Forgiveness is to those who keep the commandments of the Lord.

[kcnalp]

In James 2:26, the comparison of the human spirit and faith converge around their modes of operation. The spirit (Greek pneuma) may also be translated "breath." As a breathless body exhibits no indication of life, so fruitless faith exhibits no indication of life. The source of the life in faith is not works; rather, life in faith is the source of works. (Ephesians 2:5-10)

If you don't have works you may not be a Christian. The Christian Faith is a "works" religion.

James 2:18 (NKJV)
18 But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.

 

[kcnalp]

We are saved apart from the merit of works, (Romans 4:2-6) yet authentic faith does not remain alone from the presence of works. (James 2:14-26)

ONLY initially! Why are you against Christians doing good works???

 

[TheslightestID]

And I am satisfied you are some person who does not understand biblical truth. Even though many here have tried to show you your pride is to deep.

I have made nothing up, yu on the other hand are stuck on one verse,,well good luck

Yeah you appear to be just that..

It’s funny, I said it must be of grace or works it can’t be both, you asked me to show you, I did, you ignored it

you keep bringing up one passage, I should yu many other passages that say the opposite, yu do not even acknowledge them. You keep badgering and mocking based on one passage, which when taking you way causes Jesus to contradict himself, but you could care less. Let’s just mock the one who disagrees with you, make everything think he does not know anything so you can puff yourself up,,

news flash my friend, people will not buy it

Well I did multiple times

funny how you even asked me to show where you claimed you try to earn your salvation and when I made it so you could no longer deny it anymore, you stopped responding to that line of reasoning,

and here you want to try to mock me

I am sick of your childish behavior, so when your ready to talk like grown adults let me know

More than once you have said a scripture that very clearly says those who do good go to heaven, does not say that. You have the scripture right in front of you, and you are still in denial of what it says. Then when you get called out, you start making things up about the person you are arguing with in order to try to make up for the fact you are wrong, and you know you are wrong in your heart.

I understand that denial, and the reasons for that denial can take quote a toll on one, but when they go so far that they are no longer making sense, maybe its time for a little you time.

Hopfully with enough thought you will eventually be able discern what is real and what is not, and what is true and what is false, as, at least at this point, I cannot help you.

Even mailmandan can see the scripture states those who do good will go to heaven, and why he will not intervein and try to help you see that is a fact is beyond me. It's sometimes a shame what happens when two people are on the same side.... this should be more about helping you, and the truth than two people trying to make themselves appear right, and hiding the truth even when we really can see it.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

They sure are!

James 2:26 (NKJV)
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Yep

so if you CLAIM to have faith yet have never done 1 work your faith is dead,

salvation is by living faith not dead

works are not required, they are a byproduct of living faith.

you will see one day my friend you will see

 

[Eternally Grateful]

We are saved apart from the merit of works, (Romans 4:2-6) yet authentic faith does not remain alone from the presence of works. (James 2:14-26)

They have their pet passages yet refuse to acknowledge the rest of scripture,

they think because they take their passages out of context they are right, yet they fail to use scripture to interpret scripture.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

ONLY initially! Why are you against Christians doing good works???

He is not

I suggest yu stop bearing false witness against him!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

More than once you have said a scripture that very clearly says those who do good go to heaven, does not say that. You have the scripture right in front of you, and you are still in denial of what it says. Then when you get called out, you start making things up about the person you are arguing with in order to try to make up for the fact you are wrong, and you know you are wrong in your heart.

I understand that denial, and the reasons for that denial can take quote a toll on one, but when they go so far that they are no longer making sense, maybe its time for a little you time.

Hopfully with enough thought you will eventually be able discern what is real and what is not, and what is true and what is false, as, at least at this point, I cannot help you.

Even mailmandan can see the scripture states those who do good will go to heaven, and why he will not intervein and try to help you see that is a fact is beyond me. It's sometimes a shame what happens when two people are on the same side.... this should be more about helping you, and the truth than two people trying to make themselves appear right, and hiding the truth even when we really can see it.

