Biblical Mary

[Taken]

Why is it "Against Gods own WAY, Against Gods own HOLINESS...for God to fertilized a Human womans egg."
You keep giving out opinions but nothing to back them up.

What don't you get?
God is Spirit...God has a SEED.
Mankind is not a spirit.....Man has a seed.

Two different KINDS of things.
Read Genesis...Kinds of things are reproduced with it own Kinds of thing.

God Can not reproduce.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

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I bring them in because they are relevant to the discussion at hand!

 

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[rockytopva]

This is a thread about the “Biblical Mary.” Please… No more references to other gods. Let’s keep the thoughts “Biblical Mary” biblical! Though traditions handed down may have been of pagan origins the traditions as we see them today are Christian. Christmas, for example, may have been once a pagan holiday, but today we praise God as a Christmas holiday, including Joseph and his then virgin bride, Mary.

 

[rockytopva]

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[Webers_Home]

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Is she blessed? And Why?

The Greek word translated "blessed" basically means fortunate. Below are a
few locations where we might plug-in that definition.

Fortunate are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Fortunate are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.

Fortunate are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth.

Fortunate are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall
be satisfied.

Fortunate are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.

Fortunate are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.

Fortunate are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.

There were, and likely still are, numbers of pious Jewish girls wishing they
could be the mother of Israel's long-awaited Messiah. I've no doubt that just
about every one of them would consider herself the luckiest girl in the world
to be given such an honor.
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[theefaith]

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The "my church" spoken of in Matt 16:18 is very interesting. Jesus predicted
that the gates of Hell would be unable to prevail against it.

The Greek word for "Hell" in that verse is Haides (hah'-dace) which in
Hellenistic culture was simply the afterlife, i.e. the destination of all that
are deceased, both the good deceased and the bad deceased regardless of
age, race, gender, and/or religious preference. Even Jesus went there for a
few days.

Basically Matt 16:18 is saying-- in so many words --that the sheep Jesus
spoke of in John 10:1-29 need not suffer anxiety over death because their
stay in Hades won't be as inmates in a maximum security prison from which
there is no hope of either parole or escape.
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No it is the basis of the authority of the apostles with Jn 20:21-23 eph 2:20 acts 2:42

 

[theefaith]

Sure she is blessed. Many people are blessed.
She is blessed among women because women deliver forth babies from their womb, knowing the pain of delivery, and knowing her delivery was of a son, sent forth from God in Heaven to her womb. Rather unique.
Not sure why men are bowing to statues of her....or even how anyone knows what she looked like to make a statue.

not bowing

Is that the only reason, cos the mother of our savior?
Lk 1:28 says she is blessed even before consenting to our salvation before being mother of our savior

 

[Webers_Home]

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No it is the basis of the authority of the apostles with Jn 20:21-23 eph 2:20
acts 2:42

It ain't what you know that gets you into trouble.
It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.
Mark Twain
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[BreadOfLife]

God the Father used a holy virgin Mary to form Christ Jesus in the womb. But Christ existed before that…

“Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.” - John 17:24

I would call Mary the mother of Christ Jesus, who was used of God the Father to create Jesus in the womb, but after that I believe she would eventually have sex with Joseph and Jesus would have brothers in the flesh after that.

And it's perfectly fine if that's what you believe.
HOWEVER - as a Sola Scripturist - you need to prove that FROM Scripture alone . . .

 

[Taken]

not bowing

Sorry, the evidence is out. Bowing to, kissing statues. Weird. So how did anyone know what Jesus looked like, or Mary looked like to make statues of "them"?

Is that the only reason, cos the mother of our savior?
Lk 1:28 says she is blessed even before consenting to our salvation before being mother of our savior

Luke 1:28 says blessed among women.
Luke 1:
[28] And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

And? What about Jael, blessed above women?

Judg 5:
[24] Blessed above women shall Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite be...

 

[rockytopva]

And it's perfectly fine if that's what you believe.
HOWEVER - as a Sola Scripturist - you need to prove that FROM Scripture alone . . .

