Scriptures that trinitarians Don't Want You to Know About - #5, Book of Acts

[Wrangler]

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Are you guys gonna keep ignoring these verses?

If these verses do not go against trinitarianism, yes, I will ignore them. Thanks.

 

[theefaith]

If these verses do not go against trinitarianism, yes, I will ignore them. Thanks.

still will not answer
I must have some good ones

 

[Mungo]

Appeal to Strawman. I really believe Jesus when he said he was going to his God in John 20:17 and that his Father is the only true God in John 17:3 and the only God in Mark 12:29 and I believe God in the 1C and Mark in 1:1 that Jesus is the Son (NOT God) as Jesus himself said in Mark 14:61-62.

Even taking 'at the right hand of God' metaphorically, it is STILL proof that Jesus is not God.

Straw man?
You are the one that thinks God is physical with a right hand, white hair, sits on a fiery throne with wheels of burning fire!

 

[Mungo]

The Father only, is God. Every Epistle says so. These verses must be a thorn in your side.

And he will call out to me, ‘You are my Father, my God, and the Rock of my salvation.’
Psalm 89:26

That's an interesting one.
1Cor 10:4 says "and all drank the same supernatural drink. For they drank from the supernatural Rock which followed them, and the Rock was Christ.

So the Rock is Christ and the Rock is God. Therefore Christ is God

 

[Wrangler]

So the Rock is Christ and the Rock is God. Therefore Christ is God

As is it is not possible to be referring to different rocks; Or AS IF 1,000 years before Jesus was born, Psalm was referring to someone not yet born; OR there is any prophecy of the Father becoming the Son.

We know the rocks are different because the rock in Psalm 89:26 specifically says the Father is the God, whereas Jesus is not the Father but his Son.


And he will call out to me, ‘You are my Father, my God, and the Rock of my salvation.’
Psalm 89:26

 

[michaelvpardo]

Trinitarinians deny the big reveal of Jesus' ministry is that he is the long awaited Messiah, chosen by God to reconcile humanity to God and was never about revealing God incarnate. (Every Epistle makes clear that God, in his unitarian nature, is the Father alone, whose will is carried out by the Lord Jesus, anointed by God. Logic. Definition. Language Usage. When we say Jack and Jill went up the hill, it is not to be construed they are 1 being. The same when God, the Father, and Jesus went up the hill ...)

The amazing book of Acts establishes the highly controversial fact that a man was resurrected by God - and that eternal life is the inheritance of all who believe. No fair reading of this book could support any other conclusion. The trinitarian IDOLATRY of this man destroys the proof of Good News of our inheritance. For it is understandable that an all powerful God could appear to die and resurrect himself. (Translation below is CJB)

ACTS 1
v3 After his death he showed himself to them and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive. (God is eternal and him being alive is a given).

v7 He answered, “You don’t need to know the dates or the times; the Father has kept these under his own authority. (The Father Alone is God and his authority being different from and higher than Jesus in this verse is clear.)

ACTS 4
v7 “By what power or in what name did you do this?” NOTE: The answer is NOT in the name of God and no claim of God incarnate. Logic. Definition. Language Usage. The name is not the name of God.
v10 It is in the name of the Messiah, Yeshua from Natzeret, whom you had executed on a stake as a criminal but whom God has raised from the dead, that this man stands before you perfectly healed. (God in his unitarian nature clearly acted upon the dead Messiah, in whose name the emissaries of the Anointed One do this, perform miracles).

v24 Begins a prayer to God ...
v27 your holy servant Yeshua, whom you made Messiah (Again, God acted on Jesus, the Messiah. In this verse, God, in his unitarian nature made Yeshua the Messiah. This is not how one would talk about God incarnate).

Thus the prayer to God ends with

v30 Stretch out your hand to heal and to do signs and miracles through the name of your holy servant Yeshua!” (God, in his unitarian nature, does signs and miracles in the name of his servant, Yeshua. Logic. Definition. Language Usage. God is not his own servant.)

