Work out your own Salvation?

[Behold]

I stand by all of my posts.

A Born Again is not in their own will, they are under the authority and will of the Father.

"born again" people have murdered other believers...

"born again" people have blown up abortion clinics, that killed others.

"born again" people have created Heresies, led of the devil to do it, that have ruined millions of Christians.

So, none of that is "under the authority".........of God.. as that would be God causing what God does not allow.

 

[Ritajanice]

"born again" people have murdered other believers...

"born again" people have blown up abortion clinics, that killed others.

"born again" people have created Heresies, led of the devil to do it, that have ruined millions of Christians.

So, none of that is "under the authority".........of God.. as that would be God causing what God does not allow.

So called Born Again that you speak of above no one can prove that they were Born Again.

Like I said, a Born Again is in the will of the Father and would NEVER ever go against his will.

You don’t understand imo reading your posts, what being in Gods will means.

I have made my point..so will not be arguing this out with you.have a nice day and God Bless.

 

[Behold]

So called Born Again that you speak of above no one can prove that they were Born Again.

What you said is lacking any type of spiritual maturity......., and you say these things, because you realize what you are trying to prove is not biblical, not "Christian" and is just opinion.. so, when you are exposed, then suddenly.... "only @Ritajanice is the real christian led of the spirit, and everyone else is not, according to you.......= (behold) (marks) (eternally grateful).. (GodsGrace) are all just ither not saved or probably not saved, because they, we, dont agree with your theological darkness and absurd concepts.


Listen carefully, Ms Full of Herself...

I personally know one of the bombers...
= Messianic Jew.. filled with the Spirit... Born again, radically saved... True Believer, and still is.....
He was in a USA Assembly of God church, a Member in the late 70's and as a young believer, fell under the influence of Crackpot, tongue talking nutbars, who primed him, deceived Him... and filled his YOUNG head with the idea that "those abortionists need to die".

So, as a 18 yr old boy, he was motivated by these Pentecostal FOOLS, to blow up an Abortion Clinic that killed some people, inside.
Some young mothers, and others...

That was not of God.

So, You have no idea what you are talking about, as usual.
You just like the feeling of arguing, as that is how carnality feels to a Hyper Calvinist, like you and BrightFrame.

 

[Ritajanice]

Excellent short commentary.

What does it mean to be under God's authority?
Authority must be understood by every Born Again since it is the entire basis of our relationship with Christ. “ Authority” means “the right to command and enforce obedience.” When we accept Jesus Christ as our “Lord,” it means that He becomes our “boss” or “authority” over our whole life. (

RJ says, took me a long time for the Lord to bring me to understand the above..Praise God.

It’s wonderful being and knowing that you are under God’s authority and knowing in your heart/ spirit, that your in his will.

We, everyone of us are all parts of his body, how wonderful is that to know.

 

[RedFan]

The real source of the truth comes from the Living Holy Spirit, different authors , don’t birth our spirit, neither does the Bible.

The Living Spirit births our spirit and the Bible confirms this..I stand on what the Spirit testifies to my spirit,

Spirit gives birth to spirit, you can never be un-birthed from the Spirit Of God...once Born Again by divine heart revelation, always Born Again in one’s spirit, that is where the Living seed is planted, in the heart/ spirit of his child, permanently.= Spirit gives birth to spirit= a Living spirit rebirth, no author or any bible can perform that supernatural act, it comes by divine heart revelation.

No study of any bible is required for the Spirit to perform this mighty act.

Those who have been grafted into the true vine by the Spirit of God, will NEVER be thrown into the fire.

Well, your view entails the position that the Bible -- while it may confirm what you call the "testimony" of the Spirit -- is unnecessary to establish the permanence of a born-again Christian's salvation. The Spirit does that on His own. No Scripture needed.

And my view is that Scripture is equivocal on the issue. That means, to me at least, that any interpretation of the Spirit's "testimony" (what exactly is that, anyway? some kind of abiding confidence that your personal feelings are being confirmed by God?) may need reconsideration.

 

[Ritajanice]

Well, your view entails the position that the Bible -- while it may confirm what you call the "testimony" of the Spirit -- is unnecessary to establish the permanence of a born-again Christian's salvation. The Spirit does that on His own. No Scripture needed.

