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Revelation 5:1-10 KJV
1) And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
2) And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
3) And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

This is the scroll opened in chapter 6, leading up to half an hour of silence in heaven, and seven angels are given seven trumpets.

What is this scroll, and what does it say?

Jeremiah shows us a sealed scroll which is the deed to land, only unsealed to prove a claim.

Ezekiel shows us a scroll written within and without with lamentations and mourning and woe.

Is this scroll the "title deed to the earth", as some say? Is it a scroll of judgement?

Something different from these?

My view is that this is the scroll of judgment as Jesus claims His chosen nation of Israel.

Much love!
 

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Revelation 5:1-10 KJV
1) And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
2) And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
3) And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

This is the scroll opened in chapter 6, leading up to half an hour of silence in heaven, and seven angels are given seven trumpets.

What is this scroll, and what does it say?

Jeremiah shows us a sealed scroll which is the deed to land, only unsealed to prove a claim.

Ezekiel shows us a scroll written within and without with lamentations and mourning and woe.

Is this scroll the "title deed to the earth", as some say? Is it a scroll of judgement?

Something different from these?

My view is that this is the scroll of judgment as Jesus claims His chosen nation of Israel.

Much love!


one might take into consideration that the Torah is a scroll. back in the day all books were scrolls.

also the Lord God's Judgement is Life, therefore any judgement other than God's is not. and the results of those judgements will come to pass.

and. Jesus has the keys of hell and of death.

in the earth its man's duty to execute God's Judgements in which Jesus did and will do because He is also a Son of man by virtue of the flesh.

so God can leave you to the results of your own judgement or you can receive the results of God's Judgment.


Mat_7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Luk_6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:


and:
Joh 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
Joh 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
Joh 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Joh 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Joh 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
Joh 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Witnesses to Jesus
Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.


so since Jesus judges according to His Father's will who who judges no man, and the Son does according to what the Father does. who's judgment condemns a man? not God the Father's according to Jesus, and not Jesus the Son according to Jesus.

its one's own judgement, not God's that condemns you, again because God's Judgement is Life and any other is not life. so if you go by your own judgement on things, beware. Adam and Eve went by a judgement other than God's and died of the Life they had that day.
 

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Thanks for this Bible study, marks. This is my take….

God is holding a book (biblion in the Greek) in His right hand. It is a complete scroll, filled both front and back, and it is sealed with seven seals. (The number seven is the number of spiritual perfection or spiritual completeness.) Because of the word Biblion, we have a clue as to what the book is. Could it be the Bible that God is holding? I think so.

Strong's #975:
biblion (pronounced bib-lee'-on), a diminutive of 976; a roll:--bill, book, scroll, writing.

The only One found worthy is Jesus Christ, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, and He has prevailed to open the book and unseal the biblion. And this makes perfect sense to me, as Jesus Christ is the Living Word.

jb
 

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Thanks for this Bible study, marks.

God is holding a book (biblion in the Greek) in His right hand. It is a complete scroll, filled both front and back, and it is sealed with seven seals. (The number seven is the number of spiritual perfection or spiritual completeness.) Because of the word Biblion, we have a clue as to what the book is. Could it be the Bible that God is holding? I think so.

Strong's #975:
biblion (pronounced bib-lee'-on), a diminutive of 976; a roll:--bill, book, scroll, writing.

The only One found worthy is Jesus Christ, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, and He has prevailed to open the book and unseal the biblion. And this makes perfect sense to me, as Jesus Christ is the Living Word.

jb
@jessiblue Great perspective...
 
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Thanks for this Bible study, marks. This is my take….

God is holding a book (biblion in the Greek) in His right hand. It is a complete scroll, filled both front and back, and it is sealed with seven seals. (The number seven is the number of spiritual perfection or spiritual completeness.) Because of the word Biblion, we have a clue as to what the book is. Could it be the Bible that God is holding? I think so.

Strong's #975:
biblion (pronounced bib-lee'-on), a diminutive of 976; a roll:--bill, book, scroll, writing.

