The problem with the Bible alone!

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rockytopva

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I am a follower of John Bunyan, a non-conformist holiness preacher who was considered AnaBaptist. The following article attempts to describe the Anabaptist and then goes on to say…

“The Anabaptists had no generally accepted doctrine as each group adopted their own specific beliefs and there was no central organisation. The Anabaptists also had no overall leader so there was no John Calvin or Luther-like figure. The influence of the Anabaptists was never extreme because its origins were far from precise. Whereas Luther, Calvin and Zwingli could be specifically associated with a geographic area, the Anabaptists could not. There is some evidence that the Anabaptists developed in Zurich after 1523. Conrad Grebel and Felix Mantz were the early ‘leaders’ of the movement. They had discussed with Zwingli child baptism. By 1525, adults in Zurich were being baptised in rivers. This was bitterly opposed by Zwingli and Zwingli agreed that Anabaptists should be drowned in a decree of 1526. This destroyed the group and they survived in a few isolated areas of Switzerland or moved to other areas. The Anabaptists in Strasburg were seen as being too radical for Martin Bucer and were expelled from the city.”-https://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/the-reformation/the-anabaptists/

This would have been a problem for a man like John Bunyan…

1. He was unique
2. He was radical
3. He was at first not generally accepted and locked up
4. Did not preach a generally accepted doctrine.

Had I embraced the doctrines of John Bunyan 500 years ago I would have more than likely perished at the hands of the state run church. John Bunyan’s methods of a full salvation as stated in his top selling book, “The Pilgrims Progress” In which the witness of the Spirit is picked up at the Porter's House. And how I would teach the doctrine....

1. Salvation - As the Christian leaves the City of Destruction and makes his way to the Celestial City.
2. Sanctification - At the interpreter's house
3. The Witness of the Spirit - At the porter's house

The City of Destruction The place where evangelists set people on their journey to the Celestial City
The Slough of Despair This represents the mire that well intentioned religious people bring to the way
Legalities Mountain The enemy attempt to indoctrinate pilgrims with doctrine designed to inhibit spiritual light
Plain of Instruction The evangelist sets the pilgrim on the right direction from the “Mr. Worldly Wiseman”
The Wicket Gate The sinners prayer. Salvation.... The pilgrim now enters into the Lord’s country
The Interpreters House This is a time of instruction where caring people instruct and disciple. Sanctification.
Porters House The journey to a higher place where one receives the witness of the spirit.
Valley of Humiliation Time for some trials and testing!
Valley of the Shadow of Death Time to overcome the wicked one!
Vanity Fair Discipled and proven Christians now witness to their present world.
Doubting Castle Christians choose path that takes them down to the terrible giant despair.
Lucre Mountain Temptations of material goods
Demas Silver Mines Represents those trapped by their material possessions and come to a place of all work.
Delectable Mountains Represents revival and a season of refreshing
An Entangling Net The flatterers will try to flatter pilgrims unto a place of high minded spiritual bondage
Enchanted Ground ground to a sound spiritual sleep!
Beulah Land Experienced Christian faith, hope, and charity that shine brightly night and day!
Great River The river flows through various places in the Pilgrims Progress and represents death.
Final Destination After crossing the river, either the Celestial City or the Underworld… Which will it be?
 

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The Anabaptists sound interesting...it's sorta how I think.
This type of thinking could get you killed...today!
 
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I am a follower of John Bunyan, a non-conformist holiness preacher who was considered AnaBaptist. The following article attempts to describe the Anabaptist and then goes on to say…

“The Anabaptists had no generally accepted doctrine as each group adopted their own specific beliefs and there was no central organisation. The Anabaptists also had no overall leader so there was no John Calvin or Luther-like figure. The influence of the Anabaptists was never extreme because its origins were far from precise. Whereas Luther, Calvin and Zwingli could be specifically associated with a geographic area, the Anabaptists could not. There is some evidence that the Anabaptists developed in Zurich after 1523. Conrad Grebel and Felix Mantz were the early ‘leaders’ of the movement. They had discussed with Zwingli child baptism. By 1525, adults in Zurich were being baptised in rivers. This was bitterly opposed by Zwingli and Zwingli agreed that Anabaptists should be drowned in a decree of 1526. This destroyed the group and they survived in a few isolated areas of Switzerland or moved to other areas. The Anabaptists in Strasburg were seen as being too radical for Martin Bucer and were expelled from the city.”-https://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/the-reformation/the-anabaptists/

This would have been a problem for a man like John Bunyan…

1. He was unique
2. He was radical
3. He was at first not generally accepted and locked up
4. Did not preach a generally accepted doctrine.

