new version of OSAS?

[marks]

Paul himself judges them!

I have already passed judgment in the name of our Lord Jesus on the one who has been doing this. 1 Corinthians 5:3​

He says this guy who is sinning is to be turned over to satan for the destruction of the flesh because he's not going to be saved when Jesus comes back if his sin is not put to death in his flesh....

hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, a b so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord. 1 Corinthians 5:5
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The NEW Osas ignores all this and says he was saved, is saved, and will always be saved, despite the plain words of Paul that says that his sin must be put to death in order for him to be saved when Jesus comes back. The OLD Osas says he was never saved to begin with and that turning him over to satan might bring him to his senses so that he'll get saved.

This isn't some proof of what you claim. No where in that passage are we assured this man was born again. You include that as it bolsters your assertion, but since it's not actually in the Bible, that's your own addition.


1 It is actually reported that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not even among the Gentiles, that one [of you] hath his father's wife.
2 And ye are puffed up, and did not rather mourn, that he that had done this deed might be taken away from among you.
3 For I verily, being absent in body but present in spirit, have already as though I were present judged him that hath so wrought this thing, 4 in the name of our Lord Jesus, ye being gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5 to deliver such a one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
7 Purge out the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, even as ye are unleavened. For our passover also hath been sacrificed, [even] Christ: 8 wherefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
9 I wrote unto you in my epistle to have no company with fornicators; 10 not at all [meaning] with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous and extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world: 11 but as it is, I wrote unto you not to keep company, if any man that is named a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such a one no, not to eat.
12 For what have I to do with judging them that are without? Do not ye judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Put away the wicked man from among yourselves.

Much love!

 

[marks]

The old Osas did not teach that you can live in sin and you remain a Christian. It said that if you did that you were never a Christian to begin with. It's the NEW Osas that says you can stop believing and go back to your sinful life, on purpose, and you are still saved. But it does get confusing because some of them do seem to dodge back and forth between the two Osas's making it hard to discuss anything with them. And so it is true that some of them do not know what they believe.

I think the only ones who demonstrate this level of confusion are you who are fighting against God's promise to save to the uttermost His children. But then that's hardly surprising!

Much love!

 

[TheslightestID]

4 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,

That is an interesting verse for a few reasons, the one at hand, or that people do fall away from the faith,

Then the fact that those who believe this OSAS nonsense are actually devoting themselves to
the "deceitful spirits and teachings of demons" in that scriptures.

So be careful folks, and don't fall for easy way OSAS, and fall away from the true faith.

 

[marks]

A very accurate description of OSASers!

License to sin / OSAS!

No it's not. Broad brush fallacy.

Much love!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

If you ever admit that “ Jesus Paid It ALL” and it is Not Repentance and the avoidance Of Willful Sins That Saves......we can be Brothers.....until then, I am not so sure.

I see. Jesus covers all sins except not believing that I can live in sin and still be saved. I guess the fishing trip is off, then(?)

 

[TheslightestID]

Ferris has a very dedicated fan. Lol

 

[marks]

Are you referring to those who believe that they are saved and believe that they could be unsaved by making the choice again between believing Christ or rejecting Him? Something they said they have already settled before, having chosen to believe? And while they claim to have done that, they claim still to make that same choice day after day, with the possibility of them making the other choice. That by itself just shows that they have not really made the choice before regarding that, which they claim they have, even claiming to have been saved through it.

If one claims to have made the choice of believing in Jesus Christ, but still face the same choice each day thereafter is I’d say, is a double minded person, unstable in all his ways. One who have made the choice sincerely from his heart to believe in God and have faith in Jesus Christ, do not have to face that matter ever again. He ought to start living out the eternal life that God had freely given him, as a child of God.

Tong
R3457

That's very insightful!

Much love!

 

[TheslightestID]

No it's not.

All talk and no proof.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

This isn't some proof of what you claim. No where in that passage are we assured this man was born again. You include that as it bolsters your assertion, but since it's not actually in the Bible, that's your own addition.

Don't tell me, lol. Tell those in the Osas camp that use it to say you can't be lost! I'm just addressing their argument.

 

[marks]

I see. Jesus covers all sins except not believing that I can live in sin and still be saved. I guess the fishing trip is off, then(?)

Jesus removed all sins. Animal blood only covered sin. Jesus' blood and animal blood are not the same, and God takes serious exception to someone saying otherwise.

Behold! The Lamb of God Who carries away the sin of the world!

Much love!

 

[marks]

Don't tell me, lol. Tell those in the Osas camp that use it to say you can't be lost! I'm just addressing their argument.

I'm addressing your argument.

I'm telling you.