Correct just as his word confirms, we are Born Of The Living Spirit.

Spirit give birth to spirit?

Can only come by divine heart revelation...not by feelings, that’s the natural way of man’s thinking @RedFan ?

Not the Bible .it has no power to birth our spirit..

And my view is that Scripture is equivocal on the issue. That means, to me at least, that any interpretation of the Spirit's "testimony" (what exactly is that, anyway? some kind of abiding confidence that your personal feelings are being confirmed by God?) may need reconsideration.

Nothing to do with feelings.

Born of the Spirit.

The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children.

Of course if you are the natural man , this would sound foolish to you ,as those words/ scripture are spiritually discerned.

 

[RedFan]

Correct just as his word confirms, we are Born Of The Living Spirit.

Not the Bible .

Nothing to do with feelings.

Born of the Spirit.

The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children.

Of course if you are the natural man , this would sound foolish to you ,as those words/ scripture are spiritually discerned.

Tell me what "the Spirit testifies" looks like? I know what testimony is when I hear it audibly (as, for example, in courtrooms from the witness stand). Does the Spirit speak to you audibly?

 

[Ritajanice]

Tell me what "the Spirit testifies" looks like? I know what testimony is when I hear it audibly (as, for example, in courtrooms from the witness stand). Does the Spirit speak to you audibly?

Sorry, only the Holy Spirit can testify that to your spirit.

By divine heart revelation..the Bible is Gods confirmation on how the Spirit ,who is Alive and Active..brings our spirit Alive in Christ.

Do you understand that Gods Spirit is Alive and Active?

Can you see him?

Is he like the wind?

Tell me @RedFan ..how do you know that God is a Living Spirit?

Who can only testify of that truth?

Or do you only understand that God is a Living Spirit by reading the word?

 

[RedFan]

Tell me @RedFan ..how do you know that God is a Living Spirit?

That's an easy one. If God were corporeal He couldn't be independent of creation and hence the Creator of the Universe. Hence, He must be Spirit. Simple.

 

[Ritajanice]

That's an easy one. If God were corporeal He couldn't be independent of creation and hence the Creator of the Universe. Hence, He must be Spirit. Simple.

To know that God is a Living Spirit...only His Living Witness the Living Holy Spirit, can testify that truth to our heart /spirit....it’s not complicated to understand.

No one can say Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.

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◄ 1 Corinthians 12:3 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit. New Living Translation So I want you to know that no one speaking by the Spirit of God will curse Jesus, and no one can say Jesus is Lord, except by the Holy Spirit. English Standard Version Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit. Berean Standard Bible Therefore I inform you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

God is Spirit, therefore we must be Born Again to understand this truth.

Spirit gives birth to spirit = knowing by the testifying of the Holy Spirit to our spirit, that God is Spirit.

We communicate with God Via His Living Spirit communicating / witnessing with our spirit...The truth of God...the Bible confirms this.

It comes by supernatural divine heart revelation.mind Blowing...heart revelation is.

Then we start to grow and mature in the Spirit once we are Born Again...we are partakers Of the divine nature.

A believer is made a partaker of the divine nature with the new birth experience and made a participant of it when he realizes that God is in his heart by the presence of the Holy Spirit and he will yield himself to God's control (

◄ 2 Peter 1 ►

Berean Standard Bible Par ▾ A Greeting from Peter (1 Peter 1:1–2) 1Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours: 2Grace and peace be multiplied to you through the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord. Partakers of the Divine Nature 3His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through the knowledge of Him who called us by His owna glory and excellence. 4Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires. 5For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith virtue; and to virtue, knowledge; 6and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; 7and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love. 8For if you possess these qualities and continue to grow in them, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9But whoever lacks these traits is nearsighted to the point of blindness, having forgotten that he has been cleansed from his past sins. 10Therefore, brothers, strive to make your calling and election sure. For if you practice these things you will never stumble, 11and you will receive a lavish reception into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 12Therefore I will always remind you of these things, even though you know them and are established in the truth you now have. 13I think it is right to refresh your memory as long as I live in the tent of my body,b 14because I know that this tent will soon be laid aside, as our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me. 15And I will make every effort to ensure that after my departure, you will be able to recall these things at all times.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Now think deeply on this and pray feverently about this .

I will think on it and pray about it.

