The Gospel is actually good news and here is why.

[prism]

Tired of the Gospel being turned into a system of law that only drags us down, robs us of joy
and stifles our love for the One who died for us?
Tired of being rerouted back to the law in order to be sanctified or to prove that your faith is genuine?


The Gospel is actually good news and here is why.

1. God has actually concluded all people under sin, whether they be Jew or Gentile, rich poor, black or white etc. (Gal 3:22)

2. Jesus Christ perfectly fulfilled all the requirements for righteousness AND took all our sins upon Himself and took the punishment that those sins fully deserve. (Rom 5:19)

3. through faith, He declares us righteous, (Rom 3:28) robes us in that righteousness, (Gal 3:27), regenerates us as His children (Jn 1:12), and freely grants us the Holy Spirit (Gal 3:2) to strengthen us, enlighten us, convict, comfort and guide us and most of all, direct our hearts into the love of Jesus (Jn 16:7-14), who has granted eternal life as a free gift through faith in Him (Rom 5:15-18).

4. We died to the law that held us that we may live anew to God. (Rom 7:1-4) (Gal 2:19)


Please keep the responses civil and I'll try to do the same. :)

 

[Mungo]

2. Jesus Christ perfectly fulfilled all the requirements for righteousness AND took all our sins upon Himself and took the punishment that those sins fully deserve. (Rom 5:19)

No he didn't take our punishment for sin, Do the really think God the Father punished his own Son for something he didn't do?
There are four problems with your claim
1. The punishment for sin is eternal separation from God – but Jesus is not eternally separated from God.
2. God would be legally punishing an innocent person for the sins of another.
3. If the legal debt has been paid then no-one can be condemned for sin since then God would be taking double payment for the same debt.
4. There is no need for God’s mercy since the debt has been paid. Mercy implies reduction or “letting off” of some or all the debt of punishment.

And Rom 5:19 says nothing to support your claim.

 

[marks]

Tired of the Gospel being turned into a system of law that only drags us down, robs us of joy
and stifles our love for the One who died for us?
Tired of being rerouted back to the law in order to be sanctified or to prove that your faith is genuine?


The Gospel is actually good news and here is why.

1. God has actually concluded all people under sin, whether they be Jew or Gentile, rich poor, black or white etc. (Gal 3:22)

2. Jesus Christ perfectly fulfilled all the requirements for righteousness AND took all our sins upon Himself and took the punishment that those sins fully deserve. (Rom 5:19)

3. through faith, He declares us righteous, (Rom 3:28) robes us in that righteousness, (Gal 3:27), regenerates us as His children (Jn 1:12), and freely grants us the Holy Spirit (Gal 3:2) to strengthen us, enlighten us, convict, comfort and guide us and most of all, direct our hearts into the love of Jesus (Jn 16:7-14), who has granted eternal life as a free gift through faith in Him (Rom 5:15-18).

4. We died to the law that held us that we may live anew to God. (Rom 7:1-4) (Gal 2:19)


Please keep the responses civil and I'll try to do the same. :)

Very civil, I promise!

Man made the disastrous choice to live according to his own knowledge of good and evil. And we all know the consequences of that choice! We all got stuck with the same!

Only God is intriniscally good. And though Man was created good, that goodness was not stable, and was subject to being lost. Lost it was! But in that losing - the corruption of the flesh into sin and death - came the need for a Savior. And our Savior comes to live in us and share with us His intrinsic goodness, so that we are stable in Him.

The Gospel is VERY good news indeed! Life that could be lost was lost, but in Christ is found, to be never lost again!

Much love!

 

[Mantis]

No he didn't take our punishment for sin, Do the really think God the Father punished his own Son for something he didn't do?
There are four problems with your claim
1. The punishment for sin is eternal separation from God – but Jesus is not eternally separated from God.
2. God would be legally punishing an innocent person for the sins of another.
3. If the legal debt has been paid then no-one can be condemned for sin since then God would be taking double payment for the same debt.
4. There is no need for God’s mercy since the debt has been paid. Mercy implies reduction or “letting off” of some or all the debt of punishment.

And Rom 5:19 says nothing to support your claim.

What do you think Jesus was doing down here? Jesus took the sin for mankind to save us from hell.

