Why We Dont See Casting Out of Devils

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We see what Christ said:
Mark 16:17
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

Matthew 10:8
Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

Matthew 12:28
But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

And it was being done:

Mark 9:38
And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.

So why do we not see it today, is it because of unbelief and lack of prayer and fasting, or are we so deep in sin and in darkness, we are not given this?
 

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We see what Christ said:
Mark 16:17
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

Matthew 10:8
Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

Matthew 12:28
But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

And it was being done:

Mark 9:38
And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.

So why do we not see it today, is it because of unbelief and lack of prayer and fasting, or are we so deep in sin and in darkness, we are not given this?
I am confounded sometimes. A lot of people must be welcoming demons knowingly.
 
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We see what Christ said:
Mark 16:17
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

Matthew 10:8
Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

Matthew 12:28
But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

And it was being done:

Mark 9:38
And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.

So why do we not see it today, is it because of unbelief and lack of prayer and fasting, or are we so deep in sin and in darkness, we are not given this?
Could be. Or it also could be that demon possession is something that requires effort to have happen. Possession does not come by accident or casually. It takes work to become possessed. I was a Satanist so I know!

In areas where their are shamans, ju-ju men witch doctors, oracles etc., you do see exorcisms taking place. But in America, we do not see wide possession, but we do behold wide oppression.
 

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I don't think anyone can calculate Hell's population,nor are we able to state we do not witness casting out of devils.

Pride, is not a good thing. Especially if we presume to know what God is not doing for the world today.

Just my opinion.
 
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Christians don't recognize demon possession like Christians in the past did. It was normal for pastors to visit homes. Some of you might remember those days. I've seen a women possessed by a demon. I've seen many demons in the spirit. Bars are full of demon possessed people, but Christians don't go to bars, to look for demons to cast out, 75 years ago, a family would go to the bar and get a loved one and cast the demon out .
 
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So why do we not see [casting out of devils] today, is it because of unbelief and lack of prayer and fasting, or are we so deep in sin and in darkness, we are not given this?
It is both. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient.

I am confounded sometimes. A lot of people must be welcoming demons knowingly.
...just as they continue to do from antiquity.

Could be. Or it also could be that demon possession is something that requires effort to have happen. Possession does not come by accident or casually. It takes work to become possessed. I was a Satanist so I know!
Possession is far less common than oppression. Everyone reading this is demonically oppressed; it is only a matter of degree. Yes, believers can have resident "demons."

In areas where their are shamans, ju-ju men witch doctors, oracles etc., you do see exorcisms taking place. But in America, we do not see wide possession, but we do behold wide oppression.
"Exorcism" is a Catholic term; whereas deliverance is scriptural.

I don't think anyone can calculate Hell's population,nor are we able to state we do not witness casting out of devils.

Pride, is not a good thing. Especially if we presume to know what God is not doing for the world today.
"Casting out of devils" does take place today as a part of my ministerial calling.

Christians don't recognize demon possession like Christians in the past did. It was normal for pastors to visit homes. Some of you might remember those days.
A sad but nonetheless accurate account.

I've seen a women possessed by a demon. I've seen many demons in the spirit. Bars are full of demon possessed people, but Christians don't go to bars, to look for demons to cast out, 75 years ago, a family would go to the bar and get a loved one and cast the demon out .
Public places where alcohol is served (and other addictive behaviors indulged) never lack for devils.
 
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Possession is far less common than oppression. Everyone reading this is demonically oppressed; it is only a matter of degree. Yes, believers can have resident "demons."
Well if you mean demons within us- the answer is no! we are possessed by the Holy Spirit. Believers can be oppressed but not possessed.
 
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Well if you mean demons within us- the answer is no! we are possessed by the Holy Spirit. Believers can be oppressed but not possessed.
Well, I hate to burst your bubble there, brother, but I have been in the deliverance ministry (casting out demons) for 2 decades, and I can tell you now that I have cast out demons from believers and nonbelievers as well. Pastors, ministers , Christians, and non-Christians alike. The demons don't care. If you have unconfessed sin in your life and it's been there a long time, don't be surprised that you will eventually have a demon enter through that open doorway.
 

