Work out your own Salvation?

[Marvelloustime]

They will claim we are not reading it in context . But it is THEY who are not doing so but rather reading it through OSAS .
Allow me to explain . NOTICE it says THEY were CUT OFF , cut out of their own tree because of UNBELIEF
SO that means they are NOT in CHRIST , NOT IN THE TREE .
YET paul uses the same words to the church , LEST YE BE CUT OFF . but somehow they try and say IT DONT mean what IT SAYS .
This is what i mean by many read the scrips through the lens of a mans doctrine , NOT for oneself .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

the fact about who is born again verses who was not born again cannot negate the fact
that paul warned BELIEVERS about this . We all know if they come out they were never of us .
But there is good reason why JESUS and later the apostels gave these kinds of reminders and warnings TO US .
its part of the work of the SPIRIT that helps to remind and keep the church safe .

@amigo de christo

 

[RedFan]

To know that God is a Living Spirit...only His Living Witness the Living Holy Spirit, can testify that truth to our heart /spirit....it’s not complicated to understand.

What does it mean to "testify that truth to our heart/spirit?" Clearly you are using "testify" in a unique way here -- VERY different from testifying as a witness in court or on the street, where the testimony is heard audibly and internalized by our MIND, rather than our heart/spirit (interesting couplet, by the way).

Do you mean "somehow silently convey that truth to our heart/spirit"?

Do you mean "give a conviction of certainty to our heart/spirit"?

Kindly define "testify" for this purpose. I'm assuming the Spirit doesn't speak to you audibly. So tell us what you mean please.

 

[Ritajanice]

What does it mean to "testify that truth to our heart/spirit?" Clearly you are using "testify" in a unique way here -- VERY different from testifying as a witness in court or on the street, where the testimony is heard audibly and internalized by our MIND, rather than our heart/spirit (interesting couplet, by the way).

Do you mean "somehow silently convey that truth to our heart/spirit"?

Do you mean "give a conviction of certainty to our heart/spirit"?

Kindly define "testify" for this purpose. I'm assuming the Spirit doesn't speak to you audibly. So tell us what you mean please.

I have explained to you , I cannot..,the testifying with our spirit comes by divine heart revelation...the Holy Spirit indwells my spirit, I have been birthed into Christ...my spirit belongs to God , i am under his authority and in his will...

ESV "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. NIV "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

You tell me how you became Born Of The Spirit.?

Because your understanding of being Born Again is very different to mine.

Were you reading your bible when you became Born Again?..he obviously didn’t testify anything to your spirit.

So how did he reveal himself to you?

Romans 8​

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King James Version​

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[RedFan]

I have explained to you , I cannot..,the testifying with our spirit comes by divine heart revelation...the Holy Spirit indwells my spirit, I have been birthed into Christ...my spirit belongs to God , i am under his authority and in his will...

Like you, I have been birthed into Christ. Like yours, my spirit belongs to God. Like you, I am under His authority. I do His will (as best I can -- albeit with my share of slip-ups). But unlike you. there is no "divine heart revelation" going on with me. Frankly, I don't even know what that means.

You tell me how you became Born Of The Spirit.?

By being baptized and accepting that Christ died for my sin, committing to Him as my Lord. That was an act of mind, not of "heart/spirit."

 

[amigo de christo]

Those who don’t abide in the vine, were never Born Again in the first place ,they have tried to infiltrate the vine, only God knows who are his, and those who aren’t his are cut off and thrown into the fire, the fakers trying to graft “ themselves” into the true Living vine.​

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John 15​

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15 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.
18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.
22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin.
23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.
25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.
26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

mind telling this to satans interfaith to the false love do men of satan who
have about lulled most of christendom right to the lie .
OH I KNOW many within christendom are not born again and I KNOW everyone in any other religoin IS NOT BORN AGAIN .
Funny JESUS told the apostels they would bear witness ,
Todays sold out men of satan , YES I said it SATAN , they bear witness of A LIE , NOT TRUTH .
but i been a watching people on this site . MANY are headed right into it and SOME are already FIRM BELIEVERS OF THE LIE
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[amigo de christo]

I have explained to you , I cannot..,the testifying with our spirit comes by divine heart revelation...the Holy Spirit indwells my spirit, I have been birthed into Christ...my spirit belongs to God , i am under his authority and in his will...

