Why its important to keep the Sabbath

[Ziggy]

The Sabbath isn't a law it is a gift.
It became a law when man became ungreatful snots and tossed God's gift back in his face.
God gave, he wants man to give. Man took, so God took it back.

Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, you reap what you sow,

Again To day the invitation is given. So give.
It is more blessed to give than to recieve.
Do what God showed you to do and you will find rest.
What did God do? The same thing he sent his Son to do.

Isa 61:1
The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
Isa 61:2
To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
Isa 61:3
To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.

Luk 4:18
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luk 4:19
To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Luk 4:20
And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
Luk 4:21
And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

Deu 8:2
And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no.
Deu 8:3
And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.
Deu 8:4
Thy raiment waxed not old upon thee, neither did thy foot swell, these forty years.
Deu 8:5
Thou shalt also consider in thine heart, that, as a man chasteneth his son, so the LORD thy God chasteneth thee.
Deu 8:6
Therefore thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to fear him.

DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE DONE UNTO YOU.

Do it do it do it.

God give you his sabbath to rest in, you give others rest. Walk in HIS ways.
Do as he does. He gives, You give. So you can be perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect.

The Sabbath isn't about MEEEEEEE MEEEEEE MEEEEEE.
If it was then God never would of given it to man.
He would of kept it Holy and sanctified for his own use.

What did Jesus do on the Sabbath day? He died for our sins. He did this for us. And we aught to lay our own lives down for each other.
No greater love is there than a man lay down his life for his friends.
Act 15:23
And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
Act 15:24
Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
Act 15:25
It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
Act 15:26
Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Act 15:27
We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
Act 15:28
For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
Act 15:29
That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

And don't forget to keep the Sabbath??? Um not in there. WHY?
Because the Sabbath is fulfilled when we love God and we love one another as God has loved us.

Mat 11:28
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

He aint heavy, he's my brother.

Hugs

 

[David in NJ]

Jdg 9:7
And when they told it to Jotham, he went and stood in the top of mount Gerizim, and lifted up his voice, and cried, and said unto them, Hearken unto me, ye men of Shechem, that God may hearken unto you.
Jdg 9:8
The trees went forth on a time to anoint a king over them; and they said unto the olive tree, Reign thou over us.
Jdg 9:9
But the olive tree said unto them, Should I leave my fatness, wherewith by me they honour God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees?
Jdg 9:10
And the trees said to the fig tree, Come thou, and reign over us.
Jdg 9:11
But the fig tree said unto them, Should I forsake my sweetness, and my good fruit, and go to be promoted over the trees?
Jdg 9:12
Then said the trees unto the vine, Come thou, and reign over us.
Jdg 9:13
And the vine said unto them, Should I leave my wine, which cheereth God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees?
Jdg 9:14
Then said all the trees unto the bramble, Come thou, and reign over us.
Jdg 9:15
And the bramble said unto the trees, If in truth ye anoint me king over you, then come and put your trust in my shadow: and if not, let fire come out of the bramble, and devour the cedars of Lebanon.

Luk 6:44
For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.

Exo 3:2
And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.

Lam 3:22
It is of the LORD'S mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not.

Jhn 1:18
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Jhn 3:13
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
1Ti 6:16
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
1Jo 4:12
No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.


The LORD talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,
Deu 5:5
(I stood between the LORD and you at that time, to shew you the word of the LORD: for ye were afraid by reason of the fire, and went not up into the mount;) saying,
Deu 5:6
I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
Deu 5:7
Thou shalt have none other gods before me.

So when Jesus comes along claiming to be the Son of God, even the first begotten of God, even claiming to be God, then Israel became furious, because under the law they were to have no other gods before the Lord they followed.

So somebody isn't telling the truth.
Either Jesus is lying saying no man hath seen God at any time, or Moses is lying saying he spoke to God face to face.

choose.

Moses stood between the Lord and the people.

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So somebody isn't telling the truth.

Either Jesus is lying saying no man hath seen God at any time, or Moses is lying saying he spoke to God face to face.

choose.