The only One found worthy is Jesus Christ, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, and He has prevailed to open the book and unseal the biblion. And this makes perfect sense to me, as Jesus Christ is the Living Word.

jb
I've heard this view before. My first thought is that only Daniel's words were sealed.

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I've heard this view before. My first thought is that only Daniel's words were sealed.

Much love!

Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.


The words spoken by the angel to Daniel were not for his (Daniel’s) time but rather for the time of the end, our time, the time when people would "run to and fro" which in Hebrew means to swerve, turn aside, apostatize. (This doesn’t mean to run around in cars, planes, and other things, though we certainly do that on a grand scale in these end times.)

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Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.


The words spoken by the angel to Daniel were not for his (Daniel’s) time but rather for the time of the end, our time, the time when people would "run to and fro" which in Hebrew means to swerve, turn aside, apostatize. (This doesn’t mean to run around in cars, planes, and other things, though we certainly do that on a grand scale in these end times.)

jb
Do you know any other uses in the OT like that for the same wording? I'm not as familiar with Hebrew unfortunately.

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Thanks for this Bible study, marks. This is my take….

God is holding a book (biblion in the Greek) in His right hand. It is a complete scroll, filled both front and back, and it is sealed with seven seals. (The number seven is the number of spiritual perfection or spiritual completeness.) Because of the word Biblion, we have a clue as to what the book is. Could it be the Bible that God is holding? I think so.

Strong's #975:
biblion (pronounced bib-lee'-on), a diminutive of 976; a roll:--bill, book, scroll, writing.

The only One found worthy is Jesus Christ, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, and He has prevailed to open the book and unseal the biblion. And this makes perfect sense to me, as Jesus Christ is the Living Word.

jb
What would the unsealing signify to you?

Much love!
 

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What would the unsealing signify to you?

Much love!

The unsealing is the opening of this book which is full of things that God wants us to know. It has all the information (seals) that the children of God must know in this last generation before we enter the times of deception and great tribulation when the antichrist appears at the 6th trumpet. It is directed to this last generation.
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The unsealing is the opening of this book which is full of things that God wants us to know. It has all the information (seals) that the children of God must know in this last generation before we enter the times of deception and great tribulation when the antichrist appears at the 6th trumpet. It is directed to this last generation.
jb
To make sure I understand . . . unsealing the scroll is when God reveals to His church truths from the Bible unseen until that time? When it will be needed for the end of age Christians?

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To make sure I understand . . . unsealing the scroll is when God reveals to His church truths from the Bible unseen until that time? When it will be needed for the end of age Christians?

Much love!
Hi again… Yes, as I understand it, the seals are what we read in the Olivet Prophecy in Mark 13, Matthew 24 and Luke 21. Jesus gives His disciples (and us) the seven seals, and these seals are also recorded in the Book of Revelation. They are the seals/signs that will mark the end of this age.

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The Scroll with Seven Seals
OP ^

The 7 SEALS, (and opening thereof)...
* REVEALS;
~ ORDER, Power, Authority, WAY, Judgement, Results.

~ Paramount- Everything "UNDER" POWER of God.
~ Paramount- God created AND made ALL things, and A beginning of TIME for ALL things.
~ ORDER - INTRODUCTIONS
~ ORDER - HabitatS -
~ ORDER - Heavens 1st -
~ ORDER - Angels 1st
~ ORDER - Knowledge - Angels 1st
~ ORDER - Freewill - Angels 1st
~ ORDER - Power - Angels 1st
~ ORDER - Authority - Angels 1st

~ ORDER - Earth 2nd -
~ ORDER - Mankind 2nd-
~ ORDER - Knowledge - Mankind 2nd-
~ ORDER - Freewill - Mankind 2nd
~ ORDER - Power - Mankind 2nd
~ ORDER - Authority - Mankind 2nd

~ WAY - DIVISION -
....Good - Evil


~ WAY -
Good Preserves - Good THROUGH Good
Evil Overcomes - Evil THROUGH Evil

MEANING....
OPENING of SEALS -
Begins the ORDER of the 1st;
Corrupt Angels - wielding power & authority OVER the "freewilled submissive" 2nd; Corrupt Mankind -

