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BloodBought 1953

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Some came to Christianity honestly wanting to clean up their act and have a relationship with God.


If “ cleaning up your act” is the Way to get to Heaven, Christ died in vain....
We don’t “ clean up the house” and invite God in—— We invite God in and HE cleans up the house...

“ Turning over a New Leaf” is better than being evil , but it won’t save.....If I decided to try to make myself worthy of Salvation, it’s just another way of saying, “ I am going to go back to the 613 Commandments Of God ( not just 10 ) and become a good person and be saved by obeying Gods Laws ....
That certainly sounds good to those with “ itching ears” —- people LOVE to hear that they can “ help out” the Blood when it comes to getting Saved.....Sadly though, God won’t have it — despite how” good” it sounds to a man.....
The Bible says THIS—- “ By The Works Of The Law , NO MAN will be JUSTIFIED!”

I got “Justified” ( Saved) like the Sinful Tax Collector did..... “ NOBODY comes to God lest the Spirit DRAW him.....and the Holy Spirit “ draws” men by convicting them of sin, in other words, the Holy Spirit gives a man a “ CONTRITE HEART” ......like the Sinful Tax Collector, I took my Newly- Made Contrite Heart and cried out to God, “ Lord, have Mercy on me, a Sinner” .......That formula worked for the Tax Collector—— Jesus said he went home “ JUSTIFIED” .....

It worked for the Publican , it worked for me , and it will work for anybody else.....the Secret Of Christianity is seeing that you are a Sinner who MUST have a Savior to make it to Heaven....What I am describing is the True Repentance that one must have to be Saved....It’s a Turning to God—- “ Turn to me and I will Turn to you”...... Do THAT! TURN to Him with a Repentant, Contrite Heart ....watch what He will do....He will Save you .....everything else is just “ icing on the cake” ......” Any man that ASKS for Mercy shall Receive it!”
They KEY to everything is seeing that you NEED that Mercy!

You desire a “relationship with God?” If you have not “ Turned to Him” as a Wretched, Lost Sinner That needs a Savior, you have not even reached “ the Starting Gate” Of Christianity.....You have no more of a Relationship with him by trying to “ clean up your act” than a Chimpanzee does......You gotta Repent.....and you gotta know what Salvational Repentance is.....”Turn to God ( Repent) with Faith in Jesus Christ and He will “ Save you to the Uttermost”..... the onus is upon Him at that point.....He can handle it—— “IF” you let him......

The Gospel is NOT what you do for God....( “cleaning up your act” , etc) it is what God has done for Fallen man....Stop Trying and start TRUSTING .....
That is what “ Faith” is and without Faith it is “impossible” to please God......May God bless us all in the understanding of these things....
 

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90% of the “ church” is Fallen From Grace and they are clueless about it....they think it describes somebody like Jimmy Swaggert....just like the World does ! It means to Add to the Gospel Of Pure Grace
Jimmy Swaggart fell. What did he add to the gospel of grace?
 

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How much did you pay for John's?

"...The one who practices sin is of the devil..." 1 John 3:8


Wanna play “ tit for tat?”........”If we say we have no sin we call God a Liar”

If one Believes the Gospel Of 1Cor15:1-4 He is Saved .....it’s a Promise Of God.....Therefore, the man who “ practices sin” and is “ of the devil” and presumably Hell- Bound must be an Unbeliever in the Gospel ....Gospel Believers can never be “ of the devil”—— they are Sealed and Saved forever....
 

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Jimmy Swaggart fell. What did he add to the gospel of grace?


What are you talking about? Jimmy Swaggert gave into Temptation,Sinned and had the HELL Chastised out of him.....Disgraced in front of the entire world.....If he is a Believer in Jesus , his sins are Covered by the Blood as far as his Salvation is concerned .....THAT is Grace! He didn't “ ADD” to it nor did he Subtract from it....he simply BENEFITED from it! If you are a Believer in Jesus you might pay one Helluva price for your Sins here on Earth , but as much as you hate to hear it—- “ Where sin abounds, Grace abounds that much farther” .......Grace ain’t fair—- deal with it.

Rejoice, Legalists! Jimmy did not lose his Salvation because of his Lust.....but do you think that he “ got away” with anything? Not hardly.....I think that he would readily agree with that....Thats the way Christianity works—— the Believer is taken to God’s “ Woodshed” when he sins , but God does not Damn a Believer for his sins....not even a Legalistic man like Swaggert ....
 
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Some came to Christianity honestly wanting to clean up their act and have a relationship with God.


If “ cleaning up your act” is the Way to get to Heaven, Christ died in vain....
We don’t “ clean up the house” and invite God in—— We invite God in and HE cleans up the house...

“ Turning over a New Leaf” is better than being evil , but it won’t save.....If I decided to try to make myself worthy of Salvation, it’s just another way of saying, “ I am going to go back to the 613 Commandments Of God ( not just 10 ) and become a good person and be saved by obeying Gods Laws ....
That certainly sounds good to those with “ itching ears” —- people LOVE to hear that they can “ help out” the Blood when it comes to getting Saved.....Sadly though, God won’t have it — despite how” good” it sounds to a man.....
The Bible says THIS—- “ By The Works Of The Law , NO MAN will be JUSTIFIED!”

