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Sometimes, people differentiate between head knowledge and heart knowledge of Jesus. Head knowledge refers to knowing what the Bible says about Him, while heart knowledge is believing in Him as your personal Savior and knowing the joy of the Lord's salvation.

Says you.

Do you understand that God is a Living Spirit, how would we know that?

The Bible is fallible, because it was written by men, men/ woman are fallible.

You need to learn of God via His Spirit, ask him to penetrate your heart/ spirit more deeply, so that your heart/ spirit gets to know him more..not your brain/ mind.

A Born Again has a personal Living relationship with God, via his Spirit.

We are Sons / Daughters Of the most high..spirit children.

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God. These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them,because they are spiritually discerned. But he who is spiritual judges all things

You never answered one of my questions I asked of you?

Sorry Brother I only see biblical knowledge from you..very little heart knowledge @amigo de christo

Do you permanently know the Love Of God in your heart/ spirit?
If we have heart knowledge of Christ we will love His word, the truth, as set forth in the bible. Which contains not the wisdom of men but the spiritual wisdom of God. Which is what the Holy Spirit teaches.....He doesn't speak on His own. There is no competition between God's word and His Spirit. There is no division or disunity/disagreement between God's words and His spirit/heart. Out of the overflow of the heart/spirit, the mouth speaks.

The truth that is expressed in holy writ IS infallible. We just need to be aware of translation errors or shortcomings (which are relatively minor if the translation has been done faithfully). And we need to understand the difference between a faithful translation as opposed to watered down or paraphrased versions.

There are those who have either never entered into a personal relationship with the Lord, or who did but have not developed it or grown in it. And they tend to put written scripture above and ahead of a living relationship......which is not wise, since we can't understand and rightly divide the word without that relationship and reliance on the Spirit. Which grows and deepens as our knowledge/understanding also grows, hand in hand.
 

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If we have heart knowledge of Christ we will love His word, the truth, as set forth in the bible. Which contains not the wisdom of men but the spiritual wisdom of God.


Ephesians 1:17
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New International Version
I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better.

New Living Translation
asking God, the glorious Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, to give you spiritual wisdom and insight so that you might grow in your knowledge of God.

English Standard Version
that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him,

Berean Standard Bible
that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in your knowledge of Him.

Berean Literal Bible
that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him,

King James Bible
That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

New King James Version
that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him,

New American Standard Bible
that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of Him.

1 Corinthians 2:6-16
However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But as it is written:
"Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him
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But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God. These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them,because they are spiritually discerned. But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightlyjudged by no one. For "who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?" But we have the mind of Christ.

Jeremiah 29:11-1311 For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. 12 Then you will call on me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you. 13 You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.
Which is what the Holy Spirit teaches.....He doesn't speak on His own.
Whatever he hears..,not whatever he reads...he is Alive in our spirit, he’s not Alive in the Bible,
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There is no competition between God's word and His Spirit.
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There is no division or disunity/disagreement between God's words and His spirit/heart. Out of the overflow of the heart/spirit, the mouth speaks.
We Love the Spirit Of God, not the Bible....we are to love the Lord God , with all our heart, mind and soul, we are not to idolise or love the Bible with our heart mind and soul.

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The truth that is expressed in holy writ IS infallible. We just need to be aware of translation errors or shortcomings (which are relatively minor if the translation has been done faithfully). And we need to understand the difference between a faithful translation as opposed to watered down or paraphrased versions.
..the Holy Spirit is the only witness of Gods truth?..he is a Living witness ,he is not a Bible...he witnesses Gods truth to our spirit, without him, you/ me are nothing and just leading ourselves through scripture.

Not the Bible, your spirit must be Born Again.the Spirit testifies with our spirit? does that mean by reading the word or by a Living spirit birth @Lizbeth ?
There are those who have either never entered into a personal relationship with the Lord, or who did but have not developed it or grown in it.
Those who are Born Again will 100% grow in spirit , maturity , wisdom,etc.because they were chosen and predestined to be God’s children, before the foundation of the world.

