Where is the reformation in the Bible?
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Yes, you may be correct. Remember I am 77 and on more current issues in particular my memory is often sketchy. I often do better with things that happened a long time ago. Were you one that looks to the CC as it was all prior to Vatican II with nothing effectively OK for after Pope Pius XII? I have met at least two people from such a group.
amigo de christo
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Yeah , i read that lump of a book . The bible says HE was in the den overnight . Guess which one i am gonna beleive .
The bible . I read those extra books and found erros and lies within .
But the pages of the holy bible is wonderous truth within .
amigo de christo
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She will say division is our enemy let us all unite
its time to put an end to all this fuss and all this fight
Then the wall will come down there is no need to be divided
If we are all the same why should we all be so misguided
and they will cast off first faith claiming freedom from legality
and will fall for the false love cause they promise them liberality
The dark mother is ready , her wayward children to receive
and their petty lil doctrines (biblical truths )they will forsake and leave .
They will feel the glory as the music is played
the touch so very powerful , their very souls do they trade .
They will see the lights and swoon at this production
but like a lamb to the slaughter they will embrace the great seduction .
COME YE OUT of the unity churches now . Flee those who seek experience and feelings and drop nothing but accusations against correction
Ziggy
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Just so you all know...
Some of us are on a camping trip right now.
Sure would like you to join us.
We got s'mores and coffee and soda
A grill even and we're working on getting tents set up.
It's going to be a fun night.
Sure would love to have you along.
Come on over and sit by the campfire.
There will be songs and marshmallows for all.
Hugs
CB Camp
Some of us are on a camping trip right now.
Sure would like you to join us.
We got s'mores and coffee and soda
A grill even and we're working on getting tents set up.
It's going to be a fun night.
Sure would love to have you along.
Come on over and sit by the campfire.
There will be songs and marshmallows for all.
Hugs
CB Camp
Ziggy
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We got rainbow trout and I'm cooking a stew.
April Rose is going swimming when she gets out of the porta potty..
Campfire stories and songs start at 7pm Eastern Time.
All are welcome!
We got rainbow trout and I'm cooking a stew.
April Rose is going swimming when she gets out of the porta potty..
Campfire stories and songs start at 7pm Eastern Time.
All are welcome!
where are you guys
Illuminator
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Protestantism has borrowed heavily from Catholicism. If our theology is false, then so is yours.
Ziggy
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Illuminator
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Did the Catholic Church Prohibit Bible Reading?
Responding to Anti-Catholicism on the Internet
An anti-Catholic critic claimed knowing middle-aged ex-Catholics who were not encouraged to read God's Word. I asked a priest in his mid-60's and he said he never heard such a thing; indeed, a special indulgence was granted to anyone who faithfully read the bible on a daily basis. Pope Benedict XV wrote in his encyclical Spiritus Paraclitus of 1920: "A partial indulgence is granted to the faithful who, with the veneration due the divine Word, make a spiritual reading from the Sacred Scriptures. A plenary indulgence is granted if this reading is continued for at least one half an hour." My late aunt admitted that she was hesitant to read the bible for fear of misinterpreting the texts; however, such a personal sentiment cannot be said to reflect a Catholic prohibition. Anti-Catholic apologists themselves use isolated bits-and-pieces to refute Catholic teachings and then accuse the Church of using the same flawed methods. Such just is not the case. An anti-Catholic author, David Cloud, furthered such distortions in an article entitled, "The KJV and the Latin Vulgate." He writes:
Let us look at his assertions.
First, did the council of Trent really prohibit the reading and ownership of the bible? The answer is, no. The council fathers decreed on April 8, 1546, ". . . the synod, following the examples of the orthodox Fathers, receives and venerates with an equal affection of piety and reverence all the books both of the Old and New Testament, --seeing that one God is the author of both, . . . ." Oddly, I could not find the quotation as given by the above author; however, I did find decrees regarding UNAPPROVED and or FAULTY translations of the Scrtiptures. Just as with theological works, the Church asserted her role over their legitimate use. To suggest that the council of Trent opposed the authentic Word of God is untrue.
