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The most difficult thing Christians go through are the “temptations” they are to endure—and a Christian will endure every single one. Know that God uses everything—especially the trials, for the benefit of believers (Ro 8:28). This promise alone is enough to use to deal with the hardness from a trial, but God goes further, in that “God is faithful, Who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it” (1Co 10:13.

No matter what the hardness, God will cause you to endure it, esp. when you don’t know how or what to feel, for His “grace is sufficient” (2Co 12:9); and trials are tests that will manifest whether or not one is reborn, so you will eventually know for certain. There are three promises here that God uses to take one through the difficulties that will “suffice.”

1. God doesn’t allow the trail to be beyond the believer’s ability to endure it. If one thinks it’s too much, then you have yet to believe and learn this lesson, but He will always take you through it anyway. 2. God “makes a way” we can endure it, but it requires the trust and faith to use it. It just requires being patient as possible while you are waiting for the resolution (Rom 12:12). 3. This promise is part of which one receives when waiting, even if you can’t learn patience in it yet, He will take you through it regardless. Our Father knows the extent of our ability, and keeps it within one’s level of maturity—so that you will “be able to bare it,” that is, the ability to deal with it. Again, it just requires patiently waiting on, and trusting God for the deliverance. Even if one doesn’t know what or how to think or feel concerning the difficulty, He will still deliver you through to its end; and you will learn something after the trial.

Often the trial involves the Enemy attempting to bring you to an agreement of guilt concerning something—when you fully know you have not intentionally sinned anywhere; or the trial might just involve a feeling of not caring about anything. Nothing means anything to you, even eating and sleeping, one is just empty—except for loving and trusting God for everything, which is the main purpose of the trails!

It’s my belief that believers learn most of God’s love through the trials, because these are the hardest times, which is like a fire, that burns away the doubt and leaves the faith; and a stronger faith at that, through every trial!

May the Father of all trials guide you to continue “to be conformed to the image of His Son;” (Rom 8:29; 2Co 3:18).
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No matter what the hardness, God will cause you to endure it,

You are a devout Calvinist.

So, you've been taught to believe and teach the deception.... that God personally causes all harmful situations that hurt the born again Christians....., or that God woke up the Devil today, just to give you a sickness to "grow you in the faith"..

So, Your anti-NT theology, is not related to the NT, but its certainly right out of the Hyper-Calvinism Handbook for : Deceived Disciples.
 

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You are a devout Calvinist.

So, you've been taught to believe and teach the deception.... that God personally causes all harmful situations that hurt the born again Christians....., or that God woke up the Devil today, just to give you a sickness to "grow you in the faith"..

So, Your anti-NT theology, is not related to the NT, but its certainly right out of the Hyper-Calvinism Handbook for : Deceived Disciples.
Have you never read Romans 8:28 here in the AV. And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

It is God who rules over us and he works in our lives to refine us.as 1 cor 10 says 13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
 

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You are a devout Calvinist.

So, you've been taught to believe and teach the deception.... that God personally causes all harmful situations that hurt the born again Christians....., or that God woke up the Devil today, just to give you a sickness to "grow you in the faith"..

So, Your anti-NT theology, is not related to the NT, but its certainly right out of the Hyper-Calvinism Handbook for : Deceived Disciples.
My dear Behold, you're always working to set up false Calvinistic straw-persons and then knocking them down. What other subjects are you passionate about that we can discuss rationally?

However, as a Calvinist, I declare to you that God does not personally cause harmful situations in believers' lives, but he ALLOWS or PERMITS people or Satan to CAUSE them and then brings good out of them. Thus, he is only responsible for the resulting blessings, not at all for causing them, since he doesn't.

If you would read John Calvin and the relevant Bible passages like Job 1 and 2, you would see that the Bible agrees with me with the insights that God has given me through his Word during my 82 years on the earth.
 
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Have you never read Romans 8:28 here in the AV. And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

Let me explain that verse..

"those who are called according to God's Purpose"...... and that is "If i be lifted up (On the Cross) I will Call (Draw) ALL people to myself"

What is that?
That is, "God would that all believe in Jesus"........but not all will....yet its God purpose to provide Jesus for All, so that we can ALL trust in Jesus.


Also..

"All thing work together for them that love God".......Is not teaching that God instructs Satan to give Cancer to your infant, so that the baby dies, so that , you suffer this torment of loss, until the day you die, 40 yrs later, so that you become more "spiritual".

A.) God does not predestine your sickness, and God does not send the Devil to you, to destroy you for a while, so that you become more Christlike.

Jesus said..."if you've seen me, you've Seen the FATHER".. "that which i see the Father do.. that i do".

