Why pray for God to CHANGE your circumstances instead of CHANGING you?

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St. SteVen

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Something to consider.

At the risk of seeming callous...
God may have allowed your circumstances for a reason.

We've all been there. When we encounter a tough situation we want to escape.
To free ourselves from the pain, aggravation, or discomfort.

Oftentimes God has a better solution than what we can reason on our own.
Moses didn't pray for the Red Sea to open as an escape route. That was God's idea.

Best to present our situation to God to receive his best solution.

I have a card on my desk to remind me of this. It reads: Turn it over to God.
Which means, the PROBLEM, not my SOLUTION.

Why pray for God to CHANGE your circumstances instead of CHANGING you?

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Something to consider.

At the risk of seeming callous...
God may have allowed your circumstances for a reason.

We've all been there. When we encounter a tough situation we want to escape.
To free ourselves from the pain, aggravation, or discomfort.

Oftentimes God has a better solution than what we can reason on our own.
Moses didn't pray for the Red Sea to open as an escape route. That was God's idea.

Best to present our situation to God to receive his best solution.

I have a card on my desk to remind me of this. It reads: Turn it over to God.
Which means, the PROBLEM, not my SOLUTION.

Why pray for God to CHANGE your circumstances instead of CHANGING you?

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1jo 3:2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Are we there yet?
 

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Interesting to only get one reply to this topic. Is this a message no one wants to hear?

That God would bring circumstances into our lives with the intention of changing us,
while we pray that he change the circumstances rather than change us. ???

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Interesting to only get one reply to this topic. Is this a message no one wants to hear?

That God would bring circumstances into our lives with the intention of changing us,
while we pray that he change the circumstances rather than change us. ???

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Because most people currently are facing extremely difficult economic pressures with no viable solution.

They live in modest housing of some sort with a bleak economic future. The food supply in their home is low, same with their wearability of clothing. Their transportation needs are also modest and the repairs are becoming larger and larger as time goes by.

It's like the slow wearing down of shoe leather. Most people are one small catastrophe away from bankruptcy. (Automobile wreck, injury or illness, death in the family, and etc)

And that's where the majority of people are. It's not like they are not trying...they are working and employed but truly underemployed. Their paychecks are not enough anymore.
 

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Interesting to only get one reply to this topic. Is this a message no one wants to hear?

That God would bring circumstances into our lives with the intention of changing us,
while we pray that he change the circumstances rather than change us. ???

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Did you do this topic previously? I thought I had read it and liked it before. I could be wrong.

Yes, sometimes God allows circumstances to help refine us. Or certain circumstances can help us to grow in patient endurance.
 

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Did you do this topic previously? I thought I had read it and liked it before. I could be wrong.
As far as I can tell, this is the only one. Surprising that there was so little response.
I may have picked a bad day of the week or something. That can have an effect.

Yes, sometimes God allows circumstances to help refine us. Or certain circumstances can help us to grow in patient endurance.
Exactly.
But so often we ask God to change our circumstances rather than change us.
Even if we ask others to pray for us, that is the assumed focus. Pray for God to change the circumstances.

Perhaps a pertinent question would be to ask how we can pray for ourselves and others
with a mind toward the option of changing ourselves rather than the circumstances.

There are probably circumstances when this is not appropriate, but in some cases it may be.
Perhaps more often than we thought. ???

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Why pray for God to CHANGE your circumstances instead of CHANGING you?

We are told to present our request to God.
Is the first response.
A 2nd is not every situation needs a change in my attitude, many do require a change in circumstances.

3rd it could well be that both need to happen.
Someone unemployed will pray for a job, but may also need to change their expectation of work.

We worship a God who knows our needs and abilities far better than we do and he will respond appropriately.
We don't have to get the wording, the situation right, it is sufficient that we express our need,
 
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From the OP.

Something to consider.

At the risk of seeming callous...
God may have allowed your circumstances for a reason.

We've all been there. When we encounter a tough situation we want to escape.
To free ourselves from the pain, aggravation, or discomfort.

Oftentimes God has a better solution than what we can reason on our own.
Moses didn't pray for the Red Sea to open as an escape route. That was God's idea.

Best to present our situation to God to receive his best solution.