CHOOSE the TRUTH
Jhn 1:18
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Jhn 3:13
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
1Ti 6:16
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
1Jo 4:12
No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

Moses saw the LORD Jesus Christ BEFORE HE came to earth as a man.

 

[David in NJ]

The Sabbath isn't a law it is a gift.
It became a law when man became ungreatful snots and tossed God's gift back in his face.
God gave, he wants man to give. Man took, so God took it back.

There are TWO separate sabbaths.

The FIRST ONE God spoke of in Genesis 2:3
Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

The second sabbath rest was given to Moses/Israelites = Exodus 31:12-17

The FIRST ONE is the LORD of Heaven = Gospel , Hebrews
Matt 11:28 - "Come to ME and I will give you REST"
Hebrews 4:1-5
Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. 2For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:

“So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”

although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”

ONLY ONE REMAINS - so you better know which ONE it is

otherwise = “So I swore in My wrath, ‘They shall not enter My rest,’

BOTH sabbaths have the DEATH Penalty for refusing GOD

What is refusing God? = Unbelief in the heart of a person who clings to outward religion which they can touch.

 

[Ziggy]

CHOOSE the TRUTH
Jhn 1:18
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Jhn 3:13
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
1Ti 6:16
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
1Jo 4:12
No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

Mose saw the LORD Jesus Christ BEFORE HE came to earth as a man.

Yeah, I went sideways earlier, sorry for my rant.
Sometimes I need to pluck an eye out to see clearly.
So sometimes I see the OT as NIGHT and the NT as DAY.
And in the NIGHT God set a sun and a moon and stars in it to give light in the darkness.
Sometimes finding those lights in the NIGHT are difficult and everything becomes dark.
That's not to say there aren't clouds in the Day, and sometimes the DAY gets too hot and the NIGHT gets too cold.
That's when I have to take a walk for awhile and recollect my thoughts.

Although I do find it rather odd, that there is more heat in the OT and coolness in the NT.
Anger, wrath, jealousy.. the heat. Love, mercy, peace.. the coolness of the Day.

Gen 3:8
And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

sometimes thinking gets me into trouble.
Hugs

 

[David in NJ]

@Randy Kluth

So, here's the deal: You called me; I didn't call you.

I don't care if you think the direct approach is insulting.

Again, two long posts of deflecting and spitballing.

I suppose I'm expected to respond to all of it even though, after calling me out, you won't answer two simple questions but, instead, prefer to "address" my "concern."

That's somewhat insulting. You're dictating terms without any good faith, authority, or leverage to do so.

So I'm going to directly address a few points in hopes that you'll do me the same courtesy.



I understand the non-argument perfectly. Who is "everybody in history?" Cite testimony to support your claim from just one of these people. "It's foolish to say otherwise" is just a superfluous remark to shore up an argument from silence.



You're making an opinionated generalization here based on a Q&A snippet. You can't tell me what he and others were saying about the law in general based on that, which is an obfuscation and over-complication anyway.

What we're talking about is the "commandments" to which Hebrews 7 and Romans 7 refer and whether they are synonymous or not—which they aren't and is made plain by the ceremonial and moral contexts, respectively.

You made the claim that Hebrews called for the changing of the law as if the Ten Commandments were included in that change and I've demonstrated by reasonable hermeneutics that your claim is false.

I know that postmodern Christianity is awash with the Mitzvot nonsense and I get it. But it is false doctrine and playing the victim of insult isn't going to change that.

The Ten Commandments etched in stone by the finger of God were kept inside the ark of the covenant and the writings of Moses (admittedly, most likely containing the transcription of the Ten Commandments as they appear in Exodus 20) were kept alongside the ark.

In Leviticus 23:38, the LORD distinguishes the weekly Sabbath of the LORD from the feast sabbaths that were part of ceremonial law.

These are facts. You can dismiss them if you like and claim that people believed the "613" nonsense 50 years ago but I was there and I'm telling you that they believed no such thing unless they all somehow conspired to keep it from me.