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Well if you mean demons within us- the answer is no! we are possessed by the Holy Spirit. Believers can be oppressed but not possessed.
As a former satanist, you, of all people, should be aware of the truth of the matter AND be able to well articulate that truth to others - knowing that folks have an "obsession with possession." And that's the red herring, a lazy end run around the essential question, which is...

"Can a believer have a devil/demon within his body?"

Well, I hate to burst your bubble there, brother, but I have been in the deliverance ministry (casting out demons) for 2 decades, and I can tell you now that I have cast out demons from believers and nonbelievers as well. Pastors, ministers , Christians, and non-Christians alike. The demons don't care. If you have unconfessed sin in your life and it's been there a long time, don't be surprised that you will eventually have a demon enter through that open doorway.
There you have it! And I second that witness.

Well if you mean demons within us- the answer is no!
The answer to the question, "Can a believer have a devil/demon within his body?", is YES.

What saith scripture?

In order to arrive at a clear definition, one must first deal with the key word and then the key expression.

The Key Word

The key word is daimonizomai, which means, "to be demonized." It means, "to be controlled by a demon from within." This is the word that is frequently translated as "possessed by a demon." The problem with this definition is that the Greek word for "possession" is never used in conjunction with demons. What is found is always daimonizomai or "to be controlled by a demon from within." Rather than defining or translating the term as "demon possession," which for many people implies ownership by a demon, for clarity we can simply use "demonic control." This key word is found in the Greek text of Mat. 4:24; 8:16, 28, 33; 9:32; 12:22; 15:22; Mark 1:32; 5:15-16, 18; Luke 8:36; John 10:21.

The Key Expression

The key expression that means the same thing as the word daimonizomai, though the word itself is not used, is "to have a demon." The key expression emphasizes residency. The emphasis of the key word is on control, but the emphasis of the key expression is on residency in that with demonic control the demon is residing within that person. This key expression is found in Mat. 11:18; Luke 7:33; John 7:20; 8:48; 10:20; Acts 8:7; 16:16.

The Definition

By combining the key word and the key expression, a specific definition can be derived. By way of definition, demonic control involves a demon residing in a person and exercising direct control over that person with a certain degree of derangement of the mind or physical upset of the body. This definition takes into account the key word, the key expression, and the results. Again, demonic control involves: a demon residing in a person, emphasizing the key expression; exercising direct control over that person, emphasizing the key word; resulting in a certain degree of derangement of the mind or body, which is the result of a demon residing in a person and exercising direct control.

A good example of this in practice is Mat. 12:43-45, which discusses the demon's place and emphasizes both the key word and the key phrase. In Mark 5:1-20, there is an example of the result of demonic control, both in the physical and mental aspects.

The Distinctions

To get a clearer picture of what is meant by demonic control, a distinction needs to be made between demonic control and two other types of demonic activities.

a. Demonic Harassment

One type of demonic activity is demonic harassment, where a demon harasses a person from without. An example of this is found in 1 Thes. 2:18, which speaks of Satan hindering the plans of a believer. This is demonic harassment, when demons hinder the work of a believer.

b. Demonic Influence

A second type of demonic activity that must not be confused with demonic control is that of demonic influence. An example of this is Mat. 16:21-23. After Jesus made the statement that he was going to die, Peter said that no such thing would come upon him. Then Jesus turned around and, facing Peter, he said: Get thee behind me, Satan. Obviously, Satan was trying to keep Jesus from the cross. At that point, Peter had been influenced by Satan to try to dissuade Jesus from going to the cross. Peter was under demonic influence.

Demonic control should be distinguished from both demonic harassment and demonic influence. Demonic harassment and demonic influence are activities outside the person, but demonic control takes place inside the person.

Can a believer be demonized?