I got “Justified” ( Saved) like the Sinful Tax Collector did..... “ NOBODY comes to God lest the Spirit DRAW him.....and the Holy Spirit “ draws” men by convicting them of sin, in other words, the Holy Spirit gives a man a “ CONTRITE HEART” ......like the Sinful Tax Collector, I took my Newly- Made Contrite Heart and cried out to God, “ Lord, have Mercy on me, a Sinner” .......That formula worked for the Tax Collector—— Jesus said he went home “ JUSTIFIED” .....

It worked for the Publican , it worked for me , and it will work for anybody else.....the Secret Of Christianity is seeing that you are a Sinner who MUST have a Savior to make it to Heaven....What I am describing is the True Repentance that one must have to be Saved....It’s a Turning to God—- “ Turn to me and I will Turn to you”...... Do THAT! TURN to Him with a Repentant, Contrite Heart ....watch what He will do....He will Save you .....everything else is just “ icing on the cake” ......” Any man that ASKS for Mercy shall Receive it!”
They KEY to everything is seeing that you NEED that Mercy!

You desire a “relationship with God?” If you have not “ Turned to Him” as a Wretched, Lost Sinner That needs a Savior, you have not even reached “ the Starting Gate” Of Christianity.....You have no more of a Relationship with him by trying to “ clean up your act” than a Chimpanzee does......You gotta Repent.....and you gotta know what Salvational Repentance is.....”Turn to God ( Repent) with Faith in Jesus Christ and He will “ Save you to the Uttermost”..... the onus is upon Him at that point.....He can handle it—— “IF” you let him......

The Gospel is NOT what you do for God....( “cleaning up your act” , etc) it is what God has done for Fallen man....Stop Trying and start TRUSTING .....
That is what “ Faith” is and without Faith it is “impossible” to please God......May God bless us all in the understanding of these things....

Keep talking Einstein! When it comes to debating you are your own worst enemy! You prove I am right with every post.
 

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You said it yourself! God is STILL their “ Daddy”.....
No, they don't look like their daddy because their daddy isn't really their daddy.

Your “ Unrighteous” person got that way because he did not trust Jesus to Save him....nothing to do with the level of sin in their lives.
The amazing thing is you continue to think I'm saying salvation is by works even when I explain to you it is not.

The unrighteous person's unrighteousness is the evidence that they are not saved by faith in Christ. They have either never believed or have stopped believing. That's why it's true that the person who lives in sin is not born again. It isn't because they lack the works required to earn salvation (the only argument you hear no matter what a person is actually saying). Their lack of righteous living shows they are not born again. Your Progressive Hyper Grace theology says that is not true. It says as long as they believe in God they are saved despite their unrighteous life. The Bible says if they believed in God they wouldn't have an unrighteous life. Your theology is misleading countless people in the church who aren't really saved but think they are because your Progressive theology is telling them their unrighteous life means nothing and signifies nothing because salvation is not by works. You got a load of explaining to do when Jesus comes back. Wouldn't want to be you, friend. It's not too late to repent from spreading this horrible theology and start warning people that their unrighteous life is the warning sign that they probably aren't really born again. They can hash it out with God from there.
 

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What are you talking about? Jimmy Swaggert gave into Temptation,Sinned and had the HELL Chastised out of him.....Disgraced in front of the entire world.....If he is a Believer in Jesus , his sins are Covered by the Blood as far as his Salvation is concerned .....THAT is Grace! He didn't “ ADD” to it nor did he Subtract from it....he simply BENEFITED from it! If you are a Believer in Jesus you might pay one Helluva price for your Sins here on Earth , but as much as you hate to hear it—- “ Where sin abounds, Grace abounds that much farther” .......Grace ain’t fair—- deal with it.
He fell. He had to come back to God in faith in order to be saved in the Day of Christ, just like the sinning man in the church in 1 Corinthians 5 had to repent "so that his spirit may be saved on the Day of the Lord" (1 Corinthians 5:5). But you said the only way a man falls is by adding to the work of Christ to be saved. And so I ask again, what did Jimmy Swaggart and the sinning man at Corinth 'add' to the gospel to make them fall?

Rejoice, Legalists! Jimmy did not lose his Salvation because of his Lust.....but do you think that he “ got away” with anything? Not hardly.....I think that he would readily agree with that....Thats the way Christianity works—— the Believer is taken to God’s “ Woodshed” when he sins , but God does not Damn a Believer for his sins....not even a Legalistic man like Swaggert ....
If he repented he will be saved when Jesus comes back. If he did not he will be lost when Jesus comes back. Repentance is the sign of faith in God and salvation. Progressive Hyper Grace theology says John is wrong about that.
 

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You need to start rubbing shoulders with real Christians, not the fake Sunday Christians populating most of our churches today. Have you ever been to a non-denominational service or Bible study?

These words that you have spoken to me are a prime example of what bad religion and legalism breed... a "superior attitude". An attitude that I am good because I am way better than that drunk guy down the street.... and I am way better than that guy at the coffee shop covered in tattoos. Plus for a bonus... I'm way better than many of my brothers and sisters in Christ because well... I'm just so good.

