Why was there a reformation?

[Lifelong_sinner]

You misunderstand.

Trinity is a pagan concept, not a biblical Christ taught one.

Those who wrongly think of God as three separate beings are misled by the enemy who fractures truth with that lie.

God is a,the, holy spirit. That's not two, that's one God, oh Israel. Our God, our God is one.
Emmanuel the Christ, Jesus, through the Greek translations, was fully God. Because all that exists is of and from holy spirit.
In the beginning God created....

Then God created Adam and Eve in God's image and likeness.
Which is where people go wrong thinking that means God is a person.

He formed them from the dust. That God created in the beginning when he made the heavens and the earth.
Even the male pronoun is man made. But further leads to the falsehood that God is a male person.

The truth is in scripture. When we die our flesh returns to the dust from whence it sprang.

And our soul to God, who gave it. As when he breathed into Adam and Adam then became a living man.

The breath of God gives life.

God is a word that encapsulates the power and infinite omnipresence of Holy Spirit.

One God. Not three.
God is not divided.

Matthew15:9 "In vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’”
What Does the Bible Say About God Is Not Divided?

wow. What a mess.

 

[Pythagorean12]

Absolutely not. To this day, it means being on the same page, not being the same being.

Pagan Christianity damns.There are many like you who live and die wrong.

The trinity is Satanic. Born from the Satanic patriarchs of the Roman rite cult hundreds of years after Christ.
It's a written history of man.

 

[Wrangler]

Jesus never taught the Trinity.

wow. What a mess.

It's THE EXACT OPPOSITE of a mess. Simple and clean. No comment to the fact that Jesus never taught the trinity?

The trinity is Satanic. Born from the Satanic patriarchs of the Roman rite cult hundreds of years after Christ.
It's a written history of man.

What's a good reference for this? I great book I read on the topic is "When Jesus Became God" by Richard E. Rubenstein. He delves into how the mystics and political considerations drove the adoption of trinitarianism, not Satanists. So, I'm interested in reading a good reference on point.

One thing a late apostate said of trinitarianism, it's hallmark is to NEVER bring forth the Spirit of God but division, hate, pride, superiority.

 

[theefaith]

I'm about ready to put you on ignore with that post. Scripture is NOT different on this issue! See Roman 14:1, 13. See James 4:11-12

Yes. we have one faith - in WHO, not WHAT. We have faith in Jesus, not your man-made doctrines. As someone observed yesterday, you are a good and devout Catholic but not a Christian.

christ and his church are one! Acts 9:4 Jn 15:1-5 eph 5:32

1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

this extends to the truth and to the church

 

[theefaith]

Say hello to my ignore list.

Stop replying then

 

[JohnPaul]

im assuming you’re talking about Genesis when God said let us, and the Father was talking to Jesus and the Holy Spirit. And no, the Holy Spirit isnt the joy you feel. The Holy Spirit was sent to us as Jesus ascended into Heaven. You denying the Holy Spirit is not good. You need to read up on Him and accept Him quickly. Without the Holy Spirit living in you, you cannot be saved.

Thank you for your concern.

 

[JohnPaul]

I'm about ready to put you on ignore with that post. Scripture is NOT different on this issue! See Roman 14:1, 13. See James 4:11-12

Yes. we have one faith - in WHO, not WHAT. We have faith in Jesus, not your man-made doctrines. As someone observed yesterday, you are a good and devout Catholic but not a Christian.

Catholics are Christians too, just like all the other denominations you don’t agree with, we should be praying people find the way instead of inciting hate for others beliefs.

 

[Pythagorean12]

It's THE EXACT OPPOSITE of a mess. Simple and clean. No comment to the fact that Jesus never taught the trinity?



What's a good reference for this? I great book I read on the topic is "When Jesus Became God" by Richard E. Rubenstein. He delves into how the mystics and political considerations drove the adoption of trinitarianism, not Satanists. So, I'm interested in reading a good reference on point.

One thing a late apostate said of trinitarianism, it's hallmark is to NEVER bring forth the Spirit of God but division, hate, pride, superiority.

I find in my studies when I'm ready God puts the lesson where I can't miss it.