* WAY - (according to Gods) - established TIME FRAME for His Creations.
* INTENT - Evil to OVERCOME Evil.
* WAY - Ending of established Timeframe.
* WAY - particular mankind, wavering, BETWEEN..MAKING Freewill Commitments. Good or Evil.
* WAY - God continuing GIVING MANKIND KNOWLEDGE..."WHILE"...
....EVIL is Weilding Power & Authority OVER inhabitants "OF" the Earth.
* WAY - Wavering Earthly Inhabitants...
~ MEANS to freely choose EVIL and bodily live "a while longer".
~ MEANS to freely choose GOOD and bodily "die", BUT soul & spirit to Live Forever.

7 SEALS...(opening thereof) BEGINS the introduction of Corrupt Mankind... SUBMITTING Power and Authority of Earthly Habit, over to Corrupt Angels.

AND ... GOD "giving" Corrupt mankind, what he desired...Power, authority, WITHOUT GOD.

God IS JUST.
* ORDER - "WHEN"
corrupt Angels, corrupt Mankind...HAVE /ARE FREELY MADE/ MAKING their "commitments"
* ORDER - "THEN"
DOES Gods Supreme POWER and AUTHORITY BEGIN REVEALING...
GODS EFFECT of JUDGEMENTS...

THE SEALS (opening thereof)
REVEALS the Power and Authority of Evil Angels, and Judgements ... effecting;
Particularly Mankind...FOR expressly:
REJECTING...
JESUS the CHRIST, the LAMB of God.
The SEALS (opening thereof)....
ARE EXPRESSLY...Opened BY the Lamb.
FOR EXPRESSLY...REJECTION of the LAMB,
BECAUSE of EXPRESSLY, THE Anger of the LAMB,
RESULTING IN THE "WRATH" of THE LAMB.


Rev 6:
1-6 seals OPENED...then do men OF the World Realize...OOPS...
Evil Power Given Evil Angels to RULE the World...
the WRATH OF THE LAMB has come upon them.

Rev 6:
[12] And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal....

Rev 6:
[16] ... the wrath of the Lamb:
[17] For the great day of his wrath is come...

Glory to God,
Taken

 

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Revelation 5:1-10 KJV
1) And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
2) And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
3) And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

This is the scroll opened in chapter 6, leading up to half an hour of silence in heaven, and seven angels are given seven trumpets.

What is this scroll, and what does it say?

Jeremiah shows us a sealed scroll which is the deed to land, only unsealed to prove a claim.

Ezekiel shows us a scroll written within and without with lamentations and mourning and woe.

Is this scroll the "title deed to the earth", as some say? Is it a scroll of judgement?

Something different from these?

My view is that this is the scroll of judgment as Jesus claims His chosen nation of Israel.

Much love!

David Guzik looks at the different possibilities about that scroll, it’s interesting.

I still think the scroll could be the deed to the earth, because God gave it to Adam when He gave him complete dominion over the earth, and he transferred it to Satan - and scripture says the last Adam takes back what the first Adam lost::

THE LION, THE LAMB, AND THE SCROLL

A. One worthy to take the scroll.

1. (Rev 5:1) The throne and the scroll.

And I saw in the right hand of Him who sat on the throne a scroll written inside and on the back, sealed with seven seals.

a. I saw in the right hand of Him who sat on the throne a scroll:

The focus of Revelation 4 was the throne. Here, John begins with reference to the throne, but now shifts his focus to the scroll held by the enthroned Lord.

b. Written inside and on the back: This means that this scroll is unusual. It wasn’t common practice to write on both sides of the scroll. This means that whatever the information on this scroll, there is a lot of it - almost more than the scroll can contain.

i. Ancient scrolls were read horizontally, not vertically. The “rolls” of the scroll were on the left and the right, and the writing lay in narrow columns about three inches wide, written on a substance kind of like brown paper. The scroll was held in the left hand, and unrolled with the right, and as the reading went on, the previously read portion was re-rolled. On such a typical scroll, the Book of Revelation would fill a scroll 15 feet long.

c. Sealed with seven seals: When a roll was finished, it was fastened with strings and the strings were sealed with wax at the knots. This scroll is sealed with seven seals; there are seven strings sealed with was around the scroll.