Legalism = depending on self-will to be good... and the results are always hypocrisy and living in hidden sin. I've seen this so many times through out the years.

I do not enjoy being made to feel l am one step away from being pounced on. I walked away from my own family because I could not stomach being in their presence... they literally made me nauseous....

Spending the day in here yesterday gave me the same feeling...all the crocodiles just lying in wait for someone to attack.

It's disturbing to say the least... all the twisting of words... the endless accusations of abusing Grace... It's become old... and so repetitive... not to mention absolutely offensive.

Yesterday I placed Grailhunter on Ignore because I could not stomach reading any more of his twisted words.... and this morning... after receiving the above quote by you... I have decided that this is also where you belong.... The two of you together... can gloat about how good each of you is.
 
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Lol! I used to get a kick out of watching April go off...but you're even better! Lol
(As Truman reclines in his stuffed armchair, munching on Pringles as he washes them down with yet another soda.)
What a cracker! :)
Not funny.
 
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Glad you enjoyed it! It certainly “ took off” farther than I over would have dreamed.....Your post are “ inspired”.....God Speaks THROUGH you in here! You are WAY more valuable in here than you realize..... your voice is needed ....as Aaron and Hur held up the arms of Moses....I need YOU to continue to hold up mine....Pray about this matter.....I think I know what the answer is going to be.....sorry......lol.....you just might be “ stuck” .....I hope so.....I and others in here Treasure your input .....yiu need to know that.....God bless you, Fine Woman....( The Truth is, He already has....)
Thanks for the offer but...I'm good thanks... I really don't even remember WHY I came into this thread... oh yeah... because you started it and one morning it was just me and Ferris in here... then all the wolves showed up... waiting to FEAST.

This topic offends me.. nauseates me and chokes me all at the same time... What people have done to the Gospel deeply grieves me.

I have placed 3 people on IGNORE... so.. I'll let you deal with them.... as for me... I will enjoy NOT seeing them.

I have FINALLY decided I want to be part of this community.... and contributing to topics such as these will only ensure that I will get banned due to the fact that I have no tolerance for arrogance.

Bless you my friend. I am out... Life is way too short.
 
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The unrighteous person's unrighteousness is the evidence that they are not saved by faith in Christ.

I want you to show specifically and exactly in detail what you call this "unrighteousness" and differentiate it from a regular Believer sinning?

They have either never believed or have stopped believing.

Then explain the exact criteria for this "judgement" you claim
 

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Not funny.
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@Truman... she does not look disgusted enough... Anyways... everyone is on IGNORE... so it's QUIET...
Be grateful you are NOT on IGNORE... LOL
 
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Yeah… I’m a long-time member of two other Christian forums besides this one. I’m well aware of the accusations that often come against those of us who desire to live holy lives because Jesus lives in our hearts. jb
Your little jab at me has been noted.
 
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@Truman... she does not look disgusted enough... Anyways... everyone is on IGNORE... so it's QUIET...
Be grateful you are NOT on IGNORE... LOL
Did somebody say something? Lol Please know that I'm just being an obnoxious big brother...your Majesty. On the plus side, I could be headed...for a better resurrection! o_O
 

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Did somebody say something? Lol Please know that I'm just being an obnoxious big brother...your Majesty
I would expect nothing less... I really simply need to learn to REMEMBER that these topics that BB loves to debate so much absolutely wear me out... I do not find legalism an enjoyable subject.
And so... I will have to try and stay out of ALL of these topics... as they absolutely anger me... all the twisting of words and harsh judgement on those of us who are secure in our Salvation.... Always the accusation of abusing grace and NOT desiring to live a holy life... It's all a vat of toxic soup. So... I have said my peace here.... and I do not desire to REVISIT this topic. I need to shut down for a bit.
 

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Love for God is the Engine that drives Obedience.....
One will never Love God until he Rests in the Gospel Of Grace.....COMPLETELY TRUSTING the Finished Work Of The Cross....

Love is the Key to EVERYTHING that matters in Christianity....it wasn’t just a coincidence that the #1 Law was to “ Love God with all of your heart , mind and soul.....”

There is much wisdom contained in the words, “Love God and live as you please” .....That sounds so scary and outlandish if you don't understand it. I understand it. Its True.

"This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you" John 15:12

Our will equal to His!

"And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt" Matt 26:39
 
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I would expect nothing less... I really simply need to learn to REMEMBER that these topics that BB loves to debate so much absolutely wear me out... I do not find legalism an enjoyable subject.
And so... I will have to try and stay out of ALL of these topics... as they absolutely anger me... all the twisting of words and harsh judgement on those of us who are secure in our Salvation.... Always the accusation of abusing grace and NOT desiring to live a holy life... It's all a vat of toxic soup. So... I have said my peace here.... and I do not desire to REVISIT this topic. I need to shut down for a bit.
If you ever want to disengage from a conversation quickly without looking like you couldn't stand the heat, start talking about the ten tribes. There will be times when this is an extremely bad idea, so you just have to be creative. Lol
 
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