Pontification based on your own perceived authority



The ultimate argument from imagined silence. Have you read Luther, Wycliffe, Spurgeon, anyone?



We do not agree on that. Morals are eternal—they do not "remain." And you've got some nerve suggesting that someone with the credibility of a Billy Graham (to whom I truly have no particular loyalty) "didn't dig into the details enough to use perfect language."



I didn't base my faith on their "language" at all.

And I'm sure if Graham had just studied a little more after nearly 70 years of ministry, evangelism, and study, he'd have had a chance to catch up with your understanding.

By the way, which is it—"they" didn't dig enough or weren't even "queried?" Give me a break.



You've already quit, brother. You're not saying anything.



Except for the 4th, right?

And many of your fellow Sabbath objectors disagree.

And a house divided against itself...



This might actually be a new one on me. But it's just as hare-brained as all the rest of the desperate attempts that have been devised over the centuries to whittle away at the perpetuity of the 4th commandment. The very text in the commandment itself specifically tells us to rest because HE rested from creating the world—not we.



It's not a problem to define. It's stated plainly in Hebrews 4. Resting in the LORD is our 24/7 part of what constitutes abiding and enduring to the end. Resting on the Sabbath never purchased eternal life for anyone.



You can do all the suggesting you like—I prefer to do what God simply says.



I agree, but I seriously doubt we agree on what that means.



Just a bunch of postmodern neo-New Covenant baloney. You don't know "what they meant." You don't even know who "they" are.

At least say something responsive if you can't answer my questions.

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@BarneyFife @Brakelite @Phoneman777

GOD did not rest from the events of Creation.

GOD did rest in the Work that was finished from the foundation of the world.

GOD gave us sabbath rest under the law which was our Tutor to bring us to CHRIST.

CHRIST is what the law and the prophets ALL spoke of and is the REST from GOD.


TWO GIFTS = choose wisely

gift - The saturday sabbath rest was a gift to man.

GIFT = For God so loved the world that HE gave His only begotten Son.

 

[David in NJ]

Yeah, I went sideways earlier, sorry for my rant.
Sometimes I need to pluck an eye out to see clearly.
So sometimes I see the OT as NIGHT and the NT as DAY.
And in the NIGHT God set a sun and a moon and stars in it to give light in the darkness.
Sometimes finding those lights in the NIGHT are difficult and everything becomes dark.
That's not to say there aren't clouds in the Day, and sometimes the DAY gets too hot and the NIGHT gets too cold.
That's when I have to take a walk for awhile and recollect my thoughts.

Although I do find it rather odd, that there is more heat in the OT and coolness in the NT.
Anger, wrath, jealousy.. the heat. Love, mercy, peace.. the coolness of the Day.

Gen 3:8
And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

sometimes thinking gets me into trouble.
Hugs

OK, now you are back on the WAY (in the Cool of the DAY)

Heads UP = The feasts, including Passover, are governed by the full moon = night-time light

The REAL Sabbath is our LIGHT of the DAY = Sun is symbolic of the SON

"You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness."
1 Thessalonians 5:5

 

[amigo de christo]

CHOOSE the TRUTH
Jhn 1:18
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Jhn 3:13
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
1Ti 6:16
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
1Jo 4:12
No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

Mose saw the LORD Jesus Christ BEFORE HE came to earth as a man.

Expose the lies my friend .
Expose the lies .
Had the other person actually read the bible for themselves
they would have seen MOSES actually was NOT ALLOWED TO SEE THE FACE OF GOD
but rather was hidden in the cleft of the rock , ONLY ALLOWED to see the very very most hindermost parts of GOD .
folks are not reading them bibles . THEY just picking and choosing certain verses and dont read THE WHOLE OF IT
for themselves . Expose it all my friend . This lamb , by grace has stayed dug in that bible for many years now
every day . TIME Folks BIBLE UP is all i can say . FOR MANY do not know how to rightly divide anything these days .