i. These are not seven writings each separated by a seal; but seven seals all set upon one scroll. All the seals must be opened before the scroll can be read.

d. What is this scroll? What is written in it? Through the centuries, commentators have suggested many different ideas. It’s important to remember that whatever is on this scroll, no one except Jesus is worthy to open it (Rev 5:3-4).

i. Some think the scroll is the Old Testament, or the Old and New Testaments together, or fulfilled prophecy. But these ideas look back, not forward, and John is speaks of things related to things which must take place after this (Rev 4:1). Additionally, if the scroll is the Old or New Testament, who is unworthy to open that scroll?

ii. Some think the scroll is God’s claim of divorce against Israel, but there is little Scriptural evidence for this idea, and who is unworthy to open that scroll?

iii. Some think the scroll is God’s sentence against the enemies of the church. Perhaps this is true, but only in an indirect sense; but who is unworthy to open that scroll?

iv. Some think the scroll is the text of the Book of Revelation, or the next few chapters. But this is rather unlikely considering how the idea of the scroll is communicated, and who would be unworthy to open that scroll?

v. Some think the scroll is the title deed to planet earth. This is an attractive idea, especially because the coming time of tribulation will end with Jesus ruling on earth. But it is hard to demonstrate this with certainty. The best connection in this idea seems to be with Jer 32:6-15, which describes Jewish title deeds as sealed. But there is no doubt that the earth is the Lord’s (Psa 24:1), though the governments of this world belong to Satan (Luk 4:5-8). If God has to get the title deed back, when did God ever “lose” the title deed to planet earth? In fact, God holds this scroll - it isn’t lost. But the scroll must be opened, it must be revealed.

e. The best solution is to see the scroll as “God’s will, his final settlement of the affairs of the universe.” (Barclay) This is based on the idea that customarily, under Roman law, wills were sealed with seven seals, each from a witness to the validity of the will.

i. “Roman law required a will to be sealed seven times as illustrated in the wills left by Augustus and Vespasian for their successors.” (Walvoord)

ii. “The book may mean the purposes and designs of God relative to his government of the world and the Church; but we, whose habitation is in the dust, know nothing of such things. We are, however, determined to guess.” (Clarke)

iii. “The seven sealed book therefore is the comprehensive program of God culminating in the second coming of Christ.” (Walvoord)

iv. “The book of the counsels, decrees, and purposes of God relating to his church, as to what more remarkable things should happen to it to the end of the world; which book was in the hand of the Father.” (Poole)

v. The idea here is that God has a book in which the history of the universe is already written. He has written the history of the world in advance, He holds in His hand the history of the world in advance, and He initiates the consummation of all history. Only God can hold this scroll.

f. Remember the emphasis is not on the content of the scroll, but on its seals and the One who worthy to take it.

2. (Rev 5:2-4) Who is worthy to open the scroll?

Then I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, “Who is worthy to open the scroll and to loose its seals?” And no one in heaven or on the earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll, or to look at it. So I wept much, because no one was found worthy to open and read the scroll, or to look at it.

a. A strong angel: We don’t know who this angel is. Many have suggested that it is Gabriel, but we don’t know. Nonetheless, this angel issues a challenge to all creation: Who is worthy to open the scroll and to loose its seals? This is a challenge no creature can answer because no creature is worthy to open this particular scroll.

b. No one in heaven or on the earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll, or to look at it: John could not have said it any stronger. It is as if the strong angel looked through the entire universe to find someone worthy, and had not found anyone worthy to even look at the scroll.

i. There is no answer to the strong angel’s challenge because the creation is utterly incapable of deciding or effecting its own destiny. Someone above the order of created must determine the course of history; only God can unfold this plan.

c. So I wept much: John’s weeping is either because a previous promise to see the future may now be denied (Rev 4:1), or more likely, because the consummation of history is now indefinitely postponed.

d. No one was found worthy to open and read the scroll, or to look at it: To look upon the scroll, one must have the right to open the scroll and possess it - and no creature was found worthy.

