new version of OSAS?

[Tong2020]

Think what you want. But it is just a think. The phrase spiritually dead does not appear in the Bible. That is a fact. Its like saying people do not have a soul until they believe.

If you dislike the phrase “spiritually dead” because it does not appear in the bible, then what phrase would you rather use to describe those whom Jesus refer to as dead, people who are not actually dead who still eat, work, sleep, and all?

Tong
R3634

 

[Grailhunter]

If you dislike the phrase “spiritually dead” because it does not appear in the bible, then what phrase would you rather use to describe those whom Jesus refer to as dead, people who are not actually dead who still eat, work, sleep, and all?

Tong
R3634

Quoting the scripture will suffice. No reason to come up with terms and phrases. Fundamentalist forum...right...Bible only.

 

[Tong2020]

you did? I did not see anything.

Unless your answer is you never did this. which if this is the case. then how can you say your a child of God

I think he did. If my memory serves me right, First he said it was like when he was 15. Then he says he do not remember. He also claims conversion does not apply to him as he always believed in Christ. Yes that seems quite confusing right? But that is what he said, I think.

Tong
R3635

 

[Tong2020]

The Gospel is Simple Trust Jesus.

For me, the gospel too is simple, Jesus Christ.

The gospel is not what you and I should do but is what God had done to save you and me.

Tong
R3636

 

[Grailhunter]

I think he did. If my memory serves me right, First he said it was like when he was 15. Then he says he do not remember. He also claims conversion does not apply to him as he always believed in Christ. Yes that seems quite confusing right? But that is what he said, I think.

Tong
R3635

You guys are both juvenile liars.
Post 3101 and 3108
So sad characters you are.
Now stay away from me.

 

[Tong2020]

Are you trying to help yourself? Or are you going to God for help because you need it?

If you do? No, that's not the passage. I'd suggest staying with exactly what it says. He knows your weakness, and even so, you can still come for help.

When would you say you are most in need of help? For me, it's when I've completely broken down into the flesh. And all I can do is cry out for His help. But I can do that knowing that He is here with me, and He loves me. He has reconciled me completely to Himself, and will never cast me away. So I come boldly for His help when I am in need.

Much love!

Pretty much the same with me. And it humbles me before my God, every time I fall. But I thank God that every time I do, He never fails to discipline me. And His discipline, while it makes me suffer, I know it is good for me.

Tong
R3637

 

[Grailhunter]

Pretty much the same with me. And it humbles me before my God, every time I fall. But I thank God that every time I do, He never fails to discipline me. And His discipline, while it makes me suffer, I know it is good for me.

Tong
R3637

How does a liar show humility?

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
I think he did. If my memory serves me right, First he said it was like when he was 15. Then he says he do not remember. He also claims conversion does not apply to him as he always believed in Christ. Yes that seems quite confusing right? But that is what he said, I think.

You guys are both juvenile liars.
Post 3101 and 3108
So sad characters you are.
Now stay away from me.

Now, don’t be childish. If I gathered you wrongly, then I stand to be corrected. But I am not out to lie about you. Such attitude you got there Christian, I would have to say.

Tong
R3638

 

[Tong2020]

How does a liar show humility?

How?

Tong
R3639

 

[Grailhunter]

Now, don’t be childish. If I gathered you wrongly, then I stand to be corrected. But I am not out to lie about you. Such attitude I would you got there Christian, I would have to say.

Tong
R3638

Is it that they admit that they do not lie well? Or that they are not smart enough to lie good? Or someone lies better than them? Is there pride in liar's camp?
Is it deceiving? or do you get off on twisting the scriptures? Preaching things that will send people to hell?
Just what is your god?
Just tell me how it is for you? Are you going to brag about lying so everyone understands what you are?

 

[Tong2020]

Is it that they admit that they do not lie well? Or that they are not smart enough to lie good? Or someone lies better than them? Is there pride in liar's camp?
Is it deceiving? or do you get off on twisting the scriptures? Preaching things that will send people to hell?
Just what is your god?
Just tell me how it is for you? Are you going to brag about lying so everyone understands what you are?

Go get some restful sleep. Now, just a gentle reminder, don’t forget to pray in the name of Jesus. He is the one who keeps you safe even in your sleep, one of the times we are still, quiet, and perfectly dependent on God.

Let’s all rest in the salvation of God, in Jesus Christ.

Tong
R3639

 

[Grailhunter]

Go get some restful sleep. Now, just a gentle reminder, don’t forget to pray in the name of Jesus. He is the one who keeps you safe even in your sleep, one of the times we are still, quiet, and perfectly dependent on God.

Let’s all rest in the salvation of God, in Jesus Christ.

Tong
R3639

Oww so sweet. Do you take pride in lying? Have you incorporating it in as your religion?
I am having a blast! Besides Cardinal baseball is on.

 

[Tong2020]

Oww so sweet. Do you take pride in lying? Have you incorporating it in as your religion?
I am having a blast! Besides Cardinal baseball is on.

I don’t. Do you?

Tong
R3642

 

[Grailhunter]

I don’t. Do you?

Tong
R3642

Are you kidding me. This is exactly what I am talking about with lifestyles sins. Sin sits at your door and its desire is for you. If you lie your whole life then you become that sin...it is you. And when you stand before Christ on Judgment Day...you are that sin. How do you think that is going to go?