Had I embraced the doctrines of John Bunyan 500 years ago I would have more than likely perished at the hands of the state run church. John Bunyan’s methods of a full salvation as stated in his top selling book, “The Pilgrims Progress” In which the witness of the Spirit is picked up at the Porter's House. And how I would teach the doctrine....

1. Salvation - As the Christian leaves the City of Destruction and makes his way to the Celestial City.
2. Sanctification - At the interpreter's house
3. The Witness of the Spirit - At the porter's house

The City of Destruction The place where evangelists set people on their journey to the Celestial City
The Slough of Despair This represents the mire that well intentioned religious people bring to the way
Legalities Mountain The enemy attempt to indoctrinate pilgrims with doctrine designed to inhibit spiritual light
Plain of Instruction The evangelist sets the pilgrim on the right direction from the “Mr. Worldly Wiseman”
The Wicket Gate The sinners prayer. Salvation.... The pilgrim now enters into the Lord’s country
The Interpreters House This is a time of instruction where caring people instruct and disciple. Sanctification.
Porters House The journey to a higher place where one receives the witness of the spirit.
Valley of Humiliation Time for some trials and testing!
Valley of the Shadow of Death Time to overcome the wicked one!
Vanity Fair Discipled and proven Christians now witness to their present world.
Doubting Castle Christians choose path that takes them down to the terrible giant despair.
Lucre Mountain Temptations of material goods
Demas Silver Mines Represents those trapped by their material possessions and come to a place of all work.
Delectable Mountains Represents revival and a season of refreshing
An Entangling Net The flatterers will try to flatter pilgrims unto a place of high minded spiritual bondage
Enchanted Ground ground to a sound spiritual sleep!
Beulah Land Experienced Christian faith, hope, and charity that shine brightly night and day!
Great River The river flows through various places in the Pilgrims Progress and represents death.
Final Destination After crossing the river, either the Celestial City or the Underworld… Which will it be?
Yes, the church would have persecuted you, hunted you down as a heretic, and either burned you at the stake or buried you alive in horse dung.

I am reminded what the Roman catholic church did to the Waldensians: brutally murdering all in their community, raping women children and babies and skewering them when they had their way with them, or dashing them against a stone until their brains spilled out of their tiny broken skulls. Vicious Roman catholics have brutalized hundreds of thousands if not millions simply because they challenged their rcc dogma and popish authority.
 

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And we can see why trusting in the dogmas, fallibility of men, councils, canons, and teaching is false.

Jesdus HImself said His ?Word is above all! Jesus did not say man shall live by councils, but by the ?word of God!

It is an attack on Jesus and the innocents when crafty men reinterpret the Word of God and substitute that for Gods Word. Like th eperpetual virginity of Mary and Mary's sinlessness!

Pretty confidant Jesus' puts the Word of God in a Converted man....not the jibber jabber, dogmas, catechism, traditions of men.

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The works of art that the Church has commissioned throughout the centuries are NOT financial assets. They give glory to GOD.
Was Solomon told to "sell" all of the treasures in the Temple and give the money to the poor??
NO
. God was PLEASED with the fact that Solomon gave God his very BEST.

YOU remind me of Judas, who complained that the woman "wasted" the perfumed oil on Jesus when she COULD have sold it and gave the money to the poor (Matt. 26:9). Jesus REBUKED him for that mindset (Matt. 26:10-11).
Sounds like an admission of guilt. And you probably don't even realize it, lol.
 

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Those who are equipped with the Spirit of discernment are those faithful members of Christ's Church - and NOT rebellious dissidents.
That's what I've been saying!
It's your erroneous claim to who and what the church is what we true believers can see right through......because we have the Spirit of discernment via the indwelling Holy Spirit.