ESV "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. NIV "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

You tell me how you became Born Of The Spirit.?

Because your understanding of being Born Again is very different to mine.

Were you reading your bible when you became Born Again?..he obviously didn’t testify anything to your spirit.

So how did he reveal himself to you?

Romans 8​

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King James Version​

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Any day another one will bite the dust as he or she swallows down the univeralism lie .
ALL not in the lambs book of life WILL BELIEVE THE LIE and there is not a darn thing i can do to stop it .
MANY have made their bed and they will pay the price of the adultery they have committed .
I tried sister . by grace i tried . But though i did warn and though i did plead
it looks like another one bites the dust of the sepernt . Its just not looking good rita .
I warned us NOT to be unequally yoked . yet not i but the by the grace of GOD i warned us . Those who made
their bed with men like epi and others will pay the price on the day of the LORD . WE SHOULD HAVE done all
to help men like that , to turn them from the delusion , NOT TO SELL OUT and MEET with them .
But i am not GOD and i cannot foreknow and see all . I did warn sister . Always remember that
though on the day of the LORD it will have been too late . CHRISTENDOM WILL EMBRACE the UNIVERSALISM
all paths LIE . But not all will . HEY RITA , I HAD SOONER BE DEAD , and i mean DEAD and ROTTED
in the streets than to ever once heed men like epi and others on this site . WE IN TROUBLE SISTER
and the WE just means not me but because i do love the peoples . THIS GEN IS IN DIRE Deady danger
and does swallow the pill .

 

[Lizbeth]

The only thing that can separate you from God, for eternity..... is to be in your sin, and die never born again.

So, the born again, is "made free from Sin".. they are "not under the law, but under Grace" and they have Eternal Life.

That means that Salvation, is not you trying to be good..... to keep from going to Hell.

Can a person who is a Christian be "cut off", and become a "castaway"..

Of course...
.and that means their Theology, has destroyed their faith, .. to the point that they will never again, understand God's Grace.
That would be a "OSAS" fanatic, who wants to argue this.... for example.
So, all they left is not related to understanding anything regarding who they have become "in Christ".

Jesus said, "apart from me, you can do nothing"... He didnt say... apart from me, you have lost your salvation.

Jesus said that if you believe in Him, you shall "never go to Hell, (never perish)'"""... so, if you want to try to find verses that you believe teach that Jesus is a liar, then thats your decision.

Paul teaches that "the Gift(s) of God are without repentance"...

1.) "without repentance" means that God will never allow them to leave you......

And Salvation is "THE GIFT of Salvation".

A lot of people who are trying to keep themselves saved because they have no Real Faith in Christ anymore ... which is to not believe HE is their Salvation, begining to end, ............can spend a lot of time looking for "how to lose my salvation , verses.".. and the devil will show you a lot of them...that to this type of person, will continue to keep their Faith broken.
THats a fact.

I just take it that we need to receive God's word as a seed that when it takes root in us bears good fruit. Take the warnings for example....receive and accept them and take them to heart, and they will bear the desired fruit in our lives. That is not us trying to "earn" salvation, that is the spirit and the word growing good fruit. The fear of the Lord is a spiritual fear, not of the flesh per se. But if we ignore, reject or try to rationalize those warnings away, they are not going to bear fruit.

Who does the Lord esteem? He who trembles at His word. Paul said knowing therefore the terror of the Lord....etc. Yep, think he was pretty terrified meeting the Lord that way on the road to Damascus after persecuting the church so badly, falling off his high horse and then being blinded for a time! Just imagine! And also therefore terrified for others which motivated him to preach the gospel. Our God is a Great King with the power of life and death in His hands. Do we even know who we are dealing with?? He is more than worthy of our fear.

 

[Marvelloustime]

That’s what you believe , Brother, I believe differently.

The Holy Spirit power in me, @amigo de christo keeps me in the true vine...

Keeping yourself in the vine by reading scripture is work based.

We don’t know how to keep ourselves in the true vine and if you say refer to scripture on how to keep ourselves in the true vine...I don’t agree, only the Living Holy Spirit can keep his children abiding in the true vine, that is my opinion/ belief.

That is why we must be Born Of The Spirit..

@Ritajanice and @amigo de christo
Hi Rita,

It’s not brother’s opinion, nor anyone’s opinion. It is what it is says the Bible. Biblical truth sister.