Nursery rhymes, really? You haven't even ascribed to Him the name given. Is there a book of Yeshua? Did Yeshua lead Israel across the Jordan into the promised land? Did moses give his servant, Hoshea the son of Nun the name Yeshua? Did the high priest in Zerubbabel's day have Yeshua as his name and as a sign of the branch?
This is perhaps one of the most insane arguments that I've ever read, using carnal justifications similar to that of Mohammed and appealing to carnal understanding. The pastor at the church where I made the good confession, had a good word for such strange doctrine, "Hogwash", fit for pigs but does not glorify the Son as the Father Himself did He visited Israel in the person of His only begotten Son.
You understand what begotten means? How is a child less than His father except in matters of subordination. How is the creator of all things less than His Father?
This is sad and Anathema Maranatha.

 

[Wrangler]

Nursery rhymes, really?

Really. Nursery rhymes is where we learned Definition. Language Usage. Trinitarians get tripped up with sentence structures that indicate 2 beings are in the sentence, Jack and Jill and God (in his unitarian nature) and Jesus.

 

[Wrangler]

You understand what begotten means?

Yes, begotten is the source of all sons, created through procreation. From Merriam Webster's:

Definition of begotten = past participle of BEGET
Definition of beget = to procreate; to produce
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[michaelvpardo]

Out of interest where did you learn these truths? There are few unitarians in the earth today comparatively speaking. The Apostle Paul knew false teaching would enter the body of Christ and only 100-200 years after the Lords ascension philosophers like Justin Martyr began calling Jesus the second god. If you believe as the Scripture teaches Jesus is the Son of Man & the Son of God, that he is a created being the firstborn from the dead. A man tempted in all points like we are yet without sin...and now dies no more. Yahweh was in Christ reconciling the world to himself through the weakness of human nature and through death itself. There is no room in these essential doctrines for 3 gods...though they try in vain.

Who?
Trinitarian doctrine is not about 3 gods, but One God in three persons and is demonstrated in multiple passages of scripture. Even the great commission is given with the instructions to baptize disciples in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Was God confused when He said that? Was God trying to confuse His disciples?
The unseen omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient, Father of all spirits, who exists in Eternity, outside of time, reached into time with His Holy Spirit, His voice, into His creation to bring forth all things through His Word, the ancient of days who sits on the throne of heaven, His creation, and He became a man in a moment of time in His creation, the very image of God and the glory of God, to satisfy the covenant of law and initiate His new and Eternal covenant of peace. There is only One God who is recognized by many names in scripture, but He has revealed Himself in three persons, the Father, invisible Spirit and Father of all Spirits, who glorifies the Son, in the Son, Jesus the Christ, the tabernacle of the Father who manifested in the Son (even in heaven) and glorified the Father in His life and in all creation, and in the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ, the Spirit of the infinite God who speaks to men in His creation, the voice of God that brought Revelation and honor to the Father through the Son and is given by the Father to His bride for the asking so that we may be One in the Son as He is One with the Father.
Those who believe receive His Spirit in adoption as Sons, but there is only One God who reveals Himself in 3 persons, and if you don't get that, you're as lost as the Jehovah's witnesses, who don't even know the covenant name that they pretend to witness for.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Really. Nursery rhymes is where we learned Definition. Language Usage. Trinitarians get tripped up with sentence structures that indicate 2 beings are in the sentence, Jack and Jill and God (in his unitarian nature) and Jesus.

Didactics isn't truth, but confusion, Babel.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Yes, begotten is the source of all sons, created through procreation. From Merriam Webster's:

Definition of begotten = past participle of BEGET
Definition of beget = to procreate; to produce
​

Yes and He also said, "Before Abraham was, I Am" and I Am is the name of the self existant and eternal God. Jesus wasn't speaking in a parable, but answering as the True and Faithful Witness.
Didactics isn't truth, its confusion, babel.