 

[Tong2020]

Are you kidding me. This is exactly what I am talking about with lifestyles sins. Sin sits at your door and its desire is for you. If you lie your whole life then you become that sin...it is you. And when you stand before Christ on Judgment Day...you are that sin. How do you think that is going to go?

And I am against a lifestyle of sin. I am for a lifestyle of love and righteousness.

Tong
R3643

 

[Grailhunter]

And I am against a lifestyle of sin. I am for a lifestyle of love and righteousness.

Tong
R3643

I am not buying it.

 

[Tong2020]

I am not buying it.

Not for sale and not selling it.

Tong
R3644

 

[Corlove13]

When I speak I tell Christians not to focus on sin...no matter how you look at it, it is the negative...you can get into the forbidden fruit think or thinking of the things you like to do that were sinful or just sinful habits.

Look at your life as if it were a journey with Christ....a walk with Christ...always by your side and sees everything you do. No matter how you think about it that is the way it is anyway....Christ knows everything and what is in your heart.

On that journey Christ may give you choices, He may put people in your path. Start a habit of doing the right thing. As time goes on and you are doing this you build confidence. Be an example for other Christians. After a while it becomes less about not doing the wrong thing and a knee jerk reaction to do the right thing.

Yes, amazing...
I'm excited...the more I read the word, the more of it I want.....

I'm excited God has truly blessed me here. I had put some on ignore and found myself learning how to explain what I knew to be true.
I am so Glad that God is, I am....that I am"
Truly His word is to "live" by....
But you not only "live" by it you"live" by it....
Meaning it sustains real life of peace ...and Joy.


What I was trying to asked earlier by bridging the scriptures together was.......Is coming to the throne of grace boldly....saying let us purify ourselves by walking holy.
Of courss we know the things we do are with the Spirit. But coming boldly would mean that the walk is solidified by what is in the heart. Therefore a clear conscience before God.

Meaning boldness comes because one has purified their conscience through active faith.
Transforming heart, attitude, feelings.

For example you need to borrow some money...but do not have confidence to ask your brother because you never paid Him back the first time you borrowed when you could have. So you really do not have boldness.

But if you stayed in contact and had paid Him back...you would have a clear conscience before Him....knowing there is nothing in your way from asking.

Another words your walk is in step with righteousness ...The blood cleanses as we Walk in light...For God is in the Light...speaking of the path[Jesus] of righteousness.

So then drawing near to God is based on the condition of staying on the path. Clothing ourselves with Christ.

For Jesus said He did what was pleasing to the father and the father never left Him alone.

Therefore we know it is "life" itself that is salvation.
It is to know God and Jesus.[being in their presence]

 

[Corlove13]

"I understand the concept of losing our salvation but in reality salvation is not something we can lose. Salvation has a no return policy. We can fall away....and the consequences of that are hell. But you would be in hell as a Christian.

"When we are saved we are accepted into the family of God..... From there we work out our salvation with fear and trembling."

"In the end our deeds for good or bad are judged and we go to heaven as Christians or we go hell as Christians."

"In the end salvation is not on trial nor is it a determination if a person was saved or not. As a child of God we know the right way....if we go the wrong way it is our fault and we will pay for it. The Bible tells us how many ways we can fail to inherit the Kingdom of God."

The above is contradictory and makes no sense. Sorry.

Read post 3020 on the meaning of eternal life....and it may give you an ideal of what salvation is.

Read EPHESIANS 1:13 too

 

[Corlove13]

I understand the concept of losing our salvation but in reality salvation is not something we can lose.
Salvation has a no return policy.
We can fall away....and the consequences of that are hell.
But you would be in hell as a Christian.
When we are saved we are accepted into the family of God.....
From there we work out our salvation with fear and trembling.
In the end our deeds for good or bad are judged and we go to heaven as Christians or we go hell as Christians.
In the end salvation is not on trial nor is it a determination if a person was saved or not.
As a child of God we know the right way....if we go the wrong way it is our fault and we will pay for it.
The Bible tells us how many ways we can fail to inherit the Kingdom of God.

How do you define Salvation?

Depending on how it is used....maybe I can see your point in the first paragraph.

For example: Jesus is my Salvation..[deliverance]
How do I lose Him If I know I can call on Him.
His blood forgives.....[therefore His blood also is my deliverence] how do I lose it if I know How to receive forgiveness]

Also one is sealed with the Spirit[guide,etc]..[how do you lose the Spirit in whom you are sealed with]



But salvation is a life...
It is Life that motivates our works that lead to fruit.
That life is our journey of what we do with Christ. Therefore maybe I can say: it is our walk with Him. Or what we do with Him...

Therefore if you do nothing with Him....where is your life??

So based on this....if the Joy of the Lord is my strengh- therefore my salvation....[protection,confidence, ]

Can you lose salvation if you stop and do nothing?

But then again

Why did the man say restore unto me the Joy of my Salvation?

If He knows who the deliver is.....but does not experience deliverence ...He has not lost God...but deliverence from God....

Rather deliverence is of His conscience of not being restored back into fellowship.

Hence repentance

The people were told if they would turn from their sins and seek God's face then would He hear from heaven and forgive their sins...

They did not lose God....but their fellowship

Let me know what you meant by your first paragraph...

You either walking with Him, or you are not