Work out your own Salvation?

[amigo de christo]

I agree many are taken captive by a lie, in my early days, I too was taken captive by a lie, Amen to that.

But the lie i speak of is THE LIE .
The lie that has come of that which is of anti christ .
To merge all denominations and all religoins of the earth to be as one
under what they all beleive is GOD and HIS LOVE . JESUS HIMSELF and THE GOSPEL IS BEING DENIED
by this . ONLY AN ANTI CHRIST would preach such a thing . I aint talking
about mid , pre , post trib or some other stuff . I speak of the LIE . Many now are under a form of its influence
and while not all of those have yet bought the lie they are buying into it .
BUT MANY have rita . i am seeing all religoins embracing it . ITS a universal lie
that all THE DECIEVED can hear and will come to be one under this lie .
And it has a huge problem with the word BELIEVE when that BELIEVE WORD is attached to IN JESUS THE CHRIST .
OH it dont give a rip what doctrines one might believe , SO LONG as they believe
ITS NOT necessary to BELEIVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST or to even warn others and remind others OF THE NEED TO BELEIVE ON HIM .
that is the LIE right there . John warned of it in his letter .
Many within christendom do it using the name of JESUS
example . THEY will say WE BELIEVE HE is CHRIST , but WE DONT beleive its necessary for others to beleive HE IS .
THAT IS A WOLF in wool . they use HIS NAME to promote a lie , THE LIE that damns all .

 

[Episkopos]

But the lie i speak of is THE LIE .
The lie that has come of that which is of anti christ .
To merge all denominations and all religoins of the earth to be as one
under what they all beleive is GOD and HIS LOVE . JESUS HIMSELF and THE GOSPEL IS BEING DENIED
by this . ONLY AN ANTI CHRIST would preach such a thing . I aint talking
about mid , pre , post trib or some other stuff . I speak of the LIE . Many now are under a form of its influence
and while not all of those have yet bought the lie they are buying into it .
BUT MANY have rita . i am seeing all religoins embracing it . ITS a universal lie
that all THE DECIEVED can hear and will come to be one under this lie .
And it has a huge problem with the word BELIEVE when that BELIEVE WORD is attached to IN JESUS THE CHRIST .
OH it dont give a rip what doctrines one might believe , SO LONG as they believe
ITS NOT necessary to BELEIVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST or to even warn others and remind others OF THE NEED TO BELEIVE ON HIM .
that is the LIE right there . John warned of it in his letter .
Many within christendom do it using the name of JESUS
example . THEY will say WE BELIEVE HE is CHRIST , but WE DONT beleive its necessary for others to beleive HE IS .
THAT IS A WOLF in wool . they use HIS NAME to promote a lie , THE LIE that damns all .

You believe that there is one God; you do well: the devils also believe, and tremble. James 2:19

Your hubris is about virtue signalling...loving to judge and accuse. Makes you feel superior. But the truth is a double edged sword. Watch out as it swings the other way. As you judge so you will be judged. You need to repent...as a dire need.

 

[Lizbeth]

Do you actually read posts..?

I was Born Again by divine heart revelation ?

I hear from the Spirit of God, he speaks his word to my heart, then I check what he said in the word and post...

That is my belief...not everything in the Bible was written to a Born Again plus because it was written by man it’s fallible.

The words that are spoken to my heart/ spirit are infallible for they are the words from God via his Spirit, just as his word says.

Rom 10:14-18

How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

 

[Lizbeth]

You believe that there is one God; you do well: the devils also believe, and tremble. James 2:19

Your hubris is about virtue signalling...loving to judge and accuse. Makes you feel superior. But the truth is a double edged sword. Watch out as it swings the other way. As you judge so you will be judged. You need to repent...as a dire need.

Hmmm... then why are you judging and accusing this brother here may I ask? Hello...? LOL.

 

[amigo de christo]

You believe that there is one God; you do well: the devils also believe, and tremble. James 2:19

Your hubris is about virtue signalling...loving to judge and accuse. Makes you feel superior. But the truth is a double edged sword. Watch out as it swings the other way. As you judge so you will be judged. You need to repent...as a dire need.

