Wives submit to your husbands

[Stephen100]

What is extraordinary is your wholesale judgment of sisters in the church and lack of faith.

How many fellowships have you been a part of?

If you are going by the worldly church, don't forget 50% or more of men are hooked on pornography.

Are you in a worldly church?

I no longer want to talk to you, because you are hell bent on attacking men and refuse to pay attention to what I say. I will no longer reply to you.

All the best.

And as I said, if a man truly loves his wife, he would treat her as his partner and not like a slave or a servant. If he treats her like a servant, then he treats his body like a servant. The woman has power over her husband's body and the husband has power over the wife's body because both are to give their bodies to each other.

1 Corinthians 7:4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.

The first thing that St. Paul said is that we should all submit to one another.

Ephesians 5:21-29 Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ. Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing [fn] her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— for we are members of his body.

Both husbands and wives are members of the Church, and what does the Holy Bible say about members of the Church? They are one with Christ (See Galatians 3:28). Husbands and wives are also one. Both are equal as human beings, and both were created differently to serve and complement each other.....not to make slaves or servants of each other (which is what you are claiming for the woman's role). Christ has authority, but He did not make the Apostles his slaves or servants. They were His brothers. God has authority, but He did not make Christians his slaves or His servants. He made us His children.....sons and daughters of God. We are not like the Muslims who call Allah their master and Lord and never called Him "Father."

Let me repeat myself. Both male and female are one in Christ, but the husband is still the head. He has the authority. Jesus and God the Father are one, yet the Father is in a higher position of authority than the Son. I'm just going to keep repeating this until you pay attention, because it seems like you are ignoring what God has made plain.

I would be careful in passing judgement. People have said similar things about me, and how I don't know what relationships can do, but they had absolutely no idea of what it was that I had actually been through. Be careful how you judge, because that's the measure that will be applied to you.

Earlier on, you stated:

I don't believe Stephen is putting the blame on women. He's focusing on an area that has deteriorated to a frightening stage in our society. It's an area that very few people like to look at. They prefer focusing on the men, the fathers, the leaders of the house, and point out their flaws. Just watch your tv, movies, etc. Fathers and husbands cope alot more than women. That's because it's part of Satan's goal in undermining and destroying the family.

About the singleness issue, I don't want to stay single. But I know that if I did, I could do so much more for God. If Stephen wishes to stay single, let him be. He isn't breaking rules that God created. If anything, he's doing something greater than many others do - consecrating himself wholly to God. (at least, I hope so ;) )





I don't think that's wholly the case.

After being in the work industry for two years (ok, stop laughing all you old seadogs. ), most of which I've spent in some form of management, I've seen both male and female pass the buck. NO ONE wants to take the responsibility for their actions. They want to palm it off on someone else. (e.g. in my work case, this is the chain of pass-the-buck: worker blames duty manager blames store manager blames area manager blames everyone else And it just keeps going round.)

Thanks for your support sister. It's a shame people can't see things the way you do. Whenever I bring up this subject, I am accused of being a bitter woman hater. We live in a society that will criticize anybody who dares to question a woman's responsibilities. People just want to focus on the man. In order for a happy marriage to work, both husband and wife need to obey their God given roles. But what's happened in our culture, even in many churches, is that the responsibilities of the wife has been pushed aside, and instead people have focused on the husband. That's why when a marriage goes wrong it's usually the husband that people will blame.

We need more women like you in church. Women like you understand me. But other women just falsely accuse me of hating and blaming women. This is why marriage doesn't interest me. Why would I want a wife who expects me to die for her but doesn't want to submit to my authority? Even though God has made it as plain as day that husbands are the head of the family unit, Christian women still refuse to accept it. If they refuse to listen to God, there's no way they're going to listen to me.

God bless

 

[Ruth]

I no longer want to talk to you, because you are hell bent on attacking men and refuse to pay attention to what I say. I will no longer reply to you.

All the best.

Using your expression 'You are hell bent' on attacking women.

the women who have replied to you have sympathized and agreed to a point, yes, there is feminism in the church, but you make it sound so rampant you must stay single.

are you just so perfect, there is no way you could ever fail at leading in a marriage, ...you seem more concerned about watching your "game" than figuring out why a women would be asking a husband to stop watching a "game"

The husband is to be a role model for the family, the image of Christ, serving those in his family with unconditional love, directing his family in the ways of The Lord.