So, did you ever read in a NT that Jesus cast a Demon INTO someone?
Did you ever read where Jesus gave someone cancer, or poverty?

WHen you see JESUS, you've seen how the FATHER treats US.....
 

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You are a devout Calvinist.

So, you've been taught to believe and teach the deception.... that God personally causes all harmful situations that hurt the born again Christians....., or that God woke up the Devil today, just to give you a sickness to "grow you in the faith"..

So, Your anti-NT theology, is not related to the NT, but its certainly right out of the Hyper-Calvinism Handbook for : Deceived Disciples.
Accusations will get you nowhere. You need to at least present your judgment of why you say what you say, so we could have something to discuss. God bless!
 

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Ive already dealt with you in the past, regarding your Threads that Teach Calvinism.

And this explains why you can't deny what i posted., unless you want to tell a Lie.

If you did, do you think you were "pre-destined" to do it? @Netchaplain
In my understanding predestination is just that which God already knows is going to occur. He also knows what everyone's choices will be; to be right with God or not! For example, those who are not going to choose God are in His foreknowledge of it--and therefore are predestined to be condemned. It's one's own choice for life or eternal death (lake of fire), in my opinion.
 

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those who are not going to choose God are in His foreknowledge of it--and therefore are predestined to be condemned.

And if you teach that as... "God knows, before you are born, who is not going to trust in Christ,.. ( so, you are a NT .. John 3:36)... and there is a pre-destined eternity waiting for you".

So, that is TRUE...

But CALVINISM (Hyper- TULIP)>....Teaches it like this.... falsely.... = "God predestined you to be one He does not CHOOSE to Believe in Jesus, so you are known before you are born, to be one of the Pre-destined that God wont ALLOW....to trust in Christ'"

That is ONE of the Lies of TULIP "the 5 Points", and its not the worst Lie this theology is built upon.
 

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Let me explain that verse..

"those who are called according to God's Purpose"...... and that is "If i be lifted up (On the Cross) I will Call (Draw) ALL people to myself"

What is that?
That is, "God would that all believe in Jesus"........but not all will....yet its God purpose to provide Jesus for All, so that we can ALL trust in Jesus.


Also..

"All thing work together for them that love God".......Is not teaching that God instructs Satan to give Cancer to your infant, so that the baby dies, so that , you suffer this torment of loss, until the day you die, 40 yrs later, so that you become more "spiritual".

A.) God does not predestine your sickness, and God does not send the Devil to you, to destroy you for a while, so that you become more Christlike.

Jesus said..."if you've seen me, you've Seen the FATHER".. "that which i see the Father do.. that i do".

So, did you ever read in a NT that Jesus cast a Demon INTO someone?
Did you ever read where Jesus gave someone cancer, or poverty?

WHen you see JESUS, you've seen how the FATHER treats US.....
My late wife and I had our second child, Keith, who came down with leukemia and died about two years later at the age of 4 1/2. Now, the fallen world, Satan, and human sinful rebellion were the direct causes of Keith's illness and death. On the other hand, his sickness and death God used for our good to bring us closer to him by being much more prayerful, for example. And he gave his peace of Philippians 4:6-7 to accept Keith's death. It was for our good, therefore, that God PERMITTED Keith's leukemia in his play for our lives, according to that verse as well as many others.

At the same time, I had left his call to be a pastor to go into teaching instead. Keith's death was one ten events that God used to renew that call and to even convince my wife that I must follow that original call to become a pastor. Thus, I have lived the truth of Romans 8:28.
 

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God PERMITTED Keith's leukemia in his play for our lives,

Im sorry for your loss.

Ive had a few myself, as noone gets out of this world without being Thorn'd to the bone, so i can relate.
However...
You'll excuse me for not posting any of the Tragedies ive had to face, and endure, till this very hour..... to try to falsely prove that God is somehow the cause or the one who permitted it all.
I decline to blame God for causing or "permitting"... the Devil's work.

So, Its unfortunate that you want to post your hurtful situation as your way to try to continue to sell Calvinism.

Also,

Calvinist's are always the first in line... to negatively and falsely frame God within a situation , as causing something or permitting something horrible to happen, vs, allowing the Devil to take the blame, which is the truth.

I deeply deeply despise Calvinism for many reasons, and one of them is that the Calvinist, is never able to present the Devil as doing the Devil's work, and they always instead present the Devil's work, as God somehow in on it, or causing it, or permitting it.
This is significantly insulting to God, whom the Calvinists claims..... is their Heavenly Father.

This proves that the Calvinist's Idea of God has nothing to do with The Real Heavenly Father.

Calvinism & Hyper Calvinism.... is/are = a rotting theological and spiritual cancer on the Body of Christ.