Epi is not i who judge . But allow me to show you of a man i know who does judge .
And who does this man i type about Judge . THE WORDS OF JESUS THE CHRIST .
IF you would like to know the man who does such a thing
so as you can go and correct this man , well go to the mirror and remind that man
HOW DARE a man call JESUS a liar . Its not me hammering folks for remnding all of the dire need TO BELIEVE JESUS is the CHRIST
and that all is vain if one has NOT faith IN HIM . its you epi . you in deadly dire grave danger and you know it not .

 

[Episkopos]

Epi is not i who judge . But allow me to show you of a man i know who does judge .
And who does this man i type about Judge . THE WORDS OF JESUS THE CHRIST .

The sin is assuming you are God's mouthpiece and judge over others. You completely misunderstand the words of the bible. If you understood the bible you would tremble at your lack of actual connection and understanding.

IF you would like to know the man who does such a thing
so as you can go and correct this man , well go to the mirror and remind that man
HOW DARE a man call JESUS a liar . Its not me hammering folks for remnding all of the dire need TO BELIEVE JESUS is the CHRIST
and that all is vain if one has NOT faith IN HIM . its you epi . you in deadly dire grave danger and you know it not .

You need to see yourself in your own accusations. Hypocrisy blinds you to the truth.

 

[Ritajanice]

Epi is not i who judge . But allow me to show you of a man i know who does judge .
And who does this man i type about Judge . THE WORDS OF JESUS THE CHRIST .
IF you would like to know the man who does such a thing
so as you can go and correct this man , well go to the mirror and remind that man
HOW DARE a man call JESUS a liar . Its not me hammering folks for remnding all of the dire need TO BELIEVE JESUS is the CHRIST
and that all is vain if one has NOT faith IN HIM . its you epi . you in deadly dire grave danger and you know it not .

You said to me that Epi is dangerous.did you not?

I see no danger in him, so did God tell you to tell everyone that Epi is dangerous?

Or did it come out of your mouth, because you don’t understand his teaching?

I used to agree with you, I’ve backed off, you worship the Bible as you are always preaching to read the Bible.

You never preach about the Holy Spirit, the Living Holy Spirit, you seem to think that the Bible is what brought our spirit Alive in Christ, it doesn’t..my opinion.

 

[Ritajanice]

Hmmm... then why are you judging and accusing this brother here may I ask? Hello...? LOL.

You’ve done the same with Epi, plus you’ve warned me to stay away from him.

Who are you to warn me?

God has never warned me to stay away from Epi, you need to watch what you preach imo, from reading what you’ve been posting just lately..

Plus you and Amigo, Marveloustime are joined at the hip, imo,...Epi stands on God’s word alone, same as me, he ain’t no follower of people, no more than I am..

 

[Ritajanice]

Rom 10:14-18

How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

Sorry, but none of this scripture is referring to the spiritual rebirth.

God said that we must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God.

A Living mind blowing Spirit birth.

Our spirit must be permanently birthed into the Living Holy Spirit, how else do we become Alive in Christ, we come Alive in our spirit? that is where the Holy Spirit is Alive, in our spirit...that scripture you post does not resonate with my spirit, because that is not how God says we are Born Again,..that’s your own understanding of what it means to be Born Again..Born Again is not in that scripture.


So in honesty , I have no idea what you are saying here, as it does not relate to being Born Of The Spirit?

John 3:3-8​

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3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

 

[ProDeo]

You’ve done the same with Epi, plus you’ve warned me to stay away from him.

Who are you to warn me?

God has never warned me to stay away from Epi, you need to watch what you preach imo, from reading what you’ve been posting just lately..

Plus you and Amigo, Marveloustime are joined at the hip, imo,...Epi stands on God’s word alone, same as me, he ain’t no follower of people, no more than I am..

I know Epi from another forum and apparently nothing has changed, still judging brothers and sisters while preaching sinless perfection, just watch the pattern, your friends who warn you are right.

 

[Ritajanice]

I know Epi from another forum and apparently nothing has changed, still judging brothers and sisters while preaching for sinless perfection, just watch the pattern, your friends who warn you are right.