 

[Ritajanice]

Here are 25 Biblical reasons you can’t lose your salvation:​

The Bible Says you can KNOW that you have eternal life.​

1 John 5:13 “These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.”

God tells the truth and keeps His promises.​

Titus 1:2 “In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;”

Belief births you into God’s family.​

John 1:12 “But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:”

Jesus promised you would not perish.​

John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

You are not condemned (reserved for destruction).​

John 3:18 “He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”

You currently have everlasting life.​

John 3:36 “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”

You passed from death unto life.​

John 5:24 “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”

Jesus will not cast you out for any reason.​

John 6:37 “All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.”

Jesus knows His sheep.​

John 10:27 “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:”

Jesus gave you eternal life.​

John 10:28 “And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.”

You are in Jesus’ hand and no one can get you out.​

John 10:28b “neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.”

The Father placed His hand over the Son’s and no one is more powerful than Him.​

John 10:29 “My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.”

The combined strength of God the Father and God the Son is protecting your soul.​

John 10:30 “I and my Father are one.”

Jesus promised that you would never die.​

John 11:25–26 “Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?”

God is your Father.​

Romans 8:15 “For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.”

You are two-fold the Child of God; by birth and by adoption.​

Romans 8:15 “For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.”

The Holy Spirit bears witness with our spirit reminding us that we are saved.​

Romans 8:16 “The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:”

God is the Judge of the soul and He already gave you His verdict.​

Romans 8:31–33 “What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth.”

Jesus Christ is at the right hand of the Father making intercession for us.​

Romans 8:34 “Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.”

Nothing can separate you from the love of Christ.​

Romans 8:35–39 “Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.”

You are a new Creature.​

2 Corinthians 5:17 “Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.”

You are made righteous in Christ.​

2 Corinthians 5:21 “For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.”

You are sealed with the Holy Spirit.​

Ephesians 1:13–14 “In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.”

You are saved by grace through faith not by works.​

Ephesians 2:8–9 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”

You are kept by the power of God.​

1 Peter 1:5 “Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.”

You are a citizen of Heaven.​

Philippians 3:20 “For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:”

You are seated in Heavenly places.​

Ephesians 2:6 “And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:”

 

[amigo de christo]

Here are 25 Biblical reasons you can’t lose your salvation:​

The Bible Says you can KNOW that you have eternal life.​

God tells the truth and keeps His promises.​

Belief births you into God’s family.​

Jesus promised you would not perish.​

You are not condemned (reserved for destruction).​

You currently have everlasting life.​

You passed from death unto life.​

Jesus will not cast you out for any reason.​

Jesus knows His sheep.​

Jesus gave you eternal life.​

You are in Jesus’ hand and no one can get you out.​

The Father placed His hand over the Son’s and no one is more powerful than Him.​

The combined strength of God the Father and God the Son is protecting your soul.​