Can a demon control a believer? Normally, this question is phrased, "Can a believer be possessed by a demon?" As I pointed out earlier, the word "possession" is what is causing the misunderstanding. If by possession one means "ownership," then the answer is "No! A believer can never be possessed by a demon in the sense of ownership." According to 1 Cor. 6:20, the believer has been purchased by the Messiah, he is owned by the Messiah, and he can never be owned by Satan; he can only be owned by the Messiah. But the biblical usage is "control from within." If the question is rephrased as, "Can a believer be controlled by a demon from within?", then the answer is, "Yes, he can." There are two passages that make this clear.

First is Acts 5:1-4, the case of Ananias and Sapphira. Peter asked: Why has Satan filled your heart? using the same Greek word that Paul used in Eph 5:18, when he spoke of being filled with the Spirit. Just as to be filled with the Spirit means to be controlled by the Holy Spirit, so to be "filled with Satan" means to be controlled by Satan. The Holy Spirit controls from within and so, then, must Satan, since the same Greek word is used. The Bible does teach that a believer can be controlled by a demon from within.

A second passage is Eph. 4:27, where Paul wrote: Do not give place to the devil. Paul used a Greek word that means "beachhead." When an army attacks, it first sends in soldiers to control a beachhead. This beachhead is inside enemy territory. Once that is done, the reinforcements can come in while those in the beachhead give cover fire. A beachhead is an area of control within enemy territory. A believer can be controlled through a beachhead within, so a believer can be controlled by a demon.

The distinction between believers and unbelievers is not that a believer cannot be controlled and an unbeliever can be controlled. Rather, the difference is a matter of the extent of the control. An unbeliever can be totally controlled, but a believer can only be partially controlled, never totally controlled.

Again, the common objection has been: "How can a demon reside in the same body with the Holy Spirit?" Most believers realize that they still have a sin-nature. The Holy Spirit coexists with the sin-nature of the believer, both of which are within. The point is that the believer has two natures. The Holy Spirit resides in the new nature, not in the old sin-nature. The demon resides not in the new nature, but in the old sin-nature. The fact that there are two natures coexisting within the believer shows why both a demon and the Holy Spirit can coexist within the believer; they reside in two different natures.

The proper way of handling sin in the believer's life is the way of Romans 6: we must recognize that both our sin-nature and old man were crucified with Christ the moment we believed, thus breaking the bondage to sin. Now, we must make the decision not to let our bodies be used as instruments for sin. That is the New Testament pattern and the one we should follow.

One last thing by way of definition is that demonic control can be repeated (Mat. 12:43-45; Luke 11:24-26).
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Well, I hate to burst your bubble there, brother, but I have been in the deliverance ministry (casting out demons) for 2 decades, and I can tell you now that I have cast out demons from believers and nonbelievers as well. Pastors, ministers , Christians, and non-Christians alike. The demons don't care. If you have unconfessed sin in your life and it's been there a long time, don't be surprised that you will eventually have a demon enter through that open doorway.
Amen to that, I have been saying that a long time.
 

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Why We Dont See Casting Out of Devils?

Because the devil can only have someone's consent to possess someone, so this person is not someone but the devil himself, The world is full of such people. So how do you face and Casting Out of Devils?

Don't believe the movie about exorcism. The devil doesn't act as weird as he does in the movies.
 
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Christians don't recognize demon possession like Christians in the past did. It was normal for pastors to visit homes. Some of you might remember those days. I've seen a women possessed by a demon. I've seen many demons in the spirit. Bars are full of demon possessed people, but Christians don't go to bars, to look for demons to cast out, 75 years ago, a family would go to the bar and get a loved one and cast the demon out .
They would cast them out under the authority of Christ I would imagine?

You can’t cast them out under our “ own” authority can we?

I also don’t believe that a demon can possess a “ Born Again “. @Rockerduck .....no demon can indwell the spirit of a Born Again ,for that is where the Living Spirit indwells.

Born Again of imperishable/ incorruptible seed.plus a Born Again does not continue to sin because they have been Born Of God’s seed.

