Biblical Mary

[Mungo]

Biblical Mary
OP ^

Scripture is clear there were several Mary's mentioned IN the Bible.
The poster of this OP, presumably is thinking of Mary, wife of Joseph.

AFTER Jesus' Death and His Return to heaven, from whence He came....Mary, widow of Joseph, along with Jesus' Apostles and about 100 men and women disciples (followers of Jesus' teaching)....received (as Jesus Promised) the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Scripture speaks no further of Mary, widow of Joseph.
Per Scripture, Before Jesus' Death, Jesus had arranged for His Apostle and Friend (John) to give Mary access to Live in John's home.
Per Scripture, Mary, widow of Joseph, would have bodily died, and returned to Dust, from whence her body came.
When Mary, widow of Joseph, bodily died, where her body died, or where Her body was buried, was of no signifiance to even be mentioned in Scripture.
Guessing when Mary died, where Mary died, where Mary was buried...is Guesswork of men...
Claiming Mary Never Bodily Died, is outright Against Scripture teaching.
Claiming Mary's Body rose up to Heaven is not Scripture teaching.

Nowhere in scripture is Mary called the widow of Joseph but she is called the mother of Jesus.
Why do you not respect scripture?

 

[Taken]

Doesn't need the exact name.

The interpretation is very simple.

Interpretation OF WHAT?

 

[Mungo]

Interpretation OF WHAT?

The interpretation of Rev 12 that we have been discussing. (posts #632, 634, 654)

 

[Taken]

Nowhere in scripture is Mary called the widow of Joseph but she is called the mother of Jesus.

Right. Scripture says Joseph was the husband of Mary. Scripture never says Joesph died, maybe he divorced Mary. Maybe their house burned down. Maybe numerous reasons of WHY Jesus arranged for John to take Mary to his home....Apparently the WHY is insignificant.

The fact is Jesus arranged for John to take Mary to his home...with no mention of Joseph or Mary's other children....

 

[Taken]

The interpretation of Rev 12 that we have been discussing. (posts #632, 634, 654)

Okay ... Rev 12: that you just Identified...
Now Highlight MARY'S NAME.
Oops...Mary's Name is not IN all of Rev 12.
Highlight the word WOMAN you THINK Rev 12 is Speaking about Mary.

Rev 12:
[1] And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
[2] And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
[3] And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
[4] And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
[5] And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
[6] And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
[7] And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
[8] And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
[9] And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
[10] And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
[11] And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
[12] Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
[13] And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
[14] And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
[15] And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
[16] And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
[17] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

 

[Mungo]

Right. Scripture says Joseph was the husband of Mary. Scripture never says Joesph died, maybe he divorced Mary. Maybe their house burned down. Maybe numerous reasons of WHY Jesus arranged for John to take Mary to his home....Apparently the WHY is insignificant.

The fact is Jesus arranged for John to take Mary to his home...with no mention of Joseph or Mary's other children....

The fact is calling Mary the widow of Joseph is not biblical whereas calling her the mother of Jesus is.
So why do you not respect scripture?

 

[Taken]

not to care but a gift of grace being spiritual mother

QUOTE...(not reference)....QUOTE the Scripture that says Gods gift of grace is giving men a spiritual mother.

 

[Mungo]

Okay ... Rev 12: that you just Identified...
Now Highlight MARY'S NAME.
Oops...Mary's Name is not IN all of Rev 12.
Highlight the word WOMAN you THINK Rev 12 is Speaking about Mary.

Rev 12:
[1] And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
[2] And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
[3] And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
[4] And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
[5] And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
[6] And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
[7] And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
[8] And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
[9] And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
[10] And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
[11] And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
[12] Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
[13] And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
[14] And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
[15] And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
[16] And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
[17] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

There is only one child in Rev 12
There is only one woman in Rev 12

The "child" (vs 5)is "a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne," Only one person in scripture fits that description - Jesus
The woman gave birth to that child. (vs2 & 5)
There is only one person in scripture who gave birth to Jesus and that is Mary.

But note what I said in post #541

 

[Ronald Nolette]

where does it say to care for her???

That is the whole point of the verse!!

John 19:25-27
King James Version

25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.

26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!

27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.


The "took her unto his own home- meant he cared for her. Boy, for one who loves to add whole pages of added stuff to teh bible, you can even see a simple clear passage???????:

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Well I know you were taught that, but that is not what happened. Your belief requires a reinterpreting of the Scriptures and the plain action that took place.

I am glad you realize what took place i nyor life. I was indoctrinated in those allegorical reinterpretations as well until god led me out of Romanism.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

There you go again with your idiotic "Romanism" nonsense.

This derogatory term cancels out about NINETEEN other Liturgical Rites from the Catholic Church. For your information - NOT all Catholics are "Roman" Catholics. "Roman" simply refers to ONE of about TWENTY Liturgical Rites.

As I've stated before - when you have had the truth explained to you and you continue to lie - you can no longer claim "ignorance" before the Lord.

Well for the sake of this discussion, when we talk of catholics- we are speaking of the Roman flavor! Yes I know there are other catholic sects that are not part of the Roman Catholic Church.

I wold love to see these 19 liturgical rites cancelled out by the term "Romanism". I hope it is more informative than how we are to determine who is or isn't a "credible historic scholar" you so often spoke of.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Ummmmm, what happened to all of her "other" children, hmmmm?