Second, the prohibition for Catholics in joining Bible Societies was due to the fact that these said groups did not use Scriptures approved by Church sources and were quite anti-Catholic in their approach. Such has been the continued problem with gullible Catholics stolen from Christ's Church by anti-Catholic fundamentalist bible study programs, some which particularly target Catholics. Again, this was no disdain for the holy Scriptures, only for the malicious intent by which some men use them.
Third, the concern about bible distribution was that Protestant bibles were being circulated which in missing texts and in footnotes often questioned and ridiculed Catholic teaching. Obviously, the Church preferred that Catholics read bibles which reflected the orthodox Catholic interpretation of the Word of God. The misuse of the Gospel against the Church established by Christ himself is as Pope Leo XII noted nothing less than satanic. Cloud's interpretation of Church history, or tradition, is as cloudy as the anti-Catholic's understanding of the Scriptures.
Having attacked Christ's Church, the anti-Catholic bigot who quoted Cloud on his website has the audacity to call the Catholic his "friend." This hackneyed sign of affection was used several years ago by the pornography and prostitute addicted Jimmy Swaggert in a pamphlet to proslytize Catholics. The anti-Catholic critic, when he runs out of material, will often harp about the so-called multitude killed by Catholics and declared heretics. It is true that civil societies in the past did engage in much nonsense, both Catholic and Protestant, however, both camps equated spiritual murder with physical murder and subsequently confused the penalties.
Neither Protestants nor Catholics would want to be classified by the actions of extremists. Returning to the subject of the bible, it is my supposition that if properly studied with care to the sources and the literary forms of the text, it will affirm the Catholic faith. Such an openness to the truth of the Scriptures have led many of the more astute Protestants into the Catholic Church. However, the more emotional, embittered, and ignorant the researcher-- the less affected they are by such truths or the claims of the Catholic Church.
The message of our loving God to such critics would be to put aside their prejudice and hatred and taste and see the goodness of the Lord in the Catholic community.
Did the Catholic Church Forbid Bible Reading? (tripod.com)
Responding to Anti-Catholicism on the Internet
An anti-Catholic critic claimed knowing middle-aged ex-Catholics who were not encouraged to read God's Word. I asked a priest in his mid-60's and he said he never heard such a thing; indeed, a special indulgence was granted to anyone who faithfully read the bible on a daily basis. Pope Benedict XV wrote in his encyclical Spiritus Paraclitus of 1920: "A partial indulgence is granted to the faithful who, with the veneration due the divine Word, make a spiritual reading from the Sacred Scriptures. A plenary indulgence is granted if this reading is continued for at least one half an hour." My late aunt admitted that she was hesitant to read the bible for fear of misinterpreting the texts; however, such a personal sentiment cannot be said to reflect a Catholic prohibition. Anti-Catholic apologists themselves use isolated bits-and-pieces to refute Catholic teachings and then accuse the Church of using the same flawed methods. Such just is not the case. An anti-Catholic author, David Cloud, furthered such distortions in an article entitled, "The KJV and the Latin Vulgate." He writes:
The Council of Trent (1545-1564) placed the Bible on its list of prohibited books, and forbade any person to read the Bible without a license from a Roman Catholic bishop or inquisitor. The Council added these words: "That if any one shall dare to read or keep in his possession that book, without such a license, he shall not receive absolution till he has given it up to his ordinary."
Rome's attempt to keep the Bible from men has continued to recent times. Pope Pius VII (1800-1823) denounced the Bible Society and expressed shock at the circulation of the Scriptures. Pius VII said, "It is evidence from experience, that the holy Scriptures, when circulated in the vulgar tongue, have, through the temerity of men, produced more harm than benefit." Pope Leo XII called the Protestant Bible the "Gospel of the Devil" in an encyclical letter of 1824. Pope Gregory XVI (1831-1846) railed "against the publication, distribution, reading, and possession of books of the holy Scriptures translated into the vulgar tongue."