But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother. - Galatians 1:19

 

[theefaith]

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It ain't what you know that gets you into trouble.
It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.
Mark Twain
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Authority of the Apostles!

What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!

Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!
Apostolic succession!

The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!

Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20

Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19

Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments




Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Only the church has authority from Christ to define the truth and teach!
Matt 16:18 matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Jn 20:21-23 Jn 8:32 Jn 16:13

Successors of Jesus Christ!

Jesus already prepares His apostles to continue His mission with His power (binding and loosing) and with His authority (keys) matt 16:18 matt 18:18

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.

John 4:1 when therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John...
Jn 4:2 Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples

Here we see Jesus delegating to His successors, Peter and the apostles!

Jn 15:5 apart from me you can do nothing

There can be no unity of the spirit without obedience to the faith! Rom 1:5 eph 4:3

Matt 28 I am with you (the apostles)

The papacy based on Matt 16:18 and Isa 22:21-22

Matt 16:18-19
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Isa 22:21-22
21 And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.

22 And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.

Behold I am with you (the successors or the apostles until the end of the age, so the successors must remain until the end of the age) matt 28:19

(None of the so called reformers were apostles) (no man has authority to start a church)

 

[theefaith]

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The Greek word translated "blessed" basically means fortunate. Below are a
few locations where we might plug-in that definition.

Fortunate are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Fortunate are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.

Fortunate are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth.

Fortunate are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall
be satisfied.

Fortunate are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.

Fortunate are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.

Fortunate are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.

There were, and likely still are, numbers of pious Jewish girls wishing they
could be the mother of Israel's long-awaited Messiah. I've no doubt that just
about every one of them would consider herself the luckiest girl in the world
to be given such an honor.
_

is she blessed? Why?

 

[theefaith]

Sorry, the evidence is out. Bowing to, kissing statues. Weird. So how did anyone know what Jesus looked like, or Mary looked like to make statues of "them"?



Luke 1:28 says blessed among women.
Luke 1:
[28] And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

And? What about Jael, blessed above women?

Judg 5:
[24] Blessed above women shall Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite be...

only Mary is mother of our salvation Lk 2:30
And our spiritual mother Jn 19

 

[Taken]

God the Father used a holy virgin Mary to form Christ Jesus in the womb. But Christ existed before that…

I would phrase that similar, but different.
God did not send "Christ".
God sent His Word, out of Gods mouth, in a body God prepared, in the likeness as a humble man.

Jesus, came to Give Gods Word, of a new better testament, of Salvation (now/then/as long as mortals exist), before physical death.
Expressly called the Son of man. Jesus.

Recruiter, Teacher, Lord.

Later when he began His ministry, it was announced He is the Son of God. (Just as the angel told Mary, he shall be called the Son of God)


Later yet, it was revealed He is the Christ.
Christ is the Power of God.
Jesus didn't come to earth with Power.

I would call Mary the mother of Christ Jesus, who was used of God the Father to create Jesus in the womb, but after that I believe she would eventually have sex with Joseph and Jesus would have brothers in the flesh after that.

I would call Mary, the earthy mother of the Lord Jesus, Son of man.

And Jesus would (DID) call his Mother and Brethren, those who do the will of His Father.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

only Mary is mother of our salvation Lk 2:30
And our spiritual mother Jn 19

Jn 19 ? Says spiritual mother?

 

[rockytopva]

I believe the congregations of Christianity seven….

1. Messianic
2. Martyr
3. Orthodox
4. Catholic
5. Magisterial Protestant
6. Revived Protestant
7. Charismatic

In which all have different views on the Virgin Mary. The perpetual virginity of Mary is the doctrine that Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ, was a virgin ante partum, in partu, et post partum—before, during and after the birth of Christ (Perpetual virginity of Mary - Wikipedia), in which most Christians apparently believe in. I personally believe the Lord Jesus had at least one younger brother. But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother. - Galatians 1:19

 

[rockytopva]

Jn 19 ? Says spiritual mother?

I don’t get that one either.