 

[amigo de christo]

OK, now you are back on the WAY (in the Cool of the DAY)

Heads UP = The feasts, including Passover, are governed by the full moon = night-time light

The REAL Sabbath is our LIGHT of the DAY = Sun is symbolic of the SON

"You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness."
1 Thessalonians 5:5

point to CHRIST JESUS TILL THE LAST BREATH MY FRIEND . TILL THE LAST AND FINAL BREATH .

 

[amigo de christo]

@BarneyFife @Brakelite @Phoneman777

GOD did not rest from the events of Creation.

GOD did rest in the Work that was finished from the foundation of the world.

GOD gave us sabbath rest under the law which was our Tutor to bring us to CHRIST.

CHRIST is what the law and the prophets ALL spoke of and is the REST from GOD.


TWO GIFTS = choose wisely

gift - The saturday sabbath rest was a gift to man.

GIFT = For God so loved the world that HE gave His only begotten Son.

my Father works and i work hitherto . JESUS said that when they accused him of working on the sabbath .
I have come to FINISH , TO FINISH THE WORKS of MY FATHER . SAID THAT TOO .

 

[amigo de christo]

@BarneyFife @Brakelite @Phoneman777

GOD did not rest from the events of Creation.

GOD did rest in the Work that was finished from the foundation of the world.

GOD gave us sabbath rest under the law which was our Tutor to bring us to CHRIST.

CHRIST is what the law and the prophets ALL spoke of and is the REST from GOD.


TWO GIFTS = choose wisely

gift - The saturday sabbath rest was a gift to man.

GIFT = For God so loved the world that HE gave His only begotten Son.

man was not MADE for the sabbath but the SABBATH for man . YEAH , JESUS said that too .
THERE IS A MUCH BIGGER PICTURE AT WORK INDEED and JESUS CAME TO FINISH THE WORKS TOO .
TIME TO POINT TO JESUS CHRIST till the last bit of air runs out those lungs .
Hebrews three , to enter into that REST . THAT SPOKE OF JESUS CHRIST and that BE A FACT .
And yet many wont enter into that rest . ITS ALL ABOUT FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST WHOM GOD DID SEND .
TODAY BE THE DAY , THE DAY OF SALVATION
COME ONE and cOME ALL who do labor and are weary and YE shall find REST , REST for YOUR SOULS .
MUCH BIGGER PICTURE INDEED . REST FOR ..................YOUR SOULS . SOULS . SOULS .

 

[Ziggy]

So I look up the word Sabbath and one of it's meaning day of atonement.

1. sabbath
2. day of atonement

Exo 29:37
Seven days thou shalt make an atonement for the altar, and sanctify it; and it shall be an altar most holy: whatsoever toucheth the altar shall be holy.

Exo 30:16
And thou shalt take the atonement money of the children of Israel, and shalt appoint it for the service of the tabernacle of the congregation; that it may be a memorial unto the children of Israel before the LORD, to make an atonement for your souls.

Rom 5:8
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9
Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Rom 5:10
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Rom 5:11
And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

Sabbath, Atonement.....

atonement money:

1Pe 1:17
And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
1Pe 1:18
Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
1Pe 1:19
But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1Pe 1:20
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
1Pe 1:21
Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
1Pe 1:22
Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

hugs

 

[amigo de christo]

So I look up the word Sabbath and one of it's meaning day of atonement.

1. sabbath
2. day of atonement

Exo 29:37
Seven days thou shalt make an atonement for the altar, and sanctify it; and it shall be an altar most holy: whatsoever toucheth the altar shall be holy.

Exo 30:16
And thou shalt take the atonement money of the children of Israel, and shalt appoint it for the service of the tabernacle of the congregation; that it may be a memorial unto the children of Israel before the LORD, to make an atonement for your souls.