3. (Rev 5:5-7) The Lion of the tribe of Judah is worthy to open the scroll.

But one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep. Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the scroll and to loose its seven seals.” And I looked, and behold, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth. Then He came and took the scroll out of the right hand of Him who sat on the throne.

a. Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah: One of the elders (not an angel) rescues John from his grief, showing him the one who has prevailed to open the scroll. The one is the great figure of Old Testament prophecy: the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, Messiah of Israel and of the Gentiles.
 
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I still think the scroll could be the deed to the earth, because God gave it to Adam when He gave him complete dominion over the earth, and he transferred it to Satan - and scripture says the last Adam takes back what the first Adam lost::
If memory serves, I think there are like 4 places in the Bible that tell us the heaven and earth, and everything in them, belong to God. That's why I don't think of it that way.

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Revelation 5:1-10 KJV
1) And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
2) And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
3) And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

This is the scroll opened in chapter 6, leading up to half an hour of silence in heaven, and seven angels are given seven trumpets.

What is this scroll, and what does it say?

Jeremiah shows us a sealed scroll which is the deed to land, only unsealed to prove a claim.

Ezekiel shows us a scroll written within and without with lamentations and mourning and woe.

Is this scroll the "title deed to the earth", as some say? Is it a scroll of judgement?

Something different from these?

My view is that this is the scroll of judgment as Jesus claims His chosen nation of Israel.

Much love!
Keep in mind that Revelation covers what was what is and what is to be. Notice in verse 3 of this chapter, no one in heaven or in earth was worthy to open the scroll. This means the vision was before the death and resurrection if Christ. Then in verse 5 He appears as if He just accomplished the task. Then He was given the scroll and He opened it then. He didn't wait 2000 years, He opened it. John MacArthur calls it the Title Deed. I guess - when He accomplishes all, Rev. 11:15-19 states the kingdom's of the world become the kingdom of our Lord - so yes it is.
Let's back up. The scrill is also like a play book. All the events are inside but it doesn't when He opened it events started to happen.
To prove this look at what is said with each seal as it is opened: the angel says "come and see", meaning I'll show you what this represents, bring you to another time/vision. And since heaven is outside our time domain the scroll is extra-dimensional, so in heaven All things are seen at once, but for us, God shows them one by one, different vantage points of a transparent sphere of events that overlap and accumulate. It is difficult to view these events as being chronological. Jack Hayford writ a book, E-Quake. He said that the scroll was the orders and the Trumpets and Bowls, the actions. He also pointed out that the great earthquake was pivotal and shown as different vantage points to two scriptures Rev. 6:12-14 & Rev. 16:18-20. These are one in the same, describing the same events, just with a different vantage point. This shows us the complexity of this book, which is why it is so confusing and there are many views. It's been exhausting my comprehension for 25 years trying configure it out. I think I am comfortable with my view and then see something else that further alters it . I don't really think any of us will fully get it. Did God purpose this book to give all generations the idea of that Christ could return at any time? But Jesus tells exactly when this will happen in Matthew 24:14, and that has just recently happened.
 

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Keep in mind that Revelation covers what was what is and what is to be. Notice in verse 3 of this chapter, no one in heaven or in earth was worthy to open the scroll. This means the vision was before the death and resurrection if Christ. Then in verse 5 He appears as if He just accomplished the task. Then He was given the scroll and He opened it then. He didn't wait 2000 years, He opened it. John MacArthur calls it the Title Deed. I guess - when He accomplishes all, Rev. 11:15-19 states the kingdom's of the world become the kingdom of our Lord - so yes it is.
Let's back up. The scrill is also like a play book. All the events are inside but it doesn't when He opened it events started to happen.
To prove this look at what is said with each seal as it is opened: the angel says "come and see", meaning I'll show you what this represents, bring you to another time/vision. And since heaven is outside our time domain the scroll is extra-dimensional, so in heaven All things are seen at once, but for us, God shows them one by one, different vantage points of a transparent sphere of events that overlap and accumulate. It is difficult to view these events as being chronological. Jack Hayford writ a book, E-Quake. He said that the scroll was the orders and the Trumpets and Bowls, the actions. He also pointed out that the great earthquake was pivotal and shown as different vantage points to two scriptures Rev. 6:12-14 & Rev. 16:18-20. These are one in the same, describing the same events, just with a different vantage point. This shows us the complexity of this book, which is why it is so confusing and there are many views. It's been exhausting my comprehension for 25 years trying configure it out. I think I am comfortable with my view and then see something else that further alters it . I don't really think any of us will fully get it. Did God purpose this book to give all generations the idea of that Christ could return at any time? But Jesus tells exactly when this will happen in Matthew 24:14, and that has just recently happened.
The earthquake is a great example. The description in chapter 6 tells us the mountains and islands locations were moved. In chapter 16 earthquake, the mountains and islands are gone. For some people, minor differences like this don't indicated different events. For others, they do. To me, they do. And there are many things like that.