You are more concerned about your needs, (watching your game) if you were a selfless person, you would want to know why it upsets your wife to the point she does not want you to watch the game,....but your attitude is of pride...."I am leader....she is women...submit women, fetch me a beer.....

You really need to be Mentored by some healthy older men who have been in marriage for many years, because you Do not understanding your role as a servant to God, and a wife.

 

[Stephen100]

Using your expression 'You are hell bent' on attacking women.

the women who have replied to you have sympathized and agreed to a point, yes, there is feminism in the church, but you make it sound so rampant you must stay single.

are you just so perfect, there is no way you could ever fail at leading in a marriage, ...you seem more concerned about watching your "game" than figuring out why a women would be asking a husband to stop watching a "game"

The husband is to be a role model for the family, the image of Christ, serving those in his family with unconditional love, directing his family in the ways of The Lord.

You are more concerned about your needs, (watching your game) if you were a selfless person, you would want to know why it upsets your wife to the point she does not want you to watch the game,....but your attitude is of pride...."I am leader....she is women...submit women, fetch me a beer.....

You really need to be Mentored by some healthy older men who have been in marriage for many years, because you Do not understanding your role as a servant to God, and a wife.

All you have done is judge and criticize me. ZebraHug has already pointed that out to you. You have totally missed my point and falsely accused me of things that I'm not guilty of. I guess I just have to remember that Jesus had to go through the same thing.

 

[Ruth]

All you have done is judge and criticize me. ZebraHug has already pointed that out to you. You have totally missed my point and falsely accused me of things that I'm not guilty of. I guess I just have to remember that Jesus had to go through the same thing.

Not judging, not critizing

Like I said, I HAVE agreed with some of what you have posted, but you are so closed minded that if a women tries to give you insight, we are judging or critizing.

I have been married for 28 yrs, my husband and I have made many mistakes, but we trust God to see us through and have forgiving hearts to one another, we submit to each other.

Jesus is the head, then my husband, then I submit firstly to God, then to my husband.
I believe in such spiritual order in marriage, I even wear a head covering in the church to give witness to this before men and angels as Apostle Paul teaches.

Your mind is stubborn, and I will not be sharing with you any further.

 

[HammerStone]

Let's see, you've attacked marriage - something of which you have no experience in - and turned it into a caricature of reality. You seem to deny any explanation or thoughts from folks who are married, as well. There seems to be no sense of sacrifice in your understanding, because sacrifice generally means doing something without expecting something in return.

You've also somehow placed watching a game at the top of the category of spirituality.

If anyone disagrees with you, holding to a relative conservative-moderated position, you claim that they're attacking all men. (My friend, you're not taking arrows from the far left or hard core feminists here by any stretch.) You've even drawn comparisons between yourself and Jesus' persecution because people disagree with you in a forum topic.

I'm not sure exactly what you expect, other than folks to assent to your selfish position of me first? Which, for the record, is exactly why the majority marriages fail, even though the medium through which they fail might differ.

 

[Stephen100]

Not judging, not critizing

Like I said, I HAVE agreed with some of what you have posted, but you are so closed minded that if a women tries to give you insight, we are judging or critizing.

I have been married for 28 yrs, my husband and I have made many mistakes, but we trust God to see us through and have forgiving hearts to one another, we submit to each other.

Jesus is the head, then my husband, then I submit firstly to God, then to my husband.
I believe in such spiritual order in marriage, I even wear a head covering in the church to give witness to this before men and angels as Apostle Paul teaches.

Your mind is stubborn, and I will not be sharing with you any further.

Not judging, not critizing

Like I said, I HAVE agreed with some of what you have posted, but you are so closed minded that if a women tries to give you insight, we are judging or critizing.

I have been married for 28 yrs, my husband and I have made many mistakes, but we trust God to see us through and have forgiving hearts to one another, we submit to each other.

Jesus is the head, then my husband, then I submit firstly to God, then to my husband.
I believe in such spiritual order in marriage, I even wear a head covering in the church to give witness to this before men and angels as Apostle Paul teaches.

Your mind is stubborn, and I will not be sharing with you any further.

All you have done is judge and criticize me, but you can't see it because you haven't yet taken the log out of your own eye. It is clear to anybody who reads your comments that you have judged me. You have also falsely accused me of things I'm not guilty of.

Let's see, you've attacked marriage - something of which you have no experience in - and turned it into a caricature of reality. You seem to deny any explanation or thoughts from folks who are married, as well. There seems to be no sense of sacrifice in your understanding, because sacrifice generally means doing something without expecting something in return.