Well I can venture some hypotheses, but as I cannot give empirical evidence to prove any of them, I do not know why Jesus di dnot entrust Mary with James, Joses, Simon, Judah, or one of His at least two sisters. It could be that at the time of His death they satill were unbelievers in HIm and Jesus simply entrusted Mary to One He could trust well! As a cousinf of Jesus, Jesus could do that and still fulfill the law.

But isn't it interesting that at this final hour of His life- He addressed Mary as woman and not mother!

 

[Taken]

The fact is calling Mary the widow of Joseph is not biblical whereas calling her the mother of Jesus is.
So why do you not respect scripture?

The fact is you just responded to a post that saying nothing about "mary the widow of joseph"....
Why the deception on your part?

 

[theefaith]

If Mary was so important....
Why does scripture SAY NOTHING about her being SINLESS, as Catholics preach, being BODILY raised to Heaven, as Catholics preach...?

You have never, chosen, picked, elected or appointed a man to be "your holy father", called a pope....you simple ACCEPTED others mens choices,
WHICH NONE OF Jesus' chosen Apostles taught such nonsense...that Mary was sinless, or that Mary is bodily in Heaven...or that Jesus was an earthy terrestrial Human....or the other endless list of things ... Catholic men roundtable and DECIDE what Scripture "SHOULD HAVE SAID....(according to their philosophies)...but Didn't".

what makes you think it has to be in scripture?
Where does scripture say so? It says they held the doctrine of the apostles! Not some fundamentalist rant about the Bible alone!


Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

Matt 28 says teach not right down and pass out bibles
Jesus never wrote any scripture

 

[theefaith]

Comprehension amiss...
It doesn't say all the people. It saying from all of Judea and all the surrounding regions people went from their regions to Jerusalem to Him.

Its says all!
There are many generalizations in scripture

 

[theefaith]

If Mary was so important....
Why does scripture SAY NOTHING about her being SINLESS, as Catholics preach, being BODILY raised to Heaven, as Catholics preach...?

You have never, chosen, picked, elected or appointed a man to be "your holy father", called a pope....you simple ACCEPTED others mens choices,
WHICH NONE OF Jesus' chosen Apostles taught such nonsense...that Mary was sinless, or that Mary is bodily in Heaven...or that Jesus was an earthy terrestrial Human....or the other endless list of things ... Catholic men roundtable and DECIDE what Scripture "SHOULD HAVE SAID....(according to their philosophies)...but Didn't".

the prime minister hold the keys
Matt 16:18 called holy father Isa 22/21-22

 

[theefaith]

Lol....puleeeze.

Black thick fundamentalist scales
Saul saul
He thought he was acting righteously and doing God’s will
Acts 9:4

 

[theefaith]

QUOTE...(not reference)....QUOTE the Scripture that says Gods gift of grace is giving men a spiritual mother.

heb 4:16

 

[theefaith]

That is the whole point of the verse!!

John 19:25-27
King James Version

25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.

26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!

27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.


The "took her unto his own home- meant he cared for her. Boy, for one who loves to add whole pages of added stuff to teh bible, you can even see a simple clear passage???????:

you know the real point!

you don’t get to be his “mother” to care for her

Spiritual mother


Jesus is not asking John to care for His mother, if so He would have said so, he is not even speaking to John, scripture says He is addressing the disciple, therefore it applies to all disciples.

Jesus is making Mary spiritual mother to all disciples! And all disciples take Her into thier home, And if the apostle John needs a spiritual mother so do we!

What is the family of God without a mother? The mother is the heart of the family! Jesus said I will not leave you orphans! Jn 14:18 He gave Mary to be the mother of one disciple then He does so for all disciples!

As eve was the mother of all the living in the first creation, gen 3:20 so Mary is the mother of all those who live in Christ and the new creation! Behold, I make all things new!

Rev 12:17 our spiritual mother!

Rachel is spiritual mother of Israel!
A type of Mary as spiritual mother of Christians!

The 12 sons of Jacob have 4 biological mothers, but Rachel is the spiritual mother of all Israel!

Matt 2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are no more.

 

[theefaith]

QUOTE...(not reference)....QUOTE the Scripture that says Gods gift of grace is giving men a spiritual mother.

Blessing from God thru Mary!

All graces come to us they Mary, from God by the merits (blood) of Christ!
Jn 1:16
Of His fullness we have all received, grace for grace!

Elizabeth filled with the Holy Spirit!

Lk 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:

John sanctified in the womb!

Lk 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

Lk 1:44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.

Zacharias is filled with the Holy Spirit and prophecy!

Lk 1:67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,

The wedding couple have wine and not shame!

Jn 2: 10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.

The disciples are supplied with faith, hope, and charity!

11 This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.

All these blessings from God because of Mary most holy!

Mother of Divine Grace!

Hebrews 4:16
Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

The throne of Grace is the throne of Mary the ever Virgin mother of God!

We come boldly to this throne cause Mary is our mother and advocate!

Mary is the storehouse of divine graces!

Lk 1:28
And the angel entered to her, and said, Hail Mary, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed be thou among women.

All graces come from the merits of Christ, from His passion and death and come thru Mary to the glory of Her only begotten Son!