Satans version . GOD is love , GOD does not desire the death of any , So no matter what one believes
in the end THEY WONT PERISH , they wont be damned .

To say God is love has become taboo; automatically you are accused of not giving the whole truth which is God is also hate. I first learned God is hate growing up southern Baptist, where I heard mostly of hell, fire, and brimstone. What I hadn’t heard until I got in the Word of God myself, is God desires a better outcome, that God wants us to be profitable, not in vain and empty.

Consider where they said to leave those men alone…for if be a work of men it will come to nothing. I take that to men if it be a work of men it will be unprofitable. Empty. Void.

If it is a Work of God, then nothing come overthrow it. To me that means no matter how men judge …God has the final say in what the work is of, even when men claim it is of God but it’s a work of men. Even if I claim a thing as being of God… to me that says if it’s not of God, it will fail and come to nothing. In this God will have His Victory. In this I’m not denying all works of the flesh are menstrual rags. I do see there is a harsh truth in handing them over to the reprobate mind. But where men do it for evil, I still believe God always does it that they may be saved. To me it’s about the end. Where men (religion, many lords and gods) desires destruction unto death, God desires obedience unto Life. (One God, One Lord) . That is only my opinion but I’ve focused most of my life on God hates and is death …what has been most impossible for me to receive is God is love, where God finds no pleasure in my sowing to the flesh and reaping death…but instead He wants to remove that sowing and reaping carnal things the end thereof being death, so that …better things are sown and reaped, the end thereof Life. To me that is regarding Children born…it does make me think of Rachel “Give me children or I die” …I’m not speaking of literal children but to bear Fruit unto God.

THE TRUE VERSION and HOW IT SHOULD BE USED IS THIS right here my friend , GOD IS LOVE
GOD does not desire the death of any , ITS WHY HE SENT THE SON SO THAT ALL WHO DO BELEIVE BELEIVE BELEIVE
in HIM WOULD NOT PERISH but have Everlasting life

Paul speaking to Corinthians is a good example of Faith in Christ (Imo)…Paul doesn’t yet see Christ in them (their actions instead calling Paul or (we) reprobate, as those who fail, unprofitable) yet Paul says “I trust(God who opens the eyes of the blind) you will see we are not as those who fail” …to me that is Paul believing and having Faith in that which is unseen(Christ who promised and will do it), by Faith, hope, and Patience … that they(the Corinthians accusing the brothers as reprobate) will see Christ. They ask for proof that Christ speaks in Paul. Only way for that to happen —the vail still remaining over their hearts(when they accuse it is Paul and those with him as being blind)—is for God to raise the dead and open the eyes of the blind (the Corinthians calling their brothers reprobate.)
Point is…what Paul shows of Christ in him, the Fruit of the Spirit of God towards another…is more than sticking a sign in a yard that says I believe in Jesus Christ. Thank you Jesus.

ONE VERSION POINTS TO DEATH

One points to death. Adam. Men point to death. An unprofitable ending. An empty and void ending.

One points to Life. Christ. A profitable ending. A ending not in vain or empty.

Reminds of men do it for evil(destruction). God does it for good(Life).

I don’t see God points to death…for God points to the Son who is raised up from the dead. I do see there is a difference in the adulterous Woman’s way is death. The Free Woman’s way is Life, seed, bringing forth Fruit unto God.

Question is…is it the same adulterous woman that is delivered from death by the body of Christ, to no longer serve death…as in Romans 7 …by the body of Christ you have been made free -from serving sin unto death…to bear fruit unto God, you are Free to bear Obedience unto Righteousness (Life)

but the lambs DONT HEED HIM

I no longer hear or heed the message preaching always a twist that God comes to steal, kill and destroy…but He comes that there be Life.

 

[IronMaiden]

Sorry, only the Holy Spirit can testify that to your spirit.

Hi, sis. Sincerely, what is it that the Holy Spirit testifies to your spirit?

 

[Ritajanice]

Hi, sis. Sincerely, what is it that the Holy Spirit testifies to your spirit?

I have posted scripture on this many times, scroll up, or check my activity, other than that.

The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children..look it up.

Also Spirit gives birth to spirit...I’m not saying that you are the natural man.

But as God says, the natural man has no understanding of spiritual matters or spiritual understanding , that’s why we must be Born Again.