Jesus promised that you would never die.​

God is your Father.​

You are two-fold the Child of God; by birth and by adoption.​

The Holy Spirit bears witness with our spirit reminding us that we are saved.​

God is the Judge of the soul and He already gave you His verdict.​

Jesus Christ is at the right hand of the Father making intercession for us.​

Nothing can separate you from the love of Christ.​

You are a new Creature.​

You are made righteous in Christ.​

You are sealed with the Holy Spirit.​

You are saved by grace through faith not by works.​

You are kept by the power of God.​

You are a citizen of Heaven.​

You are seated in Heavenly places.​

The promises are beautiful .
the warnings are beautiful . EVERY WORD OF GOD is of pure beauty and is meant for the GOOD of all who do heed .
Now some may wonder why on earth i would say the warnings are beautiful .
BELIEVE ME they are . WHY HE WARNS is for our own good . my advice is that we HEED
BOTH the goodness and severity of GOD . Lest we find ourselves following a false goodness that has led us to THE LIE .
THE LIE . what is the LIE . A lie cannot save one person rita . AND I KNOW YOU KNOW THAT .
SO why is it so many love the lie of universalism , why is it so many seem to love and embrace a hope
a lie and rather try and say OH everyone gonna end up okay . JESUS NEVER SAID THAT . GOD NEVER SAID THAT .
KNOWN TO GOD is EVERTHING . known to us is what GOD reveals to our tiny minds which surely cannot
contain ALL THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD . satan had a lot of wisdom and look what he did with it .
WHAT IS WRITTEN is for us . AND while i KNOW GOD can and still does reveal things to us
WHAT I KNOW and that by grace is , WHATEVER BE REVEALED TO MAN that contradicts that WHICH JESUS SAID , OH BABY ITS A LIE .
JESUS never preached universalism . HE PREACHED TRUTH . WHEN HE and later the apostels went about preaching
THEY never preached universalism , THEY PREACHED THE ABSOLUTE DIRE TOTAL NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST
SO WHY COMES so many now try and give out ideas that somehow give mankind hope WITHOUT having HAD TO BELIEVE JESUS
is CHRIST . ALLOW me to answer that , ITS CAUSE THEY BOUGHT A LIE and under that lie they are now in darkness
and preach a false hope to the world and to christendom , WHILE USING JESUS NAME , WOE TO THEM for doing so ,
that allows folks to remain IN UNBELIEF . WE GOTS problems . might wanna let EPI know about this cause
he and others attack folks like me who remind all IF YA DONT BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST , ITS ALL IN VAIN .

 

[Behold]

That is not us trying to "earn" salvation, that is the spirit and the word growing good fruit.

Faith broken Christians are not trying to earn Salvation.

They are trying to keep it.....they are trying not to LOSE IT.

So, i have a verse for them......another one.

Philippians 1;6

"God, who began salvation in all the born again... will HIMSELF...... be FAITHFUL to Complete it"..

 

[amigo de christo]

Faith broken Christians are not trying to earn Salvation.

They are trying to keep it.....they are trying not to LOSE IT.

So, i have a verse for them......another one.

Philippians 1;6

"God, who began salvation in all the born again... will HIMSELF...... be FAITHFUL to Complete it"..

GOD is FAITHFUL to finish it . But if we dont heed him WE NO FINISH .
you are not proving anything .
I can keep my own son safe as long as he heeds me . BUT IF HE DONT and wanders off
well that is on him . HEED THE SPIRIT , NOT the FLESH .
GOD is the only one who can keep us from falling and HE IS FAITHFUL TO DO SO
its why HE warns , ITS WHY HE SENDS MEN TO WARN when anyone is or might head in the wrong direction .
THERE is a reason why JESUS warned as HE DID to his own as well as HIS OWN warned and would continue to remind
the church . ITS ALL FOR OUR GOOD . You claim you trust IN CHRIST
you claim you trust in paul , BUT YOU ALL SURE SEEM to twist THEIR SAYINGS TOFIT
something THEY NEVER TAUGHT but rather MEN DID . wake up friend . wake up .

 

[amigo de christo]

Faith broken Christians are not trying to earn Salvation.

They are trying to keep it.....they are trying not to LOSE IT.

So, i have a verse for them......another one.

Philippians 1;6

"God, who began salvation in all the born again... will HIMSELF...... be FAITHFUL to Complete it"..

True christains are doing all to remind the church OF ALL THINGS JESUS said and taught
all things the apostels said and taught , not acroynms , not prosperity gosple stuff , not interfaith
not twisted doctrines that fit mens teachings . MANY say THEY TRUST GOD
many say a lot of things . HOW DO WE KNOW we TRUST GOD , HIS CHRIST
TRY TRUSTING THEIR WORDS and not twisting them to fit an idea that sounds good to man .
SPEAK THE TRUTH .
and you wonder why so many now head into the lie .
ERROR begets ONLY MORE ERROR
and leaven left uncorrected only leavens and leavens and leavens till the whole lump be leavened .
So far i can see you have not BOUGHT THE LIE . THAT IS GOOD
but you better watch out many have and man do it start small .

 

[amigo de christo]

Faith broken Christians are not trying to earn Salvation.

They are trying to keep it.....they are trying not to LOSE IT.

So, i have a verse for them......another one.

Philippians 1;6

"God, who began salvation in all the born again... will HIMSELF...... be FAITHFUL to Complete it"..

I was happy to see you exposing universalism and also correcting that man who supports the gay agenda and transgenderism .

 

[Behold]

GOD is FAITHFUL to finish it . But if we dont heed him WE NO FINISH .

Reader,

The Christian is already "in Christ", "one with God', and "seated in Heavenly Places".

