Will Trump seek asylum in Israel and Build the 3rd Temple?

[Timtofly]

That's exactly what I have said, several times.

But you were the one who said, "...there are only 2 Days of the Lord. The middle 6 days were about dead corruptible human flesh...", which is really a nonsensical statement... :) ...and seemed to indicate you "thinking" that there were eight days in a week. Maybe it could have been less clumsily stated, and thus clearer, as to what you actually meant. There never were ~ and are not, and never will be ~ two "Days of the Lord." If what you meant to say was that there were two consecutive Sabbath Days (seventh weekdays) immediately prior to Christ's resurrection, or between Christ's crucifixion and resurrection, then... good. :) Even so, I'm not really sure why that ever seemed to you a really important point to make... and don't really care, to be honest with you.

Grace and peace to you.

Because Amil accept for the most part 6,000 years of sin.

But they, for some reason, cannot comprehend the first 1,000 years of creation and the last 1,000 years of creation were set a part for the Lord as Holy and without sin and death.

As you say they deny the 2 Days of the Lord. Your point, not mine. I blame it on the deception of Satan that every one talks about that was already at work in Paul's day.

And yes, that would make 8 days or 8,000 years.

 

[Timtofly]

Paul was alive at the second coming.

Paul died in 65AD.

How many Second Comings do you think there are?

You think people lied claiming Paul physically died?

 

[The Light]

But not to project or guess.

So if we do watch, do we just bury the scriptural possibilities. If there was a 7 year covenant confirmed with many, should we be aware of the possibilities or disregard and keep silent.

Nor afford ourselves agents of false prophecy, that his return shall be in or on, any given time.

And what purpose would a watchman have? Does he watch and say nothing?

I don't see anyone saying thus says the Lord so agents of false prophecy...............is false.

 

[ewq1938]

This is our conversion experience. God's Israel will be complete; all of His Gentile elect will have been brought in, and the partial hardening now on Israel removed, and in this way, all of Israel saved.

Israel will be complete and saved before that blindness is removed. Taking a rejecter of the Messiah and blinding them, then removing the blindness still results in the same original rejection of the Messiah.

 

[Timtofly]

I think you just proved my point. We can no longer die, which also means we can no longer be resurrected. So how do you reconcile that with a supposed future resurrection?

There is no future resurrection for the church. Just a rapture for the church.

I never said the Second Coming happened already. I have constantly pointed out that as soon as a redeemed soul leaves this temporal corruptible body from Adam, the soul enters God's permanent incorruptible physical body in Paradise in the heavens. That is 2 Corinthians 5:1.

"For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens."

You and I and all other redeemed in the Second Birth alive on the earth, are the only one's still in dead flesh, called being mortal. At the rapture we shed Adam's flesh and are given a permanent incorruptible physical body and then glorified in the clouds with those from Paradise. That is the 5th Seal. Putting on that robe of white is putting on the spirit.

That is when the church is fully restored as sons of God, soul, body, and spirit. The souls puts on the body, and the body puts on the spirit. That is a son of God as originally created on the 6th day.

 

[Timtofly]

What nonsense are you speaking? Why do you put words in my mouth? If you don't understand what I'm saying, ask for clarification, don't make ridiculous assertions.

Then answer the questions. Why are you claiming the gospel stopped since you declared that the end was, evidently between 60 and 71 AD.

 

[Timtofly]

I'm not saying the meeting is symbolic. I'm saying the clouds are symbolic. The clouds symbolize God's glory, and that's where we meet. Those who are resurrected first, are resurrected into God's glory. Those who are resurrected last then also enter into God's glory. So in that sense we meet them. Why are you so resistant to a symbolic interpretation?

Because it seems rather foolish to insert a symbolism between two literal points. We meet in the air. That is where the clouds are. It is a literal meeting and literally being restored soul with body and spirit.

 

[Timtofly]

Paul talked about the 2024 U.S. Presidential election?

What does a presidential election have to do with the Second Coming? The point was being bold or foolish. I thought it was being bold and hopeful.

It is called the hope of the believer.

You may expect to physically die. Some of us think otherwise.