Here is what the deceived Calvinist, will meet in Heaven...

Jesus will say to you...the Calvinist, at the Judgement Seat (bema seat)......."""what did you do for me, im MY BODY"""">..

And the deceived Calvinist will say ...>>""""I led many to Calvin's Theology for many years."""" "defended it"..

And Jesus will say.....= ... ""Hummmmmm, I never did"".
 
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And if you teach that as... "God knows, before you are born, who is not going to trust in Christ,.. ( so, you are a NT .. John 3:36)... and there is a pre-destined eternity waiting for you".

So, that is TRUE...

But CALVINISM (Hyper- TULIP)>....Teaches it like this.... falsely.... = "God predestined you to be one He does not CHOOSE to Believe in Jesus, so you are known before you are born, to be one of the Pre-destined that God wont ALLOW....to trust in Christ'"

That is ONE of the Lies of TULIP "the 5 Points", and its not the worst Lie this theology is built upon.
What is meant by God being omniscient? God has known everything from eternity-past!
 

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What is meant by God being omniscient? God has known everything from eternity-past!

God knows you are going to eat more food today.
Is His "omniscient" knowing, causing you to chose what time you will eat, and what you will eat?

So, the "sovereign God", theology, is always taken too far.. ... right into...>>"God knowing what is going happen next, is God causing it".

And THAT is Calvins lie., the root lie that led to all the others in TULIP.

Calvin changed "Foreknowledge of God".. into "Predestined by God" and then took that misunderstanding, and created a Theology that isnt' true.
 

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God knows you are going to eat more food today.
Is His "omniscient" knowing, causing you to chose what time you will eat, and what you will eat?
He knows when you are choosing to eat and what it will be! I don't think you're understanding what omniscience means!
So, the "sovereign God", theology, is always taken too far.. ... right into...>>"God knowing what is going happen next, is God causing it".
Sometimes He causes things to occur for His use, like Job's trial, God is the One who started it to occur (Job 1:8)
 

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What is meant by God being omniscient? God has known everything from eternity-past!
You have some good points, but I'm not sure it's that clear cut. Maybe, but maybe not.

Jer 36:3,

It may be that the house of Judah will hear all the evil which I purpose to do unto them; that they may return every man from his evil way; that I may forgive their iniquity and their sin.​
Jer 36:3,

It may be that the house of Judah will hear all the evil which I purpose to do unto them; that they may return every man from his evil way; that I may forgive their iniquity and their sin.​
That seems to say God wasn't totally sure how Israel would react. There are also multiple times when God repented from doing one thing or anther. Moses interceded multiple times for Israel to avoid God's wrath. If God had known that was going to happen, it'd be strange that He threatened them with punishment in the first place.

When the whole scope of scripture is considered, I think God has a pretty good idea of what someone may do, but He must wait to see for sure, and then react to what they actually do (not much different than any parent/child relationship). I think that shows His resourcefulness to bring about His ultimate plan regardless of how people act.

We'll find out for sure what's what when Jesus appears in glory. Given we see through a dark glass, I'm confident we all have some things right and some things wrong.
 

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Im sorry for your loss.

Ive had a few myself, as noone gets out of this world without being Thorn'd to the bone, so i can relate.
However...
You'll excuse me for not posting any of the Tragedies ive had to face, and endure, till this very hour..... to try to falsely prove that God is somehow the cause or the one who permitted it all.
I decline to blame God for causing or "permitting"... the Devil's work.

So, Its unfortunate that you want to post your hurtful situation as your way to try to continue to sell Calvinism.

Also,

Calvinist's are always the first in line... to negatively and falsely frame God within a situation , as causing something or permitting something horrible to happen, vs, allowing the Devil to take the blame, which is the truth.

I deeply deeply despise Calvinism for many reasons, and one of them is that the Calvinist, is never able to present the Devil as doing the Devil's work, and they always instead present the Devil's work, as God somehow in on it, or causing it, or permitting it.
This is significantly insulting to God, whom the Calvinists claims..... is their Heavenly Father.

This proves that the Calvinist's Idea of God has nothing to do with The Real Heavenly Father.

Calvinism & Hyper Calvinism.... is/are = a rotting theological and spiritual cancer on the Body of Christ.

Here is what the deceived Calvinist, will meet in Heaven...

Jesus will say to you...the Calvinist, at the Judgement Seat (bema seat)......."""what did you do for me, im MY BODY"""">..

And the deceived Calvinist will say ...>>""""I led many to Calvin's Theology for many years."""" "defended it"..

