name of the dead upon his inheritance, that the name of the dead be not cut off from among his brethren, and from the gate of his place: ye are witnesses this day." Ruth 4:10

So Boaz took Ruth, and she was his wife: and when he went in unto her, the LORD gave her conception, and she bare a son.
And the women said unto Naomi, Blessed be the LORD, which hath not left thee this day without a kinsman, that his name may be famous in Israel.
And he shall be unto thee a restorer of thy life, and a nourisher of thine old age: for thy daughter in law, which loveth thee, which is better to thee than seven sons, hath borne him.
And Naomi took the child, and laid it in her bosom, and became nurse unto it.
And the women her neighbours gave it a name, saying, There is a son born to Naomi; and they called his name Obed: he is the father of Jesse, the father of David." Ruth 4:13-17

"And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse;
Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias;
And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa;
And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias;
And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias;
And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias;
And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon:
And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel;
And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor;
And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud;
And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob;
And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ." Matt 1:5-16

 

[brightfame52]

If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her.
And it shall be, that the firstborn which she beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother which is dead, that his name be not put out of Israel.
And if the man like not to take his brother's wife, then let his brother's wife go up to the gate unto the elders, and say, My husband's brother refuseth to raise up unto his brother a name in Israel, he will not perform the duty of my husband's brother.
Then the elders of his city shall call him, and speak unto him: and if he stand to it, and say, I like not to take her;
Then shall his brother's wife come unto him in the presence of the elders, and loose his shoe from off his foot, and spit in his face, and shall answer and say, So shall it be done unto that man that will not build up his brother's house.
And his name shall be called in Israel, The house of him that hath his shoe loosed." Deut 25:5-10

"And he said, Who art thou? And she answered, I am Ruth thine handmaid: spread therefore thy skirt over thine handmaid; for thou art a near kinsman.
And he said, Blessed be thou of the LORD, my daughter: for thou hast showed more kindness in the latter end than at the beginning, inasmuch as thou followedst not young men, whether poor or rich.
And now, my daughter, fear not; I will do to thee all that thou requirest: for all the city of my people doth know that thou art a virtuous woman.
And now it is true that I am thy near kinsman: howbeit there is a kinsman nearer than I.
Tarry this night, and it shall be in the morning, that if he will perform unto thee the part of a kinsman, well; let him do the kinsman's part: but if he will not do the part of a kinsman to thee, then will I do the part of a kinsman to thee, as the LORD liveth: lie down until the morning.
And she lay at his feet until the morning: and she rose up before one could know another. And he said, Let it not be known that a woman came into the floor.
Also he said, Bring the veil that thou hast upon thee, and hold it. And when she held it, he measured six measures of barley, and laid it on her: and she went into the city.
And when she came to her mother in law, she said, Who art thou, my daughter? And she told her all that the man had done to her." Ruth 3:9-16

"Then went Boaz up to the gate, and sat him down there: and, behold, the kinsman of whom Boaz spake came by; unto whom he said, Ho, such a one! turn aside, sit down here. And he turned aside, and sat down.
And he took ten men of the elders of the city, and said, Sit ye down here. And they sat down.
And he said unto the kinsman, Naomi, that is come again out of the country of Moab, selleth a parcel of land, which was our brother Elimelech's:
And I thought to advertise thee, saying, Buy it before the inhabitants, and before the elders of my people. If thou wilt redeem it, redeem it: but if thou wilt not redeem it, then tell me, that I may know: for there is none to redeem it beside thee; and I am after thee. And he said, I will redeem it.
Then said Boaz, What day thou buyest the field of the hand of Naomi, thou must buy it also of Ruth the Moabitess, the wife of the dead, to raise up the name of the dead upon his inheritance.
And the kinsman said, I cannot redeem it for myself, lest I mar mine own inheritance: redeem thou my right to thyself; for I cannot redeem it." Ruth 4:1-6