The enemy can attack our minds....as we walk in faith, we can discern the enemy’s voice..and rebuke all of his lies...the closer we get to the Spirit Of God.
 
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Well if you mean demons within us- the answer is no! we are possessed by the Holy Spirit. Believers can be oppressed but not possessed
Agreed.....Amen!

The enemy used to feed me lies to my mind...he never stops trying to tell me that God is not in my situation and that he doesn’t care about me......I know in my spirit that he is a liar....he’s very cunning though.....so we must be on our guard......he could never possess my heart, as it’s been birthed into the Spirit of Christ.

Spirit gives birth to spirit.
 

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They would cast them out under the authority of Christ I would imagine?

You can’t cast them out under our “ own” authority can we?

I also don’t believe that a demon can possess a “ Born Again “. @Rockerduck .....no demon can indwell the spirit of a Born Again ,for that is where the Living Spirit indwells.

Born Again of imperishable/ incorruptible seed.plus a Born Again does not continue to sin because they have been Born Of God’s seed.

The enemy can attack our minds....as we walk in faith, we can discern the enemy’s voice..and rebuke all of his lies...the closer we get to the Spirit Of God.
I don't believe any born again from above, chosen in Christ, Christian, can be indwelled by a demon spirit. The Holy Spirit enables a Christian to use the name of Christ, to cast a demon out.
 

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Well, I hate to burst your bubble there, brother, but I have been in the deliverance ministry (casting out demons) for 2 decades, and I can tell you now that I have cast out demons from believers and nonbelievers as well. Pastors, ministers , Christians, and non-Christians alike. The demons don't care. If you have unconfessed sin in your life and it's been there a long time, don't be surprised that you will eventually have a demon enter through that open doorway.
Sorry but a demon cannot possess what is possessed by the Holy Spirit-which is believers, even disobedient believers. You delivered believers from the oppression of demons at best.
 

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As a former satanist, you, of all people, should be aware of the truth of the matter AND be able to well articulate that truth to others - knowing that folks have an "obsession with possession." And that's the red herring, a lazy end run around the essential question, which is...

"Can a believer have a devil/demon within his body?"
The answer is no! A demon cannot posses what is possessed by the Holy Spirit which is believers.
 
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Sorry but a demon cannot possess what is possessed by the Holy Spirit-which is believers, even disobedient believers. You delivered believers from the oppression of demons at best.
That is true. A believer cannot be possessed; however, long-term, unconfessed, and unrepented sin can give the enemy a legal right to enter into a believer and torment them. Specific areas in their lives can be (what we call, demonized) or have a demon present.
 
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That is true. A believer cannot be possessed; however, long-term, unconfessed, and unrepented sin can give the enemy a legal right to enter into a believer and torment them. Specific areas in their lives can be (what we call, demonized) or have a demon present.
No the torment comes from outside. We give them the access to our mind and heart and soul with the trhought projections they muuter and chirp in our ears. They can only project no enter.

We become tormented because we listen to and believe the lies they cast and yes sin leaves a believer vulnerable to the suggestions of a demon. But they cannot enter in. They cannot abide int eh presence of ther Holy Spirit inside us. We may grieve and even quench the Spirit by our sin, but He still resides full force in us.
 
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No the torment comes from outside. We give them the access to our mind and heart and soul with the trhought projections they muuter and chirp in our ears. They can only project no enter.

We become tormented because we listen to and believe the lies they cast and yes sin leaves a believer vulnerable to the suggestions of a demon. But they cannot enter in. They cannot abide int eh presence of ther Holy Spirit inside us. We may grieve and even quench the Spirit by our sin, but He still resides full force in us.
Incorrect. Why would demons torment the outside of a believer when they have a legal right to enter due to unconfessed or unrepentant sin You misunderstand the concept of our relationship with the Lord. Our relationship with him is a two-sided agreement. If that agreement is broken because of unconfessed or unrepentant sin. That contract is broken until that believer confesses and repents; then that relationship is restored.
 
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