There is the presupposition we each bring to the table. Where it says, after the 7th seal is opened, seven angels are given seven trumpets, and the angels sound them. Should we think that the trumpets are sounded after the seals are opened? Some have the seals and trumpets and bowls overlapping, though there is an apparent, though not explict chronology. It doesn't actually SAY that all the trumpets follow the seals, and all the bowls follows the trumpets. If we go with the apparent reading, this is the chronology.

Many people blur the lines in events, the trumpet turns 1/3 the sea to blood, the bown turns all the sea to blood. So many people call this the same thing, the same judgment. Some say it is from "different perspectives", I've heard someone say, The 1/3 is while it's on the way to all turning to blood. I think that ignores distinctives we are meant to pay attention to.

To my way of thinking, the simplest reading possible is always best. The most straightforward interpretation that takes in all the facts given, and harmonizes with the rest of Scripture is what I go with.

I used to think of the Revelation as something that needed "decoding", but when I realized that everyone has their own decoder ring, with no 2 alike, that was when I realized just read it, over and over, learn what it says, don't try to decode, just learn what it says.

Jesus opens a seal, and a horseman is released.

Zechariah 6:1-8 KJV
1) And I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came four chariots out from between two mountains; and the mountains were mountains of brass.
2) In the first chariot were red horses; and in the second chariot black horses;
3) And in the third chariot white horses; and in the fourth chariot grisled and bay horses.
4) Then I answered and said unto the angel that talked with me, What are these, my lord?
5) And the angel answered and said unto me, These are the four spirits of the heavens, which go forth from standing before the Lord of all the earth.
6) The black horses which are therein go forth into the north country; and the white go forth after them; and the grisled go forth toward the south country.
7) And the bay went forth, and sought to go that they might walk to and fro through the earth: and he said, Get you hence, walk to and fro through the earth. So they walked to and fro through the earth.
8) Then cried he upon me, and spake unto me, saying, Behold, these that go toward the north country have quieted my spirit in the north country.

The four spirits/winds of the heavens . . .

Jer 49:36 And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven, and will scatter them toward all those winds; and there shall be no nation whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come.

Eze 37:9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.

Dan 7:2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.

Dan 8:8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.

Dan 11:4 And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven; and not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion which he ruled: for his kingdom shall be plucked up, even for others beside those.

Zec 2:6 Ho, ho, come forth, and flee from the land of the north, saith the LORD: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the LORD.

What is the common theme in all these references to the four winds of heaven? Geo-political change.

What do these horseman in Zechariah bring? Geo-political change. What should we expect for the horsemen in the Revelation?