You've also somehow placed watching a game at the top of the category of spirituality.

If anyone disagrees with you, holding to a relative conservative-moderated position, you claim that they're attacking all men. (My friend, you're not taking arrows from the far left or hard core feminists here by any stretch.) You've even drawn comparisons between yourself and Jesus' persecution because people disagree with you in a forum topic.

I'm not sure exactly what you expect, other than folks to assent to your selfish position of me first? Which, for the record, is exactly why the majority marriages fail, even though the medium through which they fail might differ.

I see you are another one who likes to bear false witness against me. You have just told a pack of lies and have resorted to judging me. Like I said from the start, this is a subject that ruffles people's feathers. Judging by your comments, you haven't payed the slightest bit of attention to the point I have been trying to make all along.

 

[meshak]

What do you mean? Could you please give an example?

When the churchgoing husband married to secular woman, later on she become Jesus' follower and found out how her husband has been practicing double standards, the newly converted wife has right to not to be submissive to her husband.

I wonder how many are in this kind of situation.

 

[Stephen100]

When the churchgoing husband married to secular woman, later on she become Jesus' follower and found out how her husband has been practicing double standards, the newly converted wife has right to not to be submissive to her husband.

I wonder how many are in this kind of situation.

As long as the husband isn't asking his wife to commit sin, she should obey him.

 

[Axehead]

Yo, Stephen, slow that horse down, bro!

Look, there is neither male nor female in Christ Jesus and so, all of us have to bear our cross and die to the flesh. That is for EVERY Christian, not just men. So, yes, women have to die to the flesh, too.

It is one thing to read scripture and hypothesize what it means in real life and another thing to experience it, Stephen.

Why don't you put down your "molotov cocktails" and join some other discussions because it really doesn't make sense to talk about something that you know very little about especially if you don't have a teachable spirit on the subject. Why don't you share with us some things that you do know about? And, I'm sorry you are not part of a fellowship with healthy, Christ-centered marriages. However, you could marry ZebraHug because you seem to be hitting it off with "her". You did call her a "sister", didn't you? I forgot whether Zebra is a bro or sis. Go ahead, join us all in this adventure of marriage. It will speed up your sanctification.

Axehead

 

[Stephen100]

Yo, Stephen, slow that horse down, bro!

Look, there is neither male nor female in Christ Jesus and so, all of us have to bear our cross and die to the flesh. That is for EVERY Christian, not just men. So, yes, women have to die to the flesh, too.

It is one thing to read scripture and hypothesize what it means in real life and another thing to experience it, Stephen.

Why don't you put down your "molotov cocktails" and join some other discussions because it really doesn't make sense to talk about something that you know very little about especially if you don't have a teachable spirit on the subject. Why don't you share with us some things that you do know about? And, I'm sorry you are not part of a fellowship with healthy, Christ-centered marriages. However, you could marry ZebraHug because you seem to be hitting it off with "her". You did call her a "sister", didn't you? I forgot whether Zebra is a bro or sis. Go ahead, join us all in this adventure of marriage. It will speed up your sanctification.

Axehead

ZebraHug is actually a male. At first I thought he was a woman. And to be honest, your opinion doesn't matter to me because all you have done is judge me.

 

[meshak]

As long as the husband isn't asking his wife to commit sin, she should obey him.

If professed husband is not willing to be obedient to Jesus' standards, a wife should not submit to him.

 

[Stephen100]

If professed husband is not willing to be obedient to Jesus' standards, a wife should not submit to him.

Yes she should. Read 1 Peter 3:1:

"Wives, likewise, be submissive to your own husbands, that even if some do not obey the word, they, without a word, may be won by the conduct of their wives."

 

[meshak]

Yes she should. Read 1 Peter 3:1:

"Wives, likewise, be submissive to your own husbands, that even if some do not obey the word, they, without a word, may be won by the conduct of their wives."

Parents have responsibility to raise their children as they should go. If parents are not in agreement in rearing children they have a problem.

Children should not be raised by two standards.

 

[HammerStone]

Yes she should. Read 1 Peter 3:1:

"Wives, likewise, be submissive to your own husbands, that even if some do not obey the word, they, without a word, may be won by the conduct of their wives."

Is this an absolute statement, then?

 

[Selene]

Let me repeat myself. Both male and female are one in Christ, but the husband is still the head. He has the authority. Jesus and God the Father are one, yet the Father is in a higher position of authority than the Son. I'm just going to keep repeating this until you pay attention, because it seems like you are ignoring what God has made plain.