 

[Timtofly]

I have said previously, loyal subjects going out to meet royalty, the King, in the return to his kingdom after being away for some reason, usually in battle)

Rubbish!

 

[BlessedPeace]

So if we do watch, do we just bury the scriptural possibilities. If there was a 7 year covenant confirmed with many, should we be aware of the possibilities or disregard and keep silent.


And what purpose would a watchman have? Does he watch and say nothing?

I don't see anyone saying thus says the Lord so agents of false prophecy...............is false.

Is it?

OK.

 

[PinSeeker]

Because Amil accept for the most part 6,000 years of sin.

Well, it's not acceptable, for sure. God doesn't accept it, so why should we? And, from a little different angle, there is nothing new under the sun. I'm not sure which speaks directly to your ridiculous statement here, but there it is...

But they, for some reason, cannot comprehend the first 1,000 years of creation and the last 1,000 years of creation were set a part for the Lord as Holy and without sin and death.

Well, anybody can comprehend anything, but might dismiss it as stupid, which is the case here...

As you say they deny the 2 Days of the Lord. Your point, not mine.

LOL! I don't even know what you mean by two days of the Lord, and don't care to, because that's ridiculous, too.

I blame it on the deception of Satan that every one talks about that was already at work in Paul's day.

Again, nothing new under the sun... But you'll have to pardon "Amills" for following you in not enduring sound teaching and, having itching ears, and accumulating for yourself teachers to suit your own passions, and thus turning away from listening to the truth and wandering off into myths (2 Timothy 2:3-4). :)

And yes, that would make 8 days or 8,000 years.

Wow.

Israel will be complete and saved before that blindness is removed.

Well, the Gentile part... And then the partial hardening now on Israel will be removed. In this way, all of God's Israel will be saved. I mean anybody can twist Paul's words however they want, but it still is what it is. Surely, as Isaiah says and Peter later quotes:

"All flesh is grass, and all its beauty is like the flower of the field. The grass withers, the flower fades when the breath of the LORD blows on it; surely the people are grass. The grass withers, the flower fades, but the word of our God will stand forever." (Isaiah 40:6-8; 1 Peter 1:24)

Taking a rejecter of the Messiah and blinding them, then removing the blindness still results in the same original rejection of the Messiah.

Not if the one taking the rejecter is the Giver of true life in Christ...

What does a presidential election have to do with the Second Coming?

You'll have to ask other posters here that question. I say, "Nothing." It was really about Donald Trump, and to that I still say, "Nothing." Although... God is in control of everything that happens in this world in one way or another; nothing in this world happens without His either directly causing it to happen or His allowing it to happen. And, as Paul says in Romans 8, does work all things together for the good of those who love Him and are called according to His purpose... And I hope you don't understand that to mean that I believe Donald Trump loves God and is called according to His purpose... :)

The point was being bold or foolish. I thought it was being bold and hopeful. It is called the hope of the believer.

That Donald Trump will win the Presidency back in 2024? :) I'm... kidding... Timtofly. :) But there are some out there ~ and some in this forum posting ~ who apparently think so...

You may expect to physically die. Some of us think otherwise.

That seems to be a rejection of Genesis 3:19 and Hebrews 9:27. Now, if you mean that we will all physically die, but then, at the end of this age, be resurrected physically (either to judgment or to eternal life), then I agree.

Rubbish!

Oh, God's Word is rubbish to you. Well that explains most of what you've been saying/propagating...

Grace and peace to you both.

 

[Timtofly]

Well, it's not acceptable, for sure. God doesn't accept it, so why should we? And, from a little different angle, there is nothing new under the sun. I'm not sure which speaks directly to your ridiculous statement here, but there it is...

Unless you accept it has been millions of years per human understanding?

The point made was the 6,000 year length.

But I cannot read your mind.

 

[Timtofly]

Oh, God's Word is rubbish to you. Well that explains most of what you've been saying/propagating...

You were not quoting God's Word, and you know it.

You said it was your own opinion.

Here it is again:

will literally go out to meet the Lord (in the manner of, as I have said previously, loyal subjects going out to meet royalty, the King, in the return to his kingdom after being away for some reason, usually in battle) in the air.