Rom 5:8
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9
Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Rom 5:10
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Rom 5:11
And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

Sabbath, Atonement.....

atonement money:

1Pe 1:17
And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
1Pe 1:18
Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
1Pe 1:19
But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1Pe 1:20
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
1Pe 1:21
Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
1Pe 1:22
Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

hugs

Day of what ..............ATONMENT .
Now why is that WORD so familiar and WHO IS THE ONLY ONE the ONLY NAME that
can atone .........................
MUCH bigger work was at work in JESUS DAY .
BY WHOM , aka BY HIM BY JESUS CHRIST we have now recieved the ...............ATONMENT .
TODAY is the day OF SALVATION
let all seek to enter into that REST
the rest
COME YE UNTO ME ALL YOU WHO DO LABOR AND ARE WEARY and YE SHALL FIND REST .........................for your SOULS .

 

[Randy Kluth]

@BarneyFife @Brakelite @Phoneman777

GOD did not rest from the events of Creation.

I have trouble understanding your argument. What we are told is precisely that God rested from His works in Creation.

GOD did rest in the Work that was finished from the foundation of the world.

Yes, this was the work of Creation.

GOD gave us sabbath rest under the law which was our Tutor to bring us to CHRIST.

God gave *Israel* the Sabbath--not the world. That is an important distinction.

CHRIST is what the law and the prophets ALL spoke of and is the REST from GOD.

Christ allows Israel to rest from doing the Law, since he had already accomplished the redemption to which the Law pointed. But most of Israel has not entered into Christ's rest from this work. And there remains another "rest" to come for the earth when Christ returns.

TWO GIFTS = choose wisely

gift - The saturday sabbath rest was a gift to man.

GIFT = For God so loved the world that HE gave His only begotten Son.

Sabbath was not given to "Man." It was given to *Israel.* But yes, Jesus is the beginning of the fulfillment of God's rest for Man. All may enter into him to benefit from his atonement for our sins. This will enable us to enter into final rest at his 2nd Coming.

 

[David in NJ]

Expose the lies my friend .
Expose the lies .
Had the other person actually read the bible for themselves
they would have seen MOSES actually was NOT ALLOWED TO SEE THE FACE OF GOD
but rather was hidden in the cleft of the rock , ONLY ALLOWED to see the very very most hindermost parts of GOD .
folks are not reading them bibles . THEY just picking and choosing certain verses and dont read THE WHOLE OF IT
for themselves . Expose it all my friend . This lamb , by grace has stayed dug in that bible for many years now
every day . TIME Folks BIBLE UP is all i can say . FOR MANY do not know how to rightly divide anything these days .

Anything that seeks to be of greater importance then CHRIST = is not important

 

[Ziggy]

This will enable us to enter into final rest at his 2nd Coming.

I don't see this final rest as coming.. I see it as here now.
ok...
God gave creation a rest. God didn't create anything new on the seventh day.
The we have the eigth day which is circumcision, cuttin off.
What was cut off on the eighth day? Man because he sinned against God.
But the eighth day and the first day are the same day.
So one day man is cut off and on the same day he is reconciled.
And this sign was given to Abraham because he believed God and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

So God ended his work and the son came to finish the works, and Paul says he is sent to fill up what is lacking, and we are sent to follow in his footsteps and do the works that he did and greater than these.

What works?

God set out a plan and Jesus came and fulfilled the plan. Jesus gave us a plan and now we have to fulfill his plan.
And what is His plan?
That we Love God and Love our neighbor as ourselves.

Another word I found for Sabbath is intermission.
The time between the end of this week and the beginning of the next.
Or the time between the last day and the first day.
That was the day Jesus was in the tomb... resting. But he really wasn't was he?
He was preaching to the spirits held captive..
So what exactly was God doing on the seventh day?

God don't sleep, so we know he was doing something. Preparing for Salvation maybe?
Preperation day..

just thinking..
hugs

 

[Randy Kluth]

I don't see this final rest as coming.. I see it as here now.
ok...
God gave creation a rest. God didn't create anything new on the seventh day.
The we have the eigth day which is circumcision, cuttin off.
What was cut off on the eighth day? Man because he sinned against God.
But the eighth day and the first day are the same day.
So one day man is cut off and on the same day he is reconciled.
And this sign was given to Abraham because he believed God and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

Well, that sure is strange logic--some kind of Kabbalistic interpretation?