Let me repeat myself....being in a higher authority does not mean to treat a wife like a slave or servant.....something less of a wife.

God the Father and God the Son are one. The Father never treated His eternally Begotten Son like a servant or slave. Jesus is the Son and one with the Father. Father and Son are one God. Husbands and wives are also one.

 

[SilenceInMotion]

Women do not do anything but complain, and act persecuted, and blame men even though they typically live in a higher grace within society. But when a man is frustrated, or there is something unfair or not right, all they get is a bunch of nonsense that some are putting on this thread.

This is abysmal and unbiblical. Men need to have their roles back, and be the leaders of their household and the society around them. Women need to learn their place in sight of the Lord. Some abuse the scripture that states 'there is no man or women in Christ'. That does not mean that the sacred roles and natural order of society do not still apply. It is not a feminist statement. A Christian society has men at the head, not women.

 

[JB_Reformed Baptist]

Maybe so we don't devour one another a thread or section devoted to ONLY males and females ought to be set up.So as to thrash out such HOT & sensitive issues/topics as this.

"Whatever happens we are warned that if we are NOT careful we will devour one another" and this is the flesh & enemies game.

So if the moderators with admin could get their heads together a section for male and female might be the answer for such topics.

Anyway that's my two cents worth. SHALOM :)

 

[Ruth]

Women do not do anything but complain, and act persecuted, and blame men even though they typically live in a higher grace within society. But when a man is frustrated, or there is something unfair or not right, all they get is a bunch of nonsense that some are putting on this thread.

This is abysmal and unbiblical. Men need to have their roles back, and be the leaders of their household and the society around them. Women need to learn their place in sight of the Lord. Some abuse the scripture that states 'there is no man or women in Christ'. That does not mean that the sacred roles and natural order of society do not still apply. It is not a feminist statement. A Christian society has men at the head, not women.

I Am surprised that a Christian would speak with such slander and prejudice against women, your hostility towards women is sin

Women do NOTHING but complain? Act persecuted? Blame men? Are you not persecuting women right now with your your irrational accusations? This is all we do, REALLY?!...complain, act like victims, and blame men, you have a real sick view of women, because of men like you is why women became feminist.

 

[Stephen100]

Is this an absolute statement, then?

According to God's word, yes.

Let me repeat myself....being in a higher authority does not mean to treat a wife like a slave or servant.....something less of a wife.

God the Father and God the Son are one. The Father never treated His eternally Begotten Son like a servant or slave. Jesus is the Son and one with the Father. Father and Son are one God. Husbands and wives are also one.

I repeat again, I have never said that a husband can treat his wife like a slave. I wish you would actually read what I say. My point is that even though Jesus and his Father are one, the Father is still in a higher position of authority, just as the husband is in a higher position of authority than his wife. I never said that this means the husband can treat her like a slave.

Women do not do anything but complain, and act persecuted, and blame men even though they typically live in a higher grace within society. But when a man is frustrated, or there is something unfair or not right, all they get is a bunch of nonsense that some are putting on this thread.

This is abysmal and unbiblical. Men need to have their roles back, and be the leaders of their household and the society around them. Women need to learn their place in sight of the Lord. Some abuse the scripture that states 'there is no man or women in Christ'. That does not mean that the sacred roles and natural order of society do not still apply. It is not a feminist statement. A Christian society has men at the head, not women.

Yes, you are right. There are, however, some good Christian women out there, but it is an absolute fact that women play the blame game. Yesterday a Christian woman on this thread was blaming men for abortions. She was arguing that most women who have abortions were forced into it by their husbands or boyfriends. I've also heard highly respected Christian women argue that when women commit adultery it's because their husbands don't spend enough time with them. I've also heard highly respected pastors argue that women who become porn stars were raped by their father.

In other words, if a woman does something evil or sinful, we can't really hold her accountable because a man must have pushed her into it. This is the kind of sexism we have to deal with. Time and time again whenever women are guilty of something, they try to blame a man for their own sinful actions.

 

[Axehead]

ZebraHug is actually a male. At first I thought he was a woman. And to be honest, your opinion doesn't matter to me because all you have done is judge me.

Judge not that ye be not judged. As I recall, you started this thread indicting every Christian sister, across the board. Now, you are complaining.

Yes, you are right. There are, however, some good Christian women out there, but it is an absolute fact that women play the blame game.

Stephen, I did not realize it fully until now but you really are blind to the blame game that you are playing.