I have a card on my desk to remind me of this. It reads: Turn it over to God.
Which means, the PROBLEM, not my SOLUTION.

Why pray for God to CHANGE your circumstances instead of CHANGING you?

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From the OP.

Something to consider.

At the risk of seeming callous...
God may have allowed your circumstances for a reason.

We've all been there. When we encounter a tough situation we want to escape.
To free ourselves from the pain, aggravation, or discomfort.

Oftentimes God has a better solution than what we can reason on our own.
Moses didn't pray for the Red Sea to open as an escape route. That was God's idea.

Best to present our situation to God to receive his best solution.

I have a card on my desk to remind me of this. It reads: Turn it over to God.
Which means, the PROBLEM, not my SOLUTION.

Why pray for God to CHANGE your circumstances instead of CHANGING you?

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True. Sometimes God uses circumstances to teach us or to rub off some rough edges from us.
 
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True. Sometimes God uses circumstances to teach us or to rub off some rough edges from us.
I try to remember that it is our responsibility as Christ followers to take the lead in a situation.
To be peacemakers, to extend forgiveness and inject grace into the situation. To put our fleshly impulses aside.

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Something to consider.

At the risk of seeming callous...
God may have allowed your circumstances for a reason.

We've all been there. When we encounter a tough situation we want to escape.
To free ourselves from the pain, aggravation, or discomfort.

Oftentimes God has a better solution than what we can reason on our own.
Moses didn't pray for the Red Sea to open as an escape route. That was God's idea.

Best to present our situation to God to receive his best solution.

I have a card on my desk to remind me of this. It reads: Turn it over to God.
Which means, the PROBLEM, not my SOLUTION.

Why pray for God to CHANGE your circumstances instead of CHANGING you?

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If it's understood that EVERYTHING that happens here on Earth happens for a reason, then each and every difficulty that we face should be welcomed.

Everything in life is either a lesson, test, reward or punishment.

If we learn our lessons quickly, and adapt (change ourselves), then we are rewarded (spiritually). If we are obstinate/hard-headed/hard-hearted, then we are punished, so that we learn to differentiate between good and evil/selfish behavior.

So asking Father (God) to change some condition or circumstances we are experiencing is akin to asking Him to do something that will NOT help us, as well as very arrogantly assuming that we know better than God (about the lessons, or the tests, or what the best course of action is for us and all of those around us).

Note:

People often see evil people in positions of power, enjoying worldly, material wealth, and then others who seem pious having to live through challenging conditions, and then seem confused about how this world works.

God brings the sunshine and the rain upon the just and the unjust (Matt. 5:45). But the same is NOT true about the spiritual gifts that God bestows upon those striving to DO His Will.

Acts 5:29
5:29 Then Peter and the [other] Apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
5:31 Him hath God exalted with His right hand [to be] a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
5:32 And we are His witnesses of these things; and [so is] also the Holy Spirit, whom God hath given to them that obey Him.
5:33 When they heard [that], they were cut [to the heart], and took counsel to slay them.

This is why we are repeatedly told to learn to overcome and crucify the "self" (the ego), with its selfish, materialistic values, and learn to seek the spiritual values that Father (God) awaits to shower us with as we draw closer to Him.

Crucify the "self" daily (look in the mirror and hold out your body's arms horizontally out from its sides...that is our cross to bear):
See: (Matt. 10:38; Matt. 16:24-26; Mark 8:34; Luke 9:23; Luke 14:26-27; Thomas 6:9; Gal. 2:20).

The "Overcomeths" (overcoming the "self"):
(Rev. 2:7; 2:11; 2:17; 2:26-28; 3:5; 3:12; 3:21; 21:7).
 
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Something to consider.

At the risk of seeming callous...
God may have allowed your circumstances for a reason.

We've all been there. When we encounter a tough situation we want to escape.
To free ourselves from the pain, aggravation, or discomfort.

Oftentimes God has a better solution than what we can reason on our own.
Moses didn't pray for the Red Sea to open as an escape route. That was God's idea.

Best to present our situation to God to receive his best solution.

I have a card on my desk to remind me of this. It reads: Turn it over to God.
Which means, the PROBLEM, not my SOLUTION.

Why pray for God to CHANGE your circumstances instead of CHANGING you?

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