 

[TheslightestID]

Hint, hint, as the bible teaches, and states time and time again, Jesus is the son of God. ;)

We can thank a man made Nicene Creed, and people that chase so-called higher knowledge, for doing nothing but confusing a very simple tuth...God is God, Jesus is Jesus, and the Holy Spirit is just that.

It really should all go without saying, but Satan loves his confusion..

 

[Mungo]

As is it is not possible to be referring to different rocks; Or AS IF 1,000 years before Jesus was born, Psalm was referring to someone not yet born; OR there is any prophecy of the Father becoming the Son.

We know the rocks are different because the rock in Psalm 89:26 specifically says the Father is the God, whereas Jesus is not the Father but his Son.


And he will call out to me, ‘You are my Father, my God, and the Rock of my salvation.’
Psalm 89:26

I'll bear that in mind when people say that Peter cannot be the Rock in Mt 16:18 because Jesus is the Rock. :)

 

[Wrangler]

Didactics isn't truth, but confusion, Babel.

Projecting trinitarian dogma onto unitarian text of Scripture is not truth but indoctrination.

 

[Wrangler]

Yes and He also said, "Before Abraham was, I Am" and I Am is the name of the self existant and eternal God.

No, it's not! 'I am' is a common identifier used today.

The idea that Jewish monotheism of 1 God, in his unitarian nature, stated over and over and over again for 1,000's of years should be swept aside with an "I am" statement is absurd in the extreme.

God did not say "I am the only God. Besides me, there is no other" in Deutoronomy 6:4 to be rejected with an "I am" statement later.

 

[Wrangler]

I'll bear that in mind when people say that Peter cannot be the Rock in Mt 16:18 because Jesus is the Rock. :)

Kind of. The rock is the confession, that the promise of God is fulfilled in anointing Jesus as God's suffering servant to pay a ransom for many.

 

[Wrangler]

Trinitarian doctrine is not about 3 gods, but One God in three persons and is demonstrated in multiple passages of scripture.

Tri is 3, not one. And the trinity is not in the Bible, not the word, not the idea.

Apologists have to splice together numerous bits of verses here and there to 'support' the doctrine that is not there. There is no verse in 66 books where it is mentioned. It is such an important doctrine, it is not mentioned once! No verse goes like this The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit, who are cosubtantial, co-eternal and coequal - and if you do not believe this, you cannot be saved. What's so funny is how trinitarians cannot admit this.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Tri is 3, not one. And the trinity is not in the Bible, not the word, not the idea.

Apologists have to splice together numerous bits of verses here and there to 'support' the doctrine that is not there. There is no verse in 66 books where it is mentioned. It is such an important doctrine, it is not mentioned once! No verse goes like this The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit, who are cosubtantial, co-eternal and coequal - and if you do not believe this, you cannot be saved. What's so funny is how trinitarians cannot admit this.

In the great sh'mah, echad has a broader meaning than the number 1 but also means unity as in there is unity between us or disunity. All who have received the ruach hakodesh, the Holy Spirit are united in His Spirit even if separated by carnality and internal strife. I understand these things and I don't even speak Hebrew or Greek.

 

[michaelvpardo]

No, it's not! 'I am' is a common identifier used today.

The idea that Jewish monotheism of 1 God, in his unitarian nature, stated over and over and over again for 1,000's of years should be swept aside with an "I am" statement is absurd in the extreme.

God did not say "I am the only God. Besides me, there is no other" in Deutoronomy 6:4 to be rejected with an "I am" statement later.

So the pharisees, scribes, and priests wanted to kill Jesus for using a common identifier?
Have you prayed to the Father in the name of His only begotten son to receive His Spirit by faith and without doubting? I think not according to your error, but you tell me?

 

[theefaith]

Hint, hint, as the bible teaches, and states time and time again, Jesus is the son of God. ;)

We can thank a man made Nicene Creed, and people that chase so-called higher knowledge, for doing nothing but confusing a very simple tuth...God is God, Jesus is Jesus, and the Holy Spirit is just that.

It really should all go without saying, but Satan loves his confusion..

so is Jesus divine?