As to the origin of the pagans trinity, maybe consider the dual aspect in Revelation.
Satanic pagan trinity: father, son, holy ghost. God separate but one?Divided. Which is a lie.
Now look to Revelation and how it describes there a Satanic trinity: a false god; a false christ; and a false spirit.

pagan origin trinity doctrine - Google Search

 

[Wrangler]

Catholics are Christians too, just like all the other denominations you don’t agree with, we should be praying people find the way instead of inciting hate for others beliefs.

This other "belief" is not theological doctrine but using the power of the State to persecute other Christians. If opposing this by merely not engaging further in discussion is 'inciting hate' call me guilty.

 

[JohnPaul]

This other "belief" is not theological doctrine but using the power of the State to persecute other Christians. If opposing this by merely not engaging further in discussion is 'inciting hate' call me guilty.

The power of the State? I thought Church was separate from State here in America, I've never seen the Church using the power of the State to persecute other Christians, that's just silly.

I'm not saying to not oppose it but to pray that our brothers that follow these false teachings and rituals find the way and the truth as I did and so many have.

 

[Desire Of All Nations]

I said that there are many beliefs.
That is different than saying there are many Gospels- obviously there is only 1 Gospel.

However, because humans are sinners, they are always going to have different beliefs, yes with many bad docterines thrown in there. There’s no point in bemoaning that- it is how it is and it would be unethical to try to force others to believe as you do. Share your beliefs and pray that others embrace them, yes. But not force.

Having different beliefs is the same as adhering to different gospels. Paul said all Christians are to speak the same thing and have the same judgement. You are not only contradicting yourself, but you're also contradicting the Bible. By saying there is no point in talking about bad doctrines, you're saying they should just be tolerated, nvm the fact that a good portion of the epistles was dedicated to the apostles exposing and denouncing false doctrines and shunning false converts. According to your logic though, those men should've just tolerated false doctrines and embraced the false converts poisoning their congregations. It's as ridiculous as it is unbiblical.

Catholics are Christians too, just like all the other denominations you don’t agree with, we should be praying people find the way instead of inciting hate for others beliefs.

According to what God has to say about this system in Rev. 17:5, Catholics are most certainly not Christians. Catholics spent centuries murdering true Christians and anyone else who didn't conform to their beliefs. Not only did the Bible prophesy it, history documents it. I strongly advise you to objectively research look into the history of Catholicism with an open mind, beginning with Constantine's reign all the way to the Catholic Church's subtle(and in some circumstances, overt) support of Hitler's holocaust against the Jews during the Third Reich.

Rev. 13 speaks of this church as looking like a lamb but speaking like a dragon for a reason, and that reason is because it has been empowered by Satan(Rev. 13:1-2, 4). The Bible also says this same church will once again go on a murderous spree against God's true followers once the Holy Roman Empire rises out of Europe for the last time(Rev. 12:15, 17, 13:11-12, 15). That's not "inciting hate". That's what the Bible teaches. It's only a matter of time before the Catholic church shows its true colors again once it has the political support to enforce its doctrines.

A lot of sincere(but still deceived) people are blinded by this church because they refuse to look past the pious charade it puts on and look at its history and its doctrines. Revelation 17 clearly talks about a harlot church that calls itself Christian and is the mother of equally false daughter churches. The fact that this worldwide church system wields political influence in this world is the biggest indicator that it is not Christian.

 

[JohnPaul]

Having different beliefs is the same as adhering to different gospels. Paul said all Christians are to speak the same thing and have the same judgement. You are not only contradicting yourself, but you're also contradicting the Bible. By saying there is no point in talking about bad doctrines, you're saying they should just be tolerated, nvm the fact that a good portion of the epistles was dedicated to the apostles exposing and denouncing false doctrines and shunning false converts. According to your logic though, those men should've just tolerated false doctrines and embraced the false converts poisoning their congregations. It's as ridiculous as it is unbiblical.
According to what God has to say about this system in Rev. 17:5, Catholics are most certainly not Christians. Catholics spent centuries murdering true Christians and anyone else who didn't conform to their beliefs. Not only did the Bible prophesy it, history documents it. I strongly advise you to objectively research look into the history of Catholicism with an open mind, beginning with Constantine's reign all the way to the Catholic Church's subtle(and in some circumstances, overt) support of Hitler's holocaust against the Jews during the Third Reich.