I’ve already been over this sinless perfection with you..who said we are in sinless perfection?

When we are Born Again ,God sees our sin no more, the slate has been wiped clean, he sees us in his Son Jesus, in the righteousness of Christ, Gods seed cannot indwell the heart of a sinner, not until he has brought us to repentance and forgiven our sins, that is what happens when we are Born Again, we have been set free from the burden of sin that we carried around in our heart/ spirit, it has no hold on us, we are children of light, not children of darkness any longer.

Our faith is Alive in Jesus because we are a new creation, we are no longer in the old man, we have a new man that we are now in his name is Jesus..the old man of sin is dead....he sees it no more.

Romans 6:6-18KJV. knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.

A Born Again can no longer carry on sinning, because God’s seed remains in us..all those who are Born Again...the seed the Living Holy Spirit resides/ lives in our heart/ spirit, we are Alive in Christ, we have supernatural gifted faith from God.

I listen to what they say, but, they are not my teachers... I have only one teacher / helper..he is Gods witness...the Living Holy Spirit...who witnesses/ testifies Of God’s truth straight to my heart/ spirit...I have a Living direct line of communication straight to the Father, in his will all day every day...that direct line that I have indwells my spirit, his name is the Holy Spirit, he is Gods Living witness.

Epi is no different to you ,me or anyone else, he posts what he believes he hears from the Spirit of God, same as we all do...

 

[Ritajanice]

I know Epi from another forum and apparently nothing has changed, still judging brothers and sisters

What are you doing now, if not judging Epi?

What do you mean, nothing has changed, because he doesn’t believe as you and the others believe?

Whose to say that you are in the truth as apposed to Epi truth,?

We all believe we are in the truth and stand on it...I can only go by what I believe Gods Witness His Holy Spirit speaks to my heart / spirit...if people think I’m deluded or demon possessed , no problem....when I post I believe I’m standing on his truth..the same as everyone else, they are rock solid in what they believe is Gods truth , I do the same and so does Epi.

You can never force others to believe what we believe, you can challenge it though and test the spirits .

 

[ProDeo]

I’ve already been over this sinless perfection with you..who said we are in sinless perfection?

When we are Born Again ,God sees our sin no more, the slate has been wiped clean, he sees us in his Son Jesus, in the righteousness of Christ, Gods seed cannot indwell the heart of a sinner, not until he has brought us to repentance and forgiven our sins, that is what happens when we are Born Again, we have been set free from the burden of sin that we carried around in our heart/ spirit, it has no hold on us, we are children of light, not children of darkness any longer.

Our faith is Alive in Jesus because we are a new creation, we are no longer in the old man, we have a new man that we are now in his name is Jesus..the old man of sin is dead....he sees it no more.

Romans 6:6-18KJV. knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.

A Born Again can no longer carry on sinning, because God’s seed remains in us..all those who are Born Again...the seed the Living Holy Spirit resides/ lives in our heart/ spirit, we are Alive in Christ, we have supernatural gifted faith from God.

I listen to what they say, but, they are not my teachers... I have only one teacher / helper..he is Gods witness...the Living Holy Spirit...who witnesses/ testifies Of God’s truth straight to my heart/ spirit...I have a Living direct line of communication straight to the Father, in his will all day every day...that direct line that I have indwells my spirit, his name is the Holy Spirit, he is Gods Living witness.

Epi is no different to you ,me or anyone else, he posts what he believes he hears from the Spirit of God, same as we all do...

When judging others, a) you better be right and b) and when you do, do it in love, Your hubris and what came after that is not love.

 

[Ritajanice]

When judging others, a) you better be right and b) and when you do, do it in love, Your hubris and what came after that is not love.

We’ve all done it.( judged) still do....we are taught to do it in Love my friend, only the Spirit can soften our hearts once we are Born Again, to Love, as our love comes from God...there is no love in self.

Thanks for posting, as it did resonate with my spirit, I too ask that the Holy Spirit helps me surrender more to knowing the Love Of God in my heart and show more of God’s Love through me to other people/ members.

Thank you Brother ,a good reminder to us all.