To be honest I think God speaks to us all very differently as we can see on the forums.

I just post what I believe he is witnessing to my heart.

You do the same, you speak from the heart do you not?

Then post some heartfelt scripture, that speaks to our heart.

You bear Jesus fruit don’t you, I can see it in your posts @LatterRain ..do you agree or do you think it’s nonsense?

Here it is again @LatterRain .

Romans 8​

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King James Version​

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[IronMaiden]

John 16:13-15 (NKJV) 13 “However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own [authority,] but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. 14 “He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare [it] to you. 15 “All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare [it] to you.

I have posted scripture on this many times, scroll up, or check my activity, other than that.

The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children..look it up.

Also Spirit gives birth to spirit...I’m not saying that you are the natural man.

But as God says, the natural man has no understanding of spiritual matters or spiritual understanding , that’s why we must be Born Again.

To be honest I think God speaks to us all very differently as we can see on the forums.

I just post what I believe he is witnessing to my heart.

You do the same, you speak from the heart do you not?

Then post some heartfelt scripture, that speaks to our heart.

You bear Jesus fruit don’t you, I can see it in your posts @LatterRain ..do you agree or do you think it’s nonsense?

I love the Holy Spirit of God.

John 16:13-15 (NKJV) 13 “However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own [authority,] but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. 14 “He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare [it] to you. 15 “All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare [it] to you.

 

[Marvelloustime]

many died during the dark ages for resisting the harlot . a number so high it can only be estimated .
Now watch and behold , BEHOLD , how fast this interfaith whichcame of the same harlot
is gonna TURN the entire world and its united false religoins To come against the saints who did not conform
to its ecumincal cry . This number will be high and it wont take hundreds of years either .
VERY SHORT . My advice to us all remains . BIBLE UP everyone we are being decieved by many .

@amigo de christo

 

[Ritajanice]

John 16:13-15 (NKJV) 13 “However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own [authority,] but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. 14 “He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare [it] to you. 15 “All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare [it] to you.

I love the Holy Spirit of God.

He knows you do, it shows on your lovely posts.

John 16:13-15 (NKJV) 13 “However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own [authority,] but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. 14 “He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare [it] to you. 15 “All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare [it] to you.View attachment 53045

Beautiful...Amen!

 

[Marvelloustime]

it is the popes that in large and SPECIALLY this last one who now reigns that IS MERGING ALL RELIGOINS
all denominations too RIGHT UNDER HER . LOOK at it friend .
Yes . as far as this is about to end , WELL YOU RIGHT ABOUT THAT .
WHAT does this interfaith preach unto these religoins . A LIE
and by this lie has promsied them the means to attain what , WORLD PEACE N SAFETY .
SO when you wrote its about to end , FRIEND YOU are far more right than you realize
and now a word . FOR WHEN THEY SHALL SAY PEACE N SAFETY , THEN COMETH SUDDEN DESRUCTION upon them all
and they will not escape . THE KING IS COMING and HE WILL CRUSH beneath HIS FEET all WHO DENEID HIM
and believed the lie .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

as far as seven years goes , DONT Expect that kind of time at all .
Rather DO THIS and BELEIVE THIS . WATCH and BE READY for the LORD cometh in an hour ye think not .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

Even now my friend there are many anti christs at work whereby we KNOW it is the last time .
As you wrote on another response . They come in and will dwell amongst us
but beware for they do preach another lovespell which they call the gospel .
They can use the name of JESUS and while they claim to BELIEVE HE IS THE CHRIST
they will make it seem as though its not necessary for souls to have to BELIEVE HE IS THE CHRIST .
That is being co worker to that which is of anti christ . Always remember
that satan as do his minstirs can USE the name of JESUS but will present another jesus another gospel .
So long as we are in this world times will only get much more deceptive and persecutions will only increase against
those true lambs who did not conform to this image of what the united religions of interfaith and inclusivity claim is GOD .
IT IS NOT GOD . It is he who has always desired to be AS GOD .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

When i could no longer forbear i sent ........................
why did paul send this man to this certain church.
The church was under persecutions
FOR this reason , when i could no longer forbear
i sent to KNOW your faith lest by some means the tempter have tempted you and our labor be in vain .

@amigo de christo