Excuse me?
I think you might have misunderstood…. I said “astrology”, not “astronomy”.
Big difference.
Take care.
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I think you might have misunderstood…. I said “astrology”, not “astronomy”.
Big difference.
Take care.
There's no mention in the Gospels of Christ that the Magi were astrologists.
Take care as well.
"Enough" as in "Enough of speaking uncharitably." You can and should defend truths and combat falsehoods without being uncharitable towards the soul you're engaging with. Do everything with charity (love), otherwise it's of no value.
Pulling JW's from the fire is Christian LOVE! Do you love JW's? Pull them from the fire!
Jude 1:23
23 but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire,
Speaking uncharitably isn't charity (love). Unlike you, Jesus knew the eternal fate of each person, and yet He still didn't tell those Who He knew would spend eternity in Hell that they were going to Hell. He spoke to and treated them with charity (love) by continuing to preach the ways in which to reach Heaven, and living by example, so that they could never say they weren't given every opportunity to convert. Do you dare to be more uncharitable than Jesus towards souls you don't know the eternal fate of?
I know that those who deny that Jesus is God and Hell is FOREVER are heading for Hell. If you're not pulling JW's from the fire you'll regret Judgment Day.
The Gospel accounts tell you… they were looking at what? They were looking at signs in the stars.
That’s straight-up astrology.
“Magi” is related to Persian sorcery & magic anyways.
Activities that Jehovah God condemns.
You do that with compelling counter arguments. And being kind and charitable.
Otherwise, it’s just abusive behavior.
Only God knows each person's eternal destiny, but each of us doesn't, and He doesn't reveal it to us, but rather gives each of us a free will and the same spiritual helps so as to merit eternal destiny of Life in Heaven with God. Due to this, as long as one breathes, we have the gift of hope of reaching eternal life and if we do it's because of our own free will in cooperation with His will. There's no merit in coercion. Don't be more severe than God by condemning souls, whom you don't even know the eternal fate of, to Hell in this life when not even He does that.
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Nowhere in the Gospels of Christ do the Evangelists mention the race(s) and homeland of the Magi, nor that they were astrologists, nor that they were looking at signs in the stars, but rather they wrote, "For we saw His star in the east" (Matt. 2:2).
You’re kind, I appreciate that.
However, do you believe Hell is eternal?
Revelation 20:13,14 says, among other things, that “Hell gave up those dead in it.” And that “death and Hell were thrown into the Lake of Fire.”
What do you think this means?
You do it with Scripture, as I do all the time! Your opinions prove nothing.
Hebrews 4:12
12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Stumpmaster
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I hope I continue of my own free will to allow God to continue working His kindness through me. God created your soul just as he created mine, and that's why you're my brother.
My response to this will take longer than the time I have to give at the moment. So, I will submit my reply as soon as I can. Thank you in advance for your patience.
You know that me and @TheHC were referring to how one speaks and acts towards another regarding charity, not quoting Scripture. Rather than deflect you should reflect on what Jesus says about charity towards one neighbor.
If you're done with our discussion because you on some level understand the logic in what I said below, then that's good. If not, and there's something in what I said that you want to address, then I hope you do.
"At King Herod's palace in Jerusalem, at the time of the Magi's arrival, he learned from them that the King of the Jews had been born, as well as learned from the chief priests and teachers of the Law that he had been born in Bethlehem. There would've been no further need for the star past this point, because King Herod had learned the location of where the King of the Jews had been born, so he could have Him killed, which you claim was the purpose of satan having sent the star.
Therefore, since the purpose of the star had been accomplished at that point, after the Magi departed Jerusalem, despite King Herod's order to return and tell him the King of the Jew's exact location in Bethlehem, satan could've hidden the star from the Magi to prevent them from offering their gifts and paying homage to/worshiping the very person he hated and wanted to be killed, whether as an earthly king or as God, and King Herod still would've gone on to fulfil the prophecy of Jeremiah (31:15), because prophecies came to pass.
That's another reason why satan couldn't have been the one who sent the star. God is the One Who sent the angels and the star, as well as warned the Magi not to return to King Herod. God's foreknowledge and allowance of King Herod's evil act makes Him no more "responsible" than of any other evil act that He has foreseen and allowed. He gave man a free will, to do good or evil, because there is no merit in coercion."
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How about some Bible? The Christian Bible always refutes JW / WatchTower doctrines!
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