The Born again, already have "eternal Life".
THe Born again, are already "Translated from darkness, .. to LIGHT"....
The Born again, is already "The Temple of the Holy Spirit"
THe Born again, is already... In The Kingdom of God.
The Born again, is already "made free from sin".
The Born again is already "The righteousness of GOD.... in Christ".
The Born again is already "sealed with the Holy Spirit of Promise'.
THe Born again is already "risen in newness of Life, with Christ".
The Born again is already become "a new Creation".
The Born again is "bought with a Price".. ."Blood bought"... and that Price is the precious Blood of Jesus.
The Born again is "COMPLETE in HIM".. (Him = Christ).

"but behold, i still think i have to keep myself saved by trying to be good"..

Yes, that is broken faith.......see the List above and get that MIND, instead.

 

[amigo de christo]

Reader,

The Christian is already "in Christ", "one with God', and "seated in Heavenly Places".

The Born again, already have "eternal Life".
THe Born again, are already "Translated from darkness, .. to LIGHT"....
The Born again, is already "The Temple of the Holy Spirit"
THe Born again, is already... In The Kingdom of God.
The Born again, is already "made free from sin".
The Born again is already "The righteousness of GOD.... in Christ".
The Born again is already "sealed with the Holy Spirit of Promise'.
THe Born again is already "risen in newness of Life, with Christ".
The Born again is already become "a new Creation".
The Born again is "bought with a Price".. ."Blood bought"... and that Price is the precious Blood of Jesus.
The Born again is "COMPLETE in HIM".. (Him = Christ).

"but behold, i still think i have to keep myself saved by trying to be good"..

Yes, that is broken faith.......see the List above and get that MIND, instead.

And who is saying that my friend . I ALREADY KNOW , by grace , that THE ONLY GOODNESS i have in me
and that both the desire and ablitity to do GOOD cometh OF HE WHO HAS SAVED ME .
YOU THINK i am doing this when i am NOT .
I am simply reminding us of ALL THINGS HE TAUGHT , not just parts , ALL OF IT . as well as what the apostels taught .

 

[Behold]

And who is saying that my friend . I ALREADY KNOW , by grace , that THE ONLY GOODNESS i have in me
and that both the desire and ablitity to do GOOD cometh OF HE WHO HAS SAVED ME .
YOU THINK i am doing this when i am NOT .
I am simply reminding us of ALL THINGS HE TAUGHT , not just parts , ALL OF IT . as well as what the apostels taught .

Reader.....

Jesus is Salvation.

Therefore....If He is in us, we are SAVED FOREVER...........as HE can't be lost, once He's in us.


Listen reader...

Stop trying to stay saved, and instead begin to rejoice that your Salvation is as eternal as God who gave it to you as "the Gift of Salvation".

Notice this verse..

"" As Jesus IS....so are the born again .. IN THIS WORLD">..
"" As Jesus IS....so are the born again .. IN THIS WORLD">..
"" As Jesus IS....so are the born again .. IN THIS WORLD">..
"" As Jesus IS....so are the born again .. IN THIS WORLD">..

So, is Jesus going to Hell?
And the born again are "AS JESUS IS.. .IN THIS WORLD"....

So, Then Neither are you capable of going to Hell., as wherever Jesus is.....THERE YOU ARE ALSO........forever.


One more....

The born again, is not the body or the mind.. Its your Born Again Spirit, that is the CHRISTIAN, who is Joined to GOD and Christ...

ALL 3 are ONE... for eternity.

So, what does that mean, regarding going to Hell?

It means that if a born again Christian goes to Hell, then so does The Holy Spirit, Jesus, and God Himself, as they are all INSIDE the Born again SPIRIT...........as "in Christ" and "One with God".

 

[Ritajanice]

There is nothing like hearing in one’s heart/ spirit, straight from the Lords mouth and here is confirmation of what he spoke/ witnessed to my heart/ spirit this morning.
And no his voice that he spoke was not audible...just a quiet voice whispering this scripture, I had to be still, then we hear, imo..,

When we’re in self we can’t hear the Lords voice, would you agree with this one paragraph @amigo de christo ....and you are right as is @Marvelloustime we need to listen and heed his warnings,Amen?

2 Peter 1:3-4

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King James Version​

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3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

 

[Ritajanice]

@Ritajanice and @amigo de christo
Hi Rita,

It’s not brother’s opinion, nor anyone’s opinion. It is what it is says the Bible. Biblical truth sister.

Amen!