"Moreover Ruth the Moabitess, the wife of Man, have I purchased to be my wife, to raise up the name of the dead upon his inheritance, that the name of the dead be not cut off from among his brethren, and from the gate of his place: ye are witnesses this day." Ruth 4:10

So Boaz took Ruth, and she was his wife: and when he went in unto her, the LORD gave her conception, and she bare a son.
And the women said unto Naomi, Blessed be the LORD, which hath not left thee this day without a kinsman, that his name may be famous in Israel.
And he shall be unto thee a restorer of thy life, and a nourisher of thine old age: for thy daughter in law, which loveth thee, which is better to thee than seven sons, hath borne him.
And Naomi took the child, and laid it in her bosom, and became nurse unto it.
And the women her neighbours gave it a name, saying, There is a son born to Naomi; and they called his name Obed: he is the father of Jesse, the father of David." Ruth 4:13-17

"And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse;
Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias;
And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa;
And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias;
And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias;
And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias;
And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon:
And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel;
And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor;
And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud;
And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob;
And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ." Matt 1:5-16

Thats what Im talking about, Jesus had to be a Kinsman Redeemer, He redeems the House of God that fell in Adam, which is the seed of Abraham.

 

[Davy]

Another popular Myth in the religious world today, is the Jesus Christ died or gave His Life for everyone in the world without exception, but the problem with that, is there is not one shred of scripture evidence that states that.

The scripture however does say that He died for His Sheep or His Church as per Jn 10:11,15

11I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

15As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

Eph 5:25

25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

His People Isa 53:8

8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. cp Matt 1:21

Now, are all without exception His Sheep ? No

Are all without exception His Church ? No

Are all without exception His People ? No

For surely the seed of the serpent Gen 3:15 cannot be of His Sheep, His Church, or His People.

So why does the religous world proclaim that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception, when they have no scripture proof ? Because it is a Myth.

Talk about straining at a gnat!

Jesus Christ died on the cross for ALL those born in the flesh, WITHOUT EXCEPTION. The difference is that EACH MUST choose The Father and believe on His Son's death and resurrection for the remission of sin, and then get baptized in Him. Those who reject Him will be damned, and that by their 'own' choice!

Thus it is a major defunct idea to try and limit the saving power of Lord Jesus Christ. He is able to save all that believe, except those who blaspheme The Holy Ghost.

 

[amadeus]

Thats what Im talking about, Jesus had to be a Kinsman Redeemer, He redeems the House of God that fell in Adam, which is the seed of Abraham.

Yes, Jesus had to be a Kinsman Redeemer, but is not the real pressing question here whether anyone in the left hand of God may move or be moved into His right hand? Can one who is a goat become a sheep?

"And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:" Matt 25:32-34

If a goat cannot ever become a goat no matter what he does, then would it not be better for someone who knows he is a goat to "eat, drink and be merry" now knowing that tomorrow he is going to die with the possibility of redemption in any case?

If a person cannot become "blessed of my [Jesus'] Father" then why did Jesus bother to speak these words to people?

Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake." Matt 5:3-11

Why did Peter, one of Jesus' closest followers speak these words to some who surely had been acting out their roles as goats? Was he not extending hope to the goats that they might become sheep? Was he not telling the goats what they needed to do?

"Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." Acts 2:36-38

 

[brightfame52]

Talk about straining at a gnat!

Jesus Christ died on the cross for ALL those born in the flesh, WITHOUT EXCEPTION. The difference is that EACH MUST choose The Father and believe on His Son's death and resurrection for the remission of sin, and then get baptized in Him. Those who reject Him will be damned, and that by their 'own' choice!

Thus it is a major defunct idea to try and limit the saving power of Lord Jesus Christ. He is able to save all that believe, except those who blaspheme The Holy Ghost.

Thats false, He died for all His Sheep without exception.

 

[brightfame52]

amadeus

Can one who is a goat become a sheep?

Unfortunately not.