You deflect like usual. You're continuing deflections betray the weakness of your argument perceived by you. If you had good replies, I believe you would offer them. Your constant deflections tell me you do not.

Much love!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Jesus removed all sins. Animal blood only covered sin. Jesus' blood and animal blood are not the same, and God takes serious exception to someone saying otherwise.

Behold! The Lamb of God Who carries away the sin of the world!

Much love!

I guess you don't understand. I'm saved via the gospel of 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. And BB is all about there is no sin that can't be forgiven for the saved person. But, I guess he means all sins except the sin of not believing that God forgives all the saved person's sins. He says I can't be considered a brother for committing that sin. Apparently, he was wrong. There is a sin that God can't forgive for the saved person.

 

[marks]

You and the other Legalists acknowledge that Jesus is Essential for Salvation, but you do not believe He is
Adequate” for Salvation in and of and of Himself....YOU have to do YOUR part—- AVOID WILLFUL SINS or go to Hell......

That's just it. They add "their part", they always have to have a part of the pie! Stop sinning to remain saved! Gotta Keep Believing to keep being saved! What a low view of salvation!!

Much love!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I'm addressing your argument.

I'm telling you.

You deflect like usual. You're continuing deflections betray the weakness of your argument perceived by you. If you had good replies, I believe you would offer them. Your constant deflections tell me you do not.

Much love!

Pleas stop it you big baby, lol!

If you knew anything about me you'd know I'm the one that says the passage is unclear as to whether the person being put out of the church is saved or not. But since Osas uses it as proof that a saved person remains saved I show them the fallacy of THEIR argument.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

That's just it. They add "their part", they always have to have a part of the pie!

To date you have provided ZERO Biblical defense to your bold assertion that believing is you trying to earn your own salvation. If you could just do that you'd win. But, as it is, you can't, because it's not there.

 

[Cooper]

And that's how you think of Jesus??

He is the One building the church.

This, in case you've wondered, is an example of those word games. You may as well be spinning in circles.

Much love!

Just make sure you are not one of the stones the builder rejecrs.
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[marks]

I guess you don't understand. I'm saved via the gospel of 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. And BB is all about there is no sin that can't be forgiven for the saved person. But, I guess he means all sins except the sin of not believing that God forgives all the saved person's sins. He says I can't be considered a brother for committing that sin. Apparently, he was wrong. There is a sin that God can't forgive for the saved person.

No no no . . .

"I see. Jesus covers all sins except not believing that I can live in sin and still be saved. I guess the fishing trip is off, then(?)"

Jesus removed all sins. Animal blood only covered sin. Jesus' blood and animal blood are not the same, and God takes serious exception to someone saying otherwise.

Behold! The Lamb of God Who carries away the sin of the world!

When you say Jesus covers sins, you make Him no better than an animal sacrifice. And you present an incorrect view of propitiation.

Much love!

 

[marks]

To date you have provided ZERO Biblical defense to your bold assertion that believing is you trying to earn your own salvation. If you could just do that you'd win. But, as it is, you can't, because it's not there.

Once again . . . Straw man . . .

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Stop sinning to remain saved! Gotta Keep Believing to keep being saved! What a low view of salvation!!

Don't you understand that going back to you life of sin is the equivalent of going back to unbelief? The condition for salvation is that you believe. And last time I checked 'unbelief' is not 'believing'. Unbelief does not satisfy God's condition for remaining in salvation and the promise of eternal life....

see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. And this is what he promised us—eternal life. 1 John 2:24-25​

 

[Ferris Bueller]

No no no . . .

"I see. Jesus covers all sins except not believing that I can live in sin and still be saved. I guess the fishing trip is off, then(?)"

Jesus removed all sins. Animal blood only covered sin. Jesus' blood and animal blood are not the same, and God takes serious exception to someone saying otherwise.

Behold! The Lamb of God Who carries away the sin of the world!

When you say Jesus covers sins, you make Him no better than an animal sacrifice. And you present an incorrect view of propitiation.

Much love!

You STILL don't get it, lol! BB won't consider me—a saved person per 1 Corinthians 15:1-4—a brother because this saved person (me) doesn't believe that a saved person can live in sin and be saved when Jesus comes back. I guess that's the one sin that Jesus can't forgive for his saved people, even though BB insists there is no sin that saved people can commit that Jesus won't forgive.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Do you teach as others here, in that we can live in adultry as an on going lifestyle without repentance and still go to heaven?

Do you teach others that your sins are not so bad and as long as you do not commit these particular sins you will be ok? I am just trying to figure out how you justify your own sins.

Either Way. John is clear. A child of God could not continue in adultry (he can not sin because he has been born of God). Because he has been born of God. I can only assume you have never been chastened By God or felt the guilt which comes from sin so this is why it you can not comprehend what John means?