And Jesus will say.....= ... ""Hummmmmm, I never did"".
Behold, I respect your beliefs, but you don't respect mine. You seem to be saying that God has no control over evil; that belief is insulting to the sovereign God. We DO NOT "negatively and falsely frame God." He is "large and in charge," as someone has said. He limits even Satan in his attacks and influences on God's people but is NOT responsible for those actions.

He will also ask you what you did for him in his body. How will you respond to that question in relation to your brother and sister Calvinists?
 

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He knows when you are choosing to eat and what it will be! I don't think you're understanding what omniscience means!

God's "Foreknowledge" knows what you are going to do next.....including what you will eat, or post.

That is not God "pre-destining it"..


Sometimes He causes things to occur for His use, like Job's trial, God is the One who started it to occur (Job 1:8)

Job was not a born again Christian.
Job was not a NT Christian.
Job was in a situation that He caused.

How did he cause it?

Notice this verse.. "The Devil walks about as a ( roaring lion) looking for those whom, He may EAT. (harm) Devour".

See that?

Job invited that, and said this..>>"that which i FEAR, has come upon me"...

See that "FEAR".....
That is what the "Devil walks about looking for"......

Fear invites the thing you fear to come to you.
FEAR invites the Devil to bring it to you.
This is why the Bible says..>>"God has not given us.....>THE SPIRIT OF FEAR".. but of POWER< and of a Sound Mind"..

Fear is the opposite of faith, and Fear has spiritual power, just like Faith has spiritual power.

See, when you FEAR, then your FAITH is empowering your FEAR... so you are literally BELIEVING for the thing to happen, that you fear, and that is your FAITH.
And when you have real faith, in FEAR.... then when it comes, its because your faith caused it to happen.

= JOB
 

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Behold, I respect your beliefs, but you don't respect mine

I dont respect Calvin's doctrine of devils., that you feel as a compulsion to sell on this forum.
You attempted to teach it by sharing a very sad story, and that is unacceptable.
You should not try to sell Calvinism at all, and certainly you should not try to sell it, as you tried to sell it with your personal history.

. You seem to be saying that God has no control over evil;


God does not exercise control over evil in the way that a deceived Calvinist believes.

Here is the reality.

EVIL is what men do.. its what people do........so there is the EVIL found.
Its EVIL to try to lead real Christians into John Calvin's doctrine of devils.
How long have you be committing this evil, @Bruce-Leiter ?
So...God is not doing it........ .. PEOPLE are doing it.
So, why is this continuing?

Its because God chose to create MAN (Adam) as a free will moral agent, with the ability to chose.
Once Adam fell, sin entered the world, and then MAN's Choices, became inspired by their sin nature.. .and therefore EVIL that people do, is the end product.

So, had God chosen to create Adam as a mindless - puppet -robot..... then Adam would not have chosen to eat the Apple.

"Let US, create Man.....in OUR Image"... = So, Adam was created with a MIND and Freewill.

So, because of this......God has to allow MAN to make choices, and they made a bad one in the Garden of Eden, and they have been making EVIL choices, ever since.
Selling any heresy, like Calvinism.... on a "christian" Forum... or from a Pulpit, is EVIL = being committed.

So.....THERE is your evil found....... its MAN doing it, always.

God is in a temporary position, that was caused by creating man as a free will moral being.. and they became evil, and that is why evil exists.

When Jesus comes back to install his Millennial Reign, then God is going to make some changes... but that is "still to come".
 

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Jer 36:3,

It may be that the house of Judah will hear all the evil which I purpose to do unto them; that they may return every man from his evil way; that I may forgive their iniquity and their sin.​
That seems to say God wasn't totally sure how Israel would react. There are also multiple times when God repented from doing one thing or anther. Moses interceded multiple times for Israel to avoid God's wrath. If God had known that was going to happen, it'd be strange that He threatened them with punishment in the first place.
Hi, and appreciate your reply and comments! Scripture saying "God repented" of something is just to shew us what He is going to do; He already knew they would repent or not. Omniscience is something difficult to understand and takes time, and answers a lot of questions in Scripture. There's nothing God hasn't already known, thus no reason ever for Him to repent in the way we understand it.
 

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. Omniscience is something difficult to understand and takes time,

While you are learning it, you might want to include "Omnipotent" and 'Omnipresent" .. in your study time.

Also, learn what "Jealous God" means, and learn why "its a fearful thing to fall into the hands of THE Living God".

And once you have all those "learned"... Learn why "Jesus, who is the same Yesterday, Today, and Forever", was once the "Word was God" in John 1,......... and that Jesus made the world in John 1:10,.......... and notice that Jesus on Earth, was the "Lamb", and now He is a risen "King".

So, how is that all the "SAME"?

You have a lot of commentaries.... dig in.