Until you quote this interpretation from the Bible it is your own private opinion. You are not the only poster who puts things down in their own private opinion style. But you certainly do, exactly what you accuse others of, and your opinion is rubbish. That is why I used the word.

Explain to me what battle in heaven did Jesus leave to fight over 1993 years ago? I thought the battle was on earth between the church and the world?

Joshua 10:25

1 Timothy 6:12

2 Timothy 4:7

We don't under our own initiative rise into the air to meet Jesus. We are raptured or as Jesus and Paul puts it; the soul is grabbed by an angel and fitted with a new permanent body on the way up. It happens so fast we won't even notice what happens. Had not it been pointed out in detail in Scripture.

I am not saying you are right or wrong. I am saying it is rubbish. Perhaps you will think that is what happened, and it won't matter like rubbish, except to you.

Obviously you don't accept the point I accept what Paul and Jesus said. You called it rubbish.

 

[PinSeeker]

Unless you accept it has been millions of years per human understanding? The point made was the 6,000 year length.

Well, if you're now referring to theistic evolution... yeah, not a subscriber. I have a really hard time following your streams of "thought," but admittedly, I realized the folly in that early on... :) ...and, you know, no longer do (try to follow your streams of "thought"... closely, anyway. :)

But I cannot read your mind.

No, and thank the Lord for that. Neither I yours, and thank the Lord for that, too. :)

You were not quoting God's Word, and you know it.

You mean, where I was actually quoting God's Word? Well now that's calling white black (and/or vice-versa)... But I've come to expect that of you...

You said it was your own opinion.

What I said was, Timtofly ~ boy do I wish you would fly (away) ~ was... and actually, this was a reply to The Light back in post #53 (and I think I've said something very similar to you) regarding Paul's "man of lawlessness" in 2 Thessalonians and regarding Revelation 20... that I respected his (and your) opinion about Scriptural things and that I was okay ~ perfectly fine ~ with him (and you) calling what I say regarding my understanding of said Scriptures my opinion. But hey, go ahead with your word-twisting and you're spinning of others' comments into something that they are obviously not; I've com to expect that of you, also; it seems to be your very character.

Here it is again:

Until you quote this interpretation from the Bible it is your own private opinion. You are not the only poster who puts things down in their own private opinion style. But you certainly do, exactly what you accuse others of...

Everybody has many opinions regarding many things, right. And regarding Spiritual/Scriptural things, some are backed up by the Holy Spirit/by Scripture, and some are not. If by 'private' you mean I am the only one alive (or even close) past or present who holds to the understandings I hold to, you are very much mistaken. And, Timtofly, reading passages of Scripture and then stating things in one's own words and/or explaining what is being said using different words can be but is not necessarily a "private opinion" or a misstatement regarding said passage(s) of Scripture.

...and your opinion is rubbish.

In... your opinion. Yeah, get that... :) And I already said this same thing to you, and again, I'm... perfectly fine... :) ... with you calling that my opinion... regarding... your... opinion... LOL!

Explain to me what battle in heaven did Jesus leave to fight over 1993 years ago?

I never insinuated such a thing. I really don't know what you're talking about, and... well, don't care. :)

I thought the battle was on earth between the church and the world?

Certainly, there are many spiritual battles ~ and one over-arching spiritual battle ~ going on right now. And for the past... 1993, if you insist on using that number... years. Really, it's been going on since the days of Adam and Eve and the events described by Moses in Genesis 3.

Joshua 10:25

1 Timothy 6:12

2 Timothy 4:7

We don't under our own initiative rise into the air to meet Jesus. We are raptured or as Jesus and Paul puts it; the soul is grabbed by an angel and fitted with a new permanent body on the way up. It happens so fast we won't even notice what happens.