Pope Leo XII, in January 1850, condemned the Bible Societies and admitted the fact that the distribution of Scripture has "long been condemned by the holy chair."
Rome's attempt to keep the Bible from men has continued to recent times. Pope Pius VII (1800-1823) denounced the Bible Society and expressed shock at the circulation of the Scriptures. Pius VII said, "It is evidence from experience, that the holy Scriptures, when circulated in the vulgar tongue, have, through the temerity of men, produced more harm than benefit." Pope Leo XII called the Protestant Bible the "Gospel of the Devil" in an encyclical letter of 1824. Pope Gregory XVI (1831-1846) railed "against the publication, distribution, reading, and possession of books of the holy Scriptures translated into the vulgar tongue."
Pope Leo XII, in January 1850, condemned the Bible Societies and admitted the fact that the distribution of Scripture has "long been condemned by the holy chair."
Let us look at his assertions.
First, did the council of Trent really prohibit the reading and ownership of the bible? The answer is, no. The council fathers decreed on April 8, 1546, ". . . the synod, following the examples of the orthodox Fathers, receives and venerates with an equal affection of piety and reverence all the books both of the Old and New Testament, --seeing that one God is the author of both, . . . ." Oddly, I could not find the quotation as given by the above author; however, I did find decrees regarding UNAPPROVED and or FAULTY translations of the Scrtiptures. Just as with theological works, the Church asserted her role over their legitimate use. To suggest that the council of Trent opposed the authentic Word of God is untrue.
Second, the prohibition for Catholics in joining Bible Societies was due to the fact that these said groups did not use Scriptures approved by Church sources and were quite anti-Catholic in their approach. Such has been the continued problem with gullible Catholics stolen from Christ's Church by anti-Catholic fundamentalist bible study programs, some which particularly target Catholics. Again, this was no disdain for the holy Scriptures, only for the malicious intent by which some men use them.
Third, the concern about bible distribution was that Protestant bibles were being circulated which in missing texts and in footnotes often questioned and ridiculed Catholic teaching. Obviously, the Church preferred that Catholics read bibles which reflected the orthodox Catholic interpretation of the Word of God. The misuse of the Gospel against the Church established by Christ himself is as Pope Leo XII noted nothing less than satanic. Cloud's interpretation of Church history, or tradition, is as cloudy as the anti-Catholic's understanding of the Scriptures.
Having attacked Christ's Church, the anti-Catholic bigot who quoted Cloud on his website has the audacity to call the Catholic his "friend." This hackneyed sign of affection was used several years ago by the pornography and prostitute addicted Jimmy Swaggert in a pamphlet to proslytize Catholics. The anti-Catholic critic, when he runs out of material, will often harp about the so-called multitude killed by Catholics and declared heretics. It is true that civil societies in the past did engage in much nonsense, both Catholic and Protestant, however, both camps equated spiritual murder with physical murder and subsequently confused the penalties.
Neither Protestants nor Catholics would want to be classified by the actions of extremists. Returning to the subject of the bible, it is my supposition that if properly studied with care to the sources and the literary forms of the text, it will affirm the Catholic faith. Such an openness to the truth of the Scriptures have led many of the more astute Protestants into the Catholic Church. However, the more emotional, embittered, and ignorant the researcher-- the less affected they are by such truths or the claims of the Catholic Church.
The message of our loving God to such critics would be to put aside their prejudice and hatred and taste and see the goodness of the Lord in the Catholic community.
Did the Catholic Church Forbid Bible Reading? (tripod.com)
Wrangler
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Ziggy
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I don't know if the Forum even has an address.. hmm
tough question.
I forgot where @April_Rose said we were going.
But it's a good place.
C'mon over..
here's a ticket for the virtual bus..
CB Camp
I don't know if the Forum even has an address.. hmm
tough question.
I forgot where @April_Rose said we were going.
But it's a good place.
C'mon over..
here's a ticket for the virtual bus..
CB Camp
So it’s virtual camping?
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