I have said multiple times. We are saved by grace through faith. Works have no part of our salvation process, they are a result,

one day you will learn to interpret what others say, I have never said a child of god will never work.

again wake up dude, I am sick of your childish behavior,

 

[kcnalp]

Yep

so if you CLAIM to have faith yet have never done 1 work your faith is dead,

Stop twisting my words.

salvation is by living faith not dead

works are not required, they are a byproduct of living faith.

you will see one day my friend you will see

I see now. The OSAS judges with their works religion accusing others of what OSASers are guilty of. Hypocrisy!

James 2:22 (NKJV)
22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect?

 

[mailmandan]

If you don't have works you may not be a Christian. The Christian Faith is a "works" religion.

James 2:18 (NKJV)
18 But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.

We show our faith by our works, but works do not establish our faith. The Christian faith results in producing works and we are saved FOR good works. (Ephesians 2:10)

 

[kcnalp]

He is not

I suggest yu stop bearing false witness against him!

You are attacking Christians for having good works. If you don't have Christian works then you aren't a Christian! Do you have Christian works?

 

[mailmandan]

ONLY initially! Why are you against Christians doing good works???

What do you mean by ONLY initially? When did I say I was against Christians doing good works? That is a straw man argument.

 

[kcnalp]

We show our faith by our works, but works do not establish our faith. The Christian faith results in producing works and we are saved FOR good works. (Ephesians 2:10)

BINGO! Yours is a works religion also!

 

[kcnalp]

What do you mean my ONLY initially?

You don't know what "initially" means? When someone gets saved he/she hasn't done any Christian works.

When did I say I was against Christians doing good works? That is a straw man argument.

You should pay attention to OSASer's attacks on people who believe in Christians good works. Kind of like the constant attacks on NON OSASers.

Christianity is certainly a "works" religion! Without Christian works you're still dead in your sins.

 

[mailmandan]

BINGO! Yours is a works religion also!

Again, big difference between saved BY good works and saved FOR good works.

 

[kcnalp]

Again, big difference between saved BY good works and saved FOR good works.

Again you attack good works! You have a real problem. Maybe it's that OSAS self righteousness.

 

[mailmandan]

You don't know what "initially" means? When someone gets saved he/she hasn't done any Christian works.

You should pay attention to OSASer's attacks on people who believe in Christians good works. Kind of like the constant attacks on NON OSASers.

Christianity is certainly a "works" religion! Without Christian works you're still dead in your sins.

I know what initially means. Without being made alive together with Christ (by grace through faith) we are still dead in our sins. (Ephesians 2:5-8) Christian works “follow” having been saved by grace through faith and having our sins forgiven. (Ephesians 2:8-10) All you constantly do is accuse OSASers of attacking NOSASers, yet all I hear you do is attack OSASers. You are obsessed!

 

[mailmandan]

Again you attack good works! You have a real problem. Maybe it's that OSAS self righteousness.

Your continual straw man arguments expose your true colors. You like to play games and are completely obsessed with attacking OSAS.

 

[kcnalp]

I know what initially means. Without being made alive together with Christ (by grace through faith) we are still dead in our sins. (Ephesians 2:5-8) Christian works “follow” having been saved by grace through faith and having our sins forgiven. (Ephesians 2:8-10) All you constantly do is accuse OSASers of attacking NOSASers, yet all I hear you do is attack OSASers. You are obsessed!

OSASers love playing the victim while attacking NON OSASers. But it truly makes sense how OSAS and no works fit together. OSASers don't have to do Christian works because they can NEVER be unsaved. Well I have news for OSAS no works folks. Christians do good works.

 

[mailmandan]

OSASers love playing the victim while attacking NON OSASers. But it truly makes sense how OSAS and no works fit together. OSASers don't have to do Christian works because they can NEVER be unsaved. Well I have news for OSAS no works folks. Christians do good works.

 

[TheslightestID]

I have said multiple times. We are saved by grace through faith. Works have no part of our salvation process, they are a result,

one day you will learn to interpret what others say, I have never said a child of god will never work.

again wake up dude, I am sick of your childish behavior,

Sad.