We were talking about God's Rest. He rested from His work in creation. And Israel could rest every 7 days, as well as any time God brought them into a period of rest from their enemies. But Hebrews says that there remains a rest for those who are looking forward to it.

So God ended his work and the son came to finish the works, and Paul says he is sent to fill up what is lacking, and we are sent to follow in his footsteps and do the works that he did and greater than these.

We enter into Christ, spiritually, and therefore rest from any work that had to be done preliminary to his atonement. But now, as you indicate, we enter into his work of preaching the Gospel to the world. Since he was taken up early in his life and was only one man, we can do greater works when we live longer and act collectively as a Church.

What works?

God set out a plan and Jesus came and fulfilled the plan. Jesus gave us a plan and now we have to fulfill his plan.
And what is His plan?
That we Love God and Love our neighbor as ourselves.

Yes, and set that brotherly love as an example to the world, supporting the overall mission of witnessing to the whole world.

Another word I found for Sabbath is intermission.
The time between the end of this week and the beginning of the next.
Or the time between the last day and the first day.
That was the day Jesus was in the tomb... resting. But he really wasn't was he?
He was preaching to the spirits held captive..
So what exactly was God doing on the seventh day?

To be honest I can't say I fully understand the passage in Peter.

God don't sleep, so we know he was doing something. Preparing for Salvation maybe?
Preperation day..

just thinking..
hugs

I sometimes engage in Kabbalism myself, but can't get hold of anything here. Sorry.

 

[Brakelite]

So somebody isn't telling the truth.
Either Jesus is lying saying no man hath seen God at any time, or Moses is lying saying he spoke to God face to face.

Despite the objections of one here, it seems Ziggy is correct...
KJV Exodus 33:11
11 And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle
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And yes Zig, Jesus said no-one has seen God at any time. Both statements are correct. Moses was coming have to face with heaven's Mediator, the Son of God before He became flesh. Jesus was talking about His Father, that no-one has seen.

When and for what reason were laws of a ceremonial or typical nature introduced?
They were introduced after man had sinned, and were instituted because God in mercy provided a plan of redemption or a remedial system. "And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord. And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering." Gen. 4:3, 4. "By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts." Heb. 11:4.
NOTE: The excellence of Abel's offering lays in the fact that he offered blood, which fitly typified the sacrifice of the promised Redeemer, and was the true expression of faith in Him. But the law of sacrifices, which was the central pillar in the typical or ceremonial system, would not have been enjoined upon men, had not sin made a Redeemer necessary, and had not such Redeemer been provided. This, therefore, was a derived or secondary law, brought in with the plan of salvation, and owing its existence to the presence of sin; while the moral law may be called a primary or original law, inasmuch as it existed before sin came into the world, grows out of the relation which all creatures sustain to their Maker and to one another, and would have continued just the same if sin had never come into the world. Thus the line of distinction between the two laws is immutably established, in their origin, the circumstance to which they owe their existence, their nature and the purposes they were respectively to subserve.

Love this clear and precise explanation. But most, if not all, are so filled with hatred and carnal enmity toward the Sabbath, they can never obey God's laws, as Romans said, they will never be in harmony with it. They can read all the posts above loudly proclaiming God's word in clear simple lines in answer to their questions and challenges, yet their pride and stubbornness prevents them from repenting off their blindness. They claim to see. But don't. And have no shame in presenting lies and fables to cause others to stumble. "If they speak not according to this law, there is no light in them".
The proof of their willful blindness lies in their repeating of the same old excuses and human reasoning that have been answered. For example. What do they mean when they quote the world of Jesus, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not mam for the Sabbath". What do they think to prove by this verse? What dot hey think it is saying? How can this verse speak in defense of their cause that the 4th commandment is now invalid?

 

[Ziggy]

Well, that sure is strange logic--some kind of Kabbalistic interpretation?

We were talking about God's Rest. He rested from His work in creation. And Israel could rest every 7 days, as well as any time God brought them into a period of rest from their enemies. But Hebrews says that there remains a rest for