 

[Lizbeth]

Sorry, but none of this scripture is referring to the spiritual rebirth.

God said that we must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God.

A Living mind blowing Spirit birth.

Our spirit must be permanently birthed into the Living Holy Spirit, how else do we become Alive in Christ, we come Alive in our spirit? that is where the Holy Spirit is Alive, in our spirit...that scripture you post does not resonate with my spirit, because that is not how God says we are Born Again,..that’s your own understanding of what it means to be Born Again..Born Again is not in that scripture.


So in honesty , I have no idea what you are saying here, as it does not relate to being Born Of The Spirit?

John 3:3-8​

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King James Version​

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3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

I don't know whether you are arguing with those scriptures penned under inspiration of the Holy Spirit, or whether you don't understand. Probably both, it seems.

 

[Ritajanice]

I don't know whether you are arguing with those scriptures penned under inspiration of the Holy Spirit,

That scripture is not speaking to a Born Of The Spirit child.

or whether you don't understand. Probably both, it seems.

I’m arguing that scripture is not referring to being Born Of The Spirit.

Show me in that scripture where we are Born Again?

Spirit gives birth to spirit?

Born Again not Of corruptible seed Born Again of incorruptible seed that liveth and abideth forever.

God does not say that a preacher or hearing brings our spirit Alive @Lizbeth .

We are supernaturally birthed by the Living Holy Spirit, ‘tis you who isn’t understanding scripture that I post.

We are Born Of God, His seed remains in us?

John 3:3-8​

King James Version​

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit

The Bible @Lizbeth is not the Living word, the Holy Spirit is Gods Living word.

The Spirit is everywhere and his role is to birth us in the Spirit...His Living Spirit is Alive And Active in us....once we have been birthed by His Spirit.

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◄ 1 Peter 1:23 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God The Bible is not the Living Holy Spirit. A Father's Instruction …21Do not lose sight of them; keep them within your heart. 22For they are life to those who find them, and health to the wholebody. 23Guard your heart with all diligence, for from it flow springs of life.…

 

[Lizbeth]

You’ve done the same with Epi, plus you’ve warned me to stay away from him.

Who are you to warn me?

God has never warned me to stay away from Epi, you need to watch what you preach imo, from reading what you’ve been posting just lately..

Plus you and Amigo, Marveloustime are joined at the hip, imo,...Epi stands on God’s word alone, same as me, he ain’t no follower of people, no more than I am..

Epi's doctrine is out of whack in some very important areas. But I didn't know you have to be "somebody" in order to sound a warning. Even my dog warns when someone comes near my front porch. And even a donkey thousands of years ago warned somebody.

But ah sister, do you know what spirit you are of? This is sad to see. All I and others here have done is have care and concern for your soul. Well, I will leave you to the Lord. Who am I to care about anybody?

 

[Lizbeth]

That scripture is not speaking to a Born Of The Spirit child.

It's speaking to all of us, the whole born again church, as does all of scripture.

 

[Episkopos]

Epi's doctrine is out of whack in some very important areas. But I didn't know you have to be "somebody" in order to sound a warning. Even my dog warns when someone comes near my front porch. And even a donkey thousands of years ago warned somebody.

But ah sister, do you know what spirit you are of? This is sad to see. All I and others here have done is have care and concern for your soul. Well, I will leave you to the Lord. Who am I to care about anybody?

LOL My doctrine is apostolic and therefore at odds with the outer man salvation scheme that will see so many rejected on judgment day. Will these be warned? Of course not. These babble on without fear thinking that others are just as in the dark about the bible as they are. Assuming and presuming has turned many aside to fables.. and fanciful imaginations. I'm a realist. And that realism has to do with an actual and literal experience with God in His holiness. And it's for that very reason that few understand the depth of what I'm saying. Let the flesh have its way for now. Let people consider themselves to be more than they are. Let people miss the truth entirely. Judgment is coming....but only the wise will fear and depart from all this iniquity.

 

[Ritajanice]

It's speaking to all of us, the whole born again church, as does all of scripture.

That scripture as explained has nothing to do with being Born Of The Spirit, as I tried to show you.