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Keep in mind that Revelation covers what was what is and what is to be. Notice in verse 3 of this chapter, no one in heaven or in earth was worthy to open the scroll. This means the vision was before the death and resurrection if Christ. Then in verse 5 He appears as if He just accomplished the task. Then He was given the scroll and He opened it then. He didn't wait 2000 years, He opened it. John MacArthur calls it the Title Deed. I guess - when He accomplishes all, Rev. 11:15-19 states the kingdom's of the world become the kingdom of our Lord - so yes it is.
Let's back up. The scrill is also like a play book. All the events are inside but it doesn't when He opened it events started to happen.
To prove this look at what is said with each seal as it is opened: the angel says "come and see", meaning I'll show you what this represents, bring you to another time/vision. And since heaven is outside our time domain the scroll is extra-dimensional, so in heaven All things are seen at once, but for us, God shows them one by one, different vantage points of a transparent sphere of events that overlap and accumulate. It is difficult to view these events as being chronological. Jack Hayford writ a book, E-Quake. He said that the scroll was the orders and the Trumpets and Bowls, the actions. He also pointed out that the great earthquake was pivotal and shown as different vantage points to two scriptures Rev. 6:12-14 & Rev. 16:18-20. These are one in the same, describing the same events, just with a different vantage point. This shows us the complexity of this book, which is why it is so confusing and there are many views. It's been exhausting my comprehension for 25 years trying configure it out. I think I am comfortable with my view and then see something else that further alters it . I don't really think any of us will fully get it. Did God purpose this book to give all generations the idea of that Christ could return at any time? But Jesus tells exactly when this will happen in Matthew 24:14, and that has just recently happened.

Many people take the Greek root word "seismos" to have the meaning of "earthquakes," however I would suggest that if this were consistent then the first use of a particular Greek word, in the New Testament, should provide the meaning for the other occurrences of that Greek word elsewhere in the scriptures.

Let me demonstrate: -

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Matthew 8:24: - And suddenly a great tempest arose on the sea, so that the boat was covered with the waves. But He was asleep.​
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and

Revelation 11:19: - Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.​
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Now if the translations were consistent, then Revelation 11:19 would also read "a tempest" and the meaning would be lost.

However, if the Greek word was considered to have the meaning of "turmoil" in both cases of the scriptures quoted above, then the context of the above two verses would be better understood. Even in Acts 16:26, where "seismos" is translated as "turmoil," the turmoil arose among the prison guard because the foundations of the prison were shaken such that the doors were able to be opened and the shackles were loose.

Acts 16:26: - Suddenly there was great turmoil, because the foundations of the prison were shaken; and immediately all the doors were opened and everyone's chains were loosed.​
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Notice that the "so that" was also modified from "so that" to "because" to explain why there was great turmoil in the prison.

Our English translations do leave a lot to be desired because the context of the Greek text is lost in the translations.

In all 14 occurrences of G:4578 found in the New Testament, the Greek word should be translated as "turmoil."

But, because in most cases it is translated as "earthquake" people are looking at naturally occurring earthquakes as an observable "sign" for the confirmation of the fulfilment of the End Time events.

If we look at Revelation 16:18, then what is being described are the great turmoils that occurred during the two world wars that occurred during WW1 and WW2 which is in line with the two confirming events that occurred after each world war, namely the recognition of Babylon with the establishment of Iraq in 1926, and the partitioning of Jerusalem into three politically controlled districts in 1948.

Much has been written on the end times, and sadly the waters of understanding have somewhat become very muddy such that we cannot see what is plainly written.

I agree with @marks when he wrote: -

"To my way of thinking, the simplest reading possible is always best. The most straightforward interpretation that takes in all the facts given, and harmonizes with the rest of Scripture is what I go with."​

however, when we ignore the context of the source text and change the context when the scriptures are translated, then we will become misguided if we rely solely upon our English translation without confirming that the translations have given us the correct context in all that we read.

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Now if the translations were consistent, then Revelation 19:11 would also read "a tempest" and the meaning would be lost.
Or we could say, there arose a great shaking in the sea, no? I don't think we need to redefine seismos because it's used in relation to the water.

I agree with @marks when he wrote: -

"To my way of thinking, the simplest reading possible is always best. The most straightforward interpretation that takes in all the facts given, and harmonizes with the rest of Scripture is what I go with."
We argee in this!

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Matthew 27:51-54 KJV
51) And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
52) And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53) And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
54) Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.

Quake, from the Greek "Seis", and earthquake, from the Greek, "Seismos". The earth quaked, the rocks torn, the graves opened.

When the centurion saw the earthquake, he knew something was different about this execution.

Revelation 6:12-14 KJV
12) And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake (seismos); and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13) And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken (seis) of a mighty wind.
14) And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.


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