You're putting on quite a clown show here, lol.
 
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"because a true believer equipped with the Spirit of discernment will see their falseness for what it is "

This statement is FALSE in the context YOU give it - and the tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant factions that ALL teach competing doctrines are AMPLE evidence of this.
But let me guess......the millions of fake, disobedient, hypocrites in the Catholic church isn't evidence of anything at all in your church, right?

And the clown show continues, 'vur-vurp', lol.
 
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It's NOT some invisible gaggle of "true believers" who are trapped inside of tens of thousands of perpetually-splintering factions.
But of course in the Catholic church the "true believers" among the millions and millions of worldly, hypocritical fakes and their corrupt leadership does not signify real believers being trapped among the many fake, right?
 
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And let me guess......the millions of fake, disobedient, hypocrites in the Catholic church isn't evidence of anything at all in your church, right?
And the clown show continues, 'vur-vurp', lol.
But of course the "true believers" among the millions and millions of worldly, hypocritical fakes in the Catholic church and their corrupt leadership does not somehow signify real believers being trapped among the many fake, right?
ONE more time . . .

Christ's Church is a VISIBLE, MONOLITHC entity (Matt. 5:14).
It is united as ONE - as Christ and the Father are ONE (John 17:20-23).

It's not as YOU see it - an invisible gaggle of "true believers" tapped inside of tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering factions that ALL teach different doctrines.

You'll never understand until you repudiate your Spiritual pride and come home . . .
 

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That's what I've been saying!
It's your erroneous claim to who and what the church is what we true believers can see right through......because we have the Spirit of discernment via the indwelling Holy Spirit.

You're putting on quite a clown show here, lol.
Your sect - and the tens of thousands of perpetually-splintering Protestant sects began to germinate in the 16th century.

I really HATE to be the bearer of bad news - but Christ's Church was built 2000 years ago - and your Protestant Fathers broke away from it.

Read your history, son . . .
 

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Lol, that was never my argument...
Pay attention!
What we resist is what you say constitutes the church and who you say constitutes the hierarchy within the church.
And you'd be WRONG.
Jesus didn't build His church in the 16th century.
Your Protestant Fathers divorced themselves from His Church in the 16th century.

YOU are their legacy . . .
 

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The problem with the Bible alone!
OP ^

Is it doesn't conform to catholic teaching.
Oh, but I'm not catholic...so..
Bible alone is sufficient.

Glory to God,
Taken
Great - now, show me where the BIBLE says that . . .
 

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Except the Roman catholic church is not Christ's Church. The Roman catholic church is apostate, in ecumenical league with other apostates.
I agree with you.
The Catholic Church is Christ's Church.

I'm not even sure what the "Roman" Ca6tholic Church is . . .
 

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LOL. You have not been doing any such thing. You've been taking and taking and cozying up to baby killers like the Biden's and the Cuomos and the Kennedys of the world. Hypocrites. No different than that Medici fellow, I mean Leo X, cozying up to the political elite of his day (la familia) for cash to fund his lavish lifestyle and secret man-boy love interests.

I can remember in my youth, the priest mentioning aloud during mass the top tithers in the parish, for all the world to hear. Then again in the bulletin, all the top-shelf givers along with their corresponding dollar amounts. Even today, I still get mailed the parish newsletter announcing, among other things, all the great work this one did or that one did, and at the end othe newsletter, a list of all parish expenses and payments to employees. Wouldn't you know it: all the one's that received kudos for doing this and doing that were the highest paid employees of the parish, as well as being some of the wealthiest townspeople.

Filthy lucre is what the Roman church serves. Hide behind all your hospitals and clinics and 501(c)(3) profiteering projects all you want. The Roman catholic church is apostate and has been for centuries.
First of all, Einstein - ALL churches in the U.S. are 501(c)(3) entities.
It's a shame that your ignorance doesn't stop with the Scriptures .

As for this alleged Catholic "parish" you speak of - I am convinced by the dishonesty of all of your other posts - that this one amount to the same manure as the others . . .
 
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