Rev. 13 speaks of this church as looking like a lamb but speaking like a dragon for a reason, and that reason is because it has been empowered by Satan(Rev. 13:1-2, 4). The Bible also says this same church will once again go on a murderous spree against God's true followers once the Holy Roman Empire rises out of Europe for the last time(Rev. 12:15, 17, 13:11-12, 15). That's not "inciting hate". That's what the Bible teaches. It's only a matter of time before the Catholic church shows its true colors again once it has the political support to enforce its doctrines.

A lot of sincere(but still deceived) people are blinded by this church because they refuse to look past the pious charade it puts on and look at its history and its doctrines. Revelation 17 clearly talks about a harlot church that calls itself Christian and is the mother of equally false daughter churches. The fact that this worldwide church system wields political influence in this world is the biggest indicator that it is not Christian.

Who made you God to judge and what doctrine are you that makes you so right? Only hypocrite I see is you.

 

[Enoch111]

What's a good reference for this? I great book I read on the topic is "When Jesus Became God" by Richard E. Rubenstein.

Looks like an unconverted Jew trying to tell others that Jesus has NOT always been God the Word (the Son of God). Jews reject the deity of Christ just like all other heretics and cults. This one doctrine is the key to seeing whether a person is truly saved or not. No one can be saved unless they believe (sincerely and wholeheartedly) that Jesus is God.

 

[JohnPaul]

Looks like an unconverted Jew trying to tell others that Jesus has NOT always been God the Word (the Son of God). Jews reject the deity of Christ just like all other heretics and cults. This one doctrine is the key to seeing whether a person is truly saved or not. No one can be saved unless they believe (sincerely and wholeheartedly) that Jesus is God.

Says you, there is only one God Jehova and his Son our Savior, father and son, two.

 

[David H.]

Who made you God to judge and what doctrine are you that makes you so right? Only hypocrite I see is you.

John Paul,
Though I agree with you that there are Catholics who are Christians, It would be nice to see some Catholics being honest with regard to their History as @Desire Of All Nations has pointed out. I Know protestant history is not pretty either, as they have fallen into the same "harlotries" as their "mother" church has as per Revelation 17.... The Problem is the nature of man that leads them to succumb to these temptations But God has his own from all the denominations that are His Sheep.

The Wheat and tares must grow together, and it is the Job of the "angels" to separate them when the time comes, We as Believers are told to speak the truth in love until then. Truth is a hard thing to receive at times, especially if you are standing on the opposite side caught in the deception, But if your heart yearns for the Truth, the truth will set you free.

 

[JohnPaul]

Everyone likes to play God and tell others who’s going to be saved and who’s going to be damned, I say that’s a sin within itself.

It is you all that that like to judge others and say they follow false doctrine, that shall have to answer to God.

 

[David H.]

Everyone likes to play God and tell others who’s going to be saved and who’s going to be damned, I say that’s a sin within itself.

It is you all that that like to judge others and say they follow false doctrine, that shall have to answer to God.

all I am saying is there is a "bad history" there in the Catholic church, Not denying the Protestants are equally as guilty... Think Lutherans in Nazi Germany as well as Pope regarding Hitler.

We Must Speak the truth in love to edify the Body, Not to uproot the tares among us, which is the Job of the angels at the time of Harvest. The Truth will offend those who are not in the Truth, But those who receive the Truth in the Body will be set free from the deceptions of men.

I say it is better be found on the side of Truth rather than exposed as tares at the time of Harvest, I think this is something we should all agree on, correct?

 

[amigo de christo]

Same reason there is one today . Lambs dont enter into the chambers of a harlot . And this one wont be entering into
this we are one all inclusive unity move led by Rome and most all protestant leaders now .
The pope once called luther a wild boar , i imagine before its all said and done and i will have many names myself .
BUT I WONT be entering into no UNITY covenant with sold out churches . I will , however and RATHER , be warning against the movement .

 

[Pythagorean12]

Everyone likes to play God and tell others who’s going to be saved and who’s going to be damned, I say that’s a sin within itself.

It is you all that that like to judge others and say they follow false doctrine, that shall have to answer to God.

I think the concern of many Christians here when it comes to the Romans Catholic is a with regard for the countless persons now identifying as Roman Catholic being outside of God's grace and living condemned still in their sins.

 

[Wrangler]

his one doctrine is the key to seeing whether a person is truly saved or not. No one can be saved unless they believe (sincerely and wholeheartedly) that Jesus is God.

A man-made criteria, revealing the idolatry of this doctrine for nowhere in Scripture is it stated that Jesus is God or that one must believe that to be saved.