I don't completely disagree with this. Now, these ~ in my opinion ~ aren't major points of contention, but I would offer this:

• I do disagree (although this doesn't seem like a major point to disagree on) that the initiative is not ours; really, to me, it seems a both/and thing, in that, yes, God draws us to Himself, but even now, we believers go to Jesus, because, well, we love Him and want to be with Him, and even to be just like Him, and then we will be like Him, because we will see Him as He is ("...we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is" ~ 1 John 3:2).
• If you want to call us going out/up to Him and meeting Him in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:17) a rapture, I'm okay with that; it's just not a removal from earth for any length of time, as many would have it. As I said before, I would just call it a rapturous event, a seizing (harpazo) in full of what was, is, and forever will be rightfully His (the Kingdom of God, which will finally be, in Person ~ in the words of John in his Revelation ~ the Kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ (Revelation 11:15).
• I disagree that "the soul is grabbed by an angel and fitted with a new permanent body," the reason being ~ and you're certainly welcome to call this my opinion ~ I believe our soul will be reunited with our resurrected body. God does not say, "Behold, I am making all new things," but rather says, "Behold, I am making all things new" (Revelation 21:5).
• And, I think we'll notice and be very aware of all that happens. :)

I am not saying you are right or wrong. I am saying it is rubbish.

Well, if one calls something someone says/writes "rubbish," he/she is necessarily stating that something to be wrong. :) But so be it; I said the same thing to you. :)

Obviously you don't accept the point I accept what Paul and Jesus said. You called it rubbish.

Well, I called your opinion(s) regarding what you think Paul and Jesus to have said rubbish (at least on the points we have discussed), because... it/they are. :) I have to admit that it's kind of fun to watch you keep digging the hole you've gotten yourself into deeper and deeper... :) But we really should stop this. :)

Grace and peace to you.

 

[PinSeeker]

Made by man? Sure.

Nope.

Jesus will build His own throne and Temple.

Jesus Himself is the cornerstone, Whom we are all built on, and together, we are the Temple, in which God dwells by His Spirit (Ephesians 3:19-22).

That Temple cannot even be built...

Sure it can. With God, all things are possible. :)

...until after the Second Coming and Jesus totally changes the geographical structure...

Nothing will be changed, but made new... changed in the sense of being changed back into what it was made to be: perfect, without sin or death, and the Lord God dwelling with His people.

Man's works will be burned up. That is a given per 2 Peter 3.

Ugh. Well, "...the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed... all these things are thus to be dissolved..." (2 Peter 3:10-11), meaning all sin and corruption ~ in word and deed ~ will be exposed for what it is and then done away with. There will be no more suffering, no more sin, in the new heaven and new earth.

You are thinking about the temple between the Cross and the Second Coming.

Well, yes, but after the Second Coming also. When Jesus said, destroy this temple and I will rebuild it in three days," He was speaking of Himself and His crucifixion and resurrection. So too, will be the true Temple when Jesus returns, that all those whose lives are hidden with Christ in God (Colossians 3:3) will finally and in person be God's true and complete Temple, in which He dwells by His Spirit (Ephesians 3:22).

That temple will be removed at the Second Coming.

Nope. See above. But... opinion respected. :)

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Freedm]

Paul died in 65AD.

How many Second Comings do you think there are?

You think people lied claiming Paul physically died?

We don't know exactly when he died, but I believe he was alive when Jesus returned, because he predicted that he would be, but it's also possible that he was only assuming he would be alive.

 

[Freedm]

There is no future resurrection for the church. Just a rapture for the church.

I never said the Second Coming happened already.

The resurrection happens at his coming. So if you believe his coming is in the future, then you must also believe the resurrection is in the future.

1 Corinthians 15
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.

 

[Freedm]

Then answer the questions. Why are you claiming the gospel stopped since you declared that the end was, evidently between 60 and 71 AD.

That was the end of the age of darkness, and the beginning of the age of light.

Revelation 22:5
There will be no more night.

That was a reference to death.

 

[Freedm]

Because it seems rather foolish to insert a symbolism between two literal points. We meet in the air. That is where the clouds are. It is a literal meeting and literally being restored soul with body and spirit.

The whole point of symbolism is to use literal things as symbols, so just because the words are words we use to describe literal things, does not mean the message is literal. I say it's symbolic because clouds are used throughout scripture to symbolize God's glory and power, so there is a precedent, and also because a symbolic interpretation here makes more sense than a literal one.

 

[Freedm]

Then answer the questions. Why are you claiming the gospel stopped since you declared that the end was, evidently between 60 and 71 AD.

I never said the gospel stopped. The good news is still good news, which is that we have eternal life. I'm saying the age of death / darkness ended in 70 AD.