 

[prism]

No he didn't take our punishment for sin, Do the really think God the Father punished his own Son for something he didn't do?
There are four problems with your claim
1. The punishment for sin is eternal separation from God – but Jesus is not eternally separated from God.
2. God would be legally punishing an innocent person for the sins of another.
3. If the legal debt has been paid then no-one can be condemned for sin since then God would be taking double payment for the same debt.
4. There is no need for God’s mercy since the debt has been paid. Mercy implies reduction or “letting off” of some or all the debt of punishment.

And Rom 5:19 says nothing to support your claim.

I gave Scripture backing for my claims, it would be appreciated if you reciprocated.

1 Peter 2:24 (KJV) Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

 

[Wynona]

Tired of the Gospel being turned into a system of law that only drags us down, robs us of joy
and stifles our love for the One who died for us?
Tired of being rerouted back to the law in order to be sanctified or to prove that your faith is genuine?

So how do believers prove their faith is genuine?

Also, who is turning the gospel into a system of law. What do you mean by that?

 

[prism]

So how do believers prove their faith is genuine?

Also, who is turning the gospel into a system of law. What do you mean by that?

Believers don't need to prove their faith is genuine. God knows those who are His. (2Tim 2.19)

Also, who is turning the gospel into a system of law. What do you mean by that?

The Book of Galatians is a good example where law was trying to be added to the Gospel.

 

[Mantis]

All of the other religions and cults require works on your part to be counted worthy of God. Or in other words they require the law.

 

[Enoch111]

No he didn't take our punishment for sin, Do the really think God the Father punished his own Son for something he didn't do?

That goes without saying. That is indeed the heart of the Gospel. Read Isaiah 53 and other passages including Psalm 22. Humanity could either pay for its own sins (not possible) or a sinless Substitute would pay the penalty (punishment) for the sins of the whole world.

So the real issue is "What Gospel do you believe, and is it found in the Bible?"

 

[Enoch111]

So how do believers prove their faith is genuine?

Please read and study the epistle of James all the way through.

 

[amigo de christo]

Believers don't need to prove their faith is genuine. God knows those who are His. (2Tim 2.19)


The Book of Galatians is a good example where law was trying to be added to the Gospel.

Might want to consider pauls words . THE PROOF OF YOUR FAITH .

 

[Enoch111]

Believers don't need to prove their faith is genuine.

Of course they do. The New Testament makes that perfectly clear.
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? (2 Cor 13:5)

1 JOHN 3: EVIDENCE OF FAITH AND LOVE
16Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. 17But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him? 18My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.19And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. 20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.

 

[Wynona]

Believers don't need to prove their faith is genuine. God knows those who are His. (2Tim 2.19)


The Book of Galatians is a good example where law was trying to be added to the Gospel.

Its true that God knows who are His. But I disagree that believers don't need to prove their faith is genuine. Because God knows but we do not. And 2 Peter 1:10 says

10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

I think believers get assurance that their faith lines up with what the Scriptures say.

 

[prism]

Might want to consider pauls words . THE PROOF OF YOUR FAITH .

God is the judge of that. Are we fruit inspectors, especially of others?

 

[Wynona]

Please read and study the epistle of James all the way through.

Sure! I just was asking to get his take on things.

 

[prism]

Of course they do. The New Testament makes that perfectly clear.
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? (2 Cor 13:5)

1 JOHN 3: EVIDENCE OF FAITH AND LOVE
16Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. 17But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him? 18My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.19And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. 20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.

I meant (read again) they do not need to prove themselves to others. God is the Judge of one's faith.

 

[prism]

Please read and study the epistle of James all the way through.

The OP has nothing to do with proving our faith to others (as James speaks of), but it has everything to do with the Gospel (what Christ has done for our salvation).
We offer nothing but our sinfulness.

 

[Wynona]

God is the judge of that. Are we fruit inspectors, especially of others?

Yes.

Matthew 7:15-17
King James Version

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

 

[amigo de christo]

God is the judge of that. Are we fruit inspectors, especially of others?

Judge ye not those that are within . Oh yes we examine the fruits of others . Oh yes .
Let us be feasting upon the bible . For i fear many are being led by emotions and dictates of men .

 

[Nancy]

Yes.

Matthew 7:15-17
King James Version

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

I was thinking the same thing sister!