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And they tend to put written scripture above and ahead of a living relationship......which is not wise, since we can't understand and rightly divide the word without that relationship and reliance on the Spirit. Which grows and deepens as our knowledge/understanding also grows, hand in hand.
Agreed here.

We grow in the spirit we don’t grow in our head knowledge.

Spirit knowledge from God is relayed to our minds via the Holy Spirit, not by reading in our own understanding....you need the Spirit bringing scripture to our understanding.

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Matthew 23​

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Jesus Criticizes the Religious Leaders​

23 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 “The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses.[a] 3 So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but don’t follow their example. For they don’t practice what they teach. 4 They crush people with unbearable religious demands and never lift a finger to ease the burden.
5 “Everything they do is for show. On their arms they wear extra wide prayer boxes with Scripture verses inside, and they wear robes with extra long tassels.[b] 6 And they love to sit at the head table at banquets and in the seats of honor in the synagogues. 7 They love to receive respectful greetings as they walk in the marketplaces, and to be called ‘Rabbi.’[c]
8 “Don’t let anyone call you ‘Rabbi,’ for you have only one teacher, and all of you are equal as brothers and sisters.[d] 9 And don’t address anyone here on earth as ‘Father,’ for only God in heaven is your Father. 10 And don’t let anyone call you ‘Teacher,’ for you have only one teacher, the Messiah. 11 The greatest among you must be a servant. 12 But those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.
13 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in people’s faces. You won’t go in yourselves, and you don’t let others enter either.[e]
15 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell[f] you yourselves are!
16 “Blind guides! What sorrow awaits you! For you say that it means nothing to swear ‘by God’s Temple,’ but that it is binding to swear ‘by the gold in the Temple.’ 17 Blind fools! Which is more important—the gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred? 18 And you say that to swear ‘by the altar’ is not binding, but to swear ‘by the gifts on the altar’ is binding. 19 How blind! For which is more important—the gift on the altar or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20 When you swear ‘by the altar,’ you are swearing by it and by everything on it. 21 And when you swear ‘by the Temple,’ you are swearing by it and by God, who lives in it. 22 And when you swear ‘by heaven,’ you are swearing by the throne of God and by God, who sits on the throne.
23 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens,[g] but you ignore the more important aspects of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things. 24 Blind guides! You strain your water so you won’t accidentally swallow a gnat, but you swallow a camel![h]
25 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are so careful to clean the outside of the cup and the dish, but inside you are filthy—full of greed and self-indulgence! 26 You blind Pharisee! First wash the inside of the cup and the dish,[i] and then the outside will become clean, too.
27 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs—beautiful on the outside but filled on the inside with dead people’s bones and all sorts of impurity. 28 Outwardly you look like righteous people, but inwardly your hearts are filled with hypocrisy and lawlessness.
29 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you build tombs for the prophets your ancestors killed, and you decorate the monuments of the godly people your ancestors destroyed. 30 Then you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would never have joined them in killing the prophets.’
31 “But in saying that, you testify against yourselves that you are indeed the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Go ahead and finish what your ancestors started. 33 Snakes! Sons of vipers! How will you escape the judgment of hell?
34 “Therefore, I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers of religious law. But you will kill some by crucifixion, and you will flog others with whips in your synagogues, chasing them from city to city. 35 As a result, you will be held responsible for the murder of all godly people of all time—from the murder of righteous Abel to the murder of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you killed in the Temple between the sanctuary and the altar. 36 I tell you the truth, this judgment will fall on this very generation.
Sure there are those who are Phariseeical and self-righteous........that is in their own hearts and not the fault of scripture.
 
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Many Disciples Turn Back
(Matthew 8:18–22; Luke 9:57–62; Luke 14:25–33)

59Jesus said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum. 60On hearing it, many of His disciples said, “This is a difficult teaching. Who can accept it?”

61Aware that His disciples were grumbling about this teaching, Jesus asked them, “Does this offend you? 62Then what will happen if you see the Son of Man ascend to where He was before?

63The Spirit gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life. 64However, there are some of you who do not believe.”(For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray Him.)

65Then Jesus said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to Me unless the Father has granted it to him.”


66From that time on many of His disciples turned back and no longer walked with Him.
 

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And yet through the (ahem) fallible Scriptures you believe you are born again.

Secondly, in about every post you quote large portions of (ahem) fallible Scripture to make your point.
I was not Born Again by reading sripture.

I have discernment , the gift on discernment to search what is truth in Gods word.

I didn’t say all of scripture is fallible.

I was Born Again by divine revelation , the word confirms this.

Faith in God is Alive and Active, it’s not a Bible.

I said man is fallible, therefore the Spirit guides us through the word, bringing the word to us, in Spirit understanding and in Spirit truth,

Some of it imo is man talking and not the Spirit talking through them,my belief.

God is a Spirit and the children of God know when he speaks to their heart direct, then I check what I hear with scripture.

The Spirit has been non stop today speaking to my heart, all that I posted came by ear!...then I checked out what I heard with my spirit ears and posted.

God speaks via his Spirit to our spirit...my spirit, then what I hear I post.

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Then perhaps you will be so kind to show us some of the examples what is not true in the Bible.
The Bible is fallible.because it was written by men who are fallible..

The Spirit is not, ask God to show you, as apparently you believe the Bible ,everything in it was spoken under the influence of the Holy Spirit..I don’t believe that and posted reasons why.

I am led by the Spirit ..he speaks to my heart direct which I’ve explained, if you don’t have eyes and ears, then you won’t understand..talk to God about your misunderstanding of my posts.

Sorry, I’m here to post Gods word...not to explain the Bible to you..only God via His Spirit can do that.

The Spirit through me is the poster not me, my belief..when he prompts me to post it can’t be stopped..remember the more we submit the more he can take over and I don’t mean with an iron fist, it just comes naturally because we love God.

He speaks his word to my heart, I go straight to the word he speaks to my heart and post it..I have a Living spirit relationship with God, via his Spirit..my belief .God Bless.
 
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do explain .
I just did..you cannot prove that every word in the Bible was inspired by God, men wrote it down ,men are fallible.

As I explained, whatever my spirit ears hear, I go straight to see if it’s in the written word, if it is it’s posted in obedience.

I am Spirit led, not Bible led..just as the Bible confirms.

Romans 8:14​

King James Version​

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

We are led by the Living Spirit to understand his word in spirit....hence scripture he speaks to me in Spirit...I have spirit ears, the Holy Spirit develops them in me.
 
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I just did..you cannot prove that every word in the Bible was inspired by God, men wrote it down ,men are fallible.

As I explained, whatever my spirit ears hear, I go straight to see if it’s in the written word, if it is it’s posted in obedience.

I am Spirit led, not Bible led..just as the Bible confirms.
Nor can i PROVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST , THOUGH HE IS the CHRIST .
in other words , men see as men see and do as men do . ONLY GOD can open the eyes of the blind .
I can tell you all day that the words in that bible are inspired by GOD
but will you beleive it . AND IF NOT can you SHOW ME where ITS ERROR .
Pilate once asked , what is TRUTH .
a lamb knows . It knows rita . FOR GOD reveals to it ONLY TRUTH
and what HE INSPIRED in the scripture IS TRUTH . Lest we think
peter was wrong when HE said and wrote as HE said and wrote . Do not let men fool you .
Them words BE TRUTH . For GOD cannot lie and what HE INSPIRES is TRUTH .
 
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I just did..you cannot prove that every word in the Bible was inspired by God, men wrote it down ,men are fallible.

As I explained, whatever my spirit ears hear, I go straight to see if it’s in the written word, if it is it’s posted in obedience.

I am Spirit led, not Bible led..just as the Bible confirms.

Romans 8:14​

King James Version​

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

We are led by the Living Spirit to understand his word in spirit....hence scripture he speaks to me in Spirit...I have spirit ears, the Holy Spirit develops them in me.
i seem to notice that people sure can back up CERTAIN words of TRUTH in SCRIPTURE
though they claim its fallible . BUT sure seem to over look other areas in same scripture .
IN other words many love the idea that the scrips are fallible , So as they can PICK and CHOOSE
what parts to BELIEVE and what parts to OMIT . ME , i say EMBRACE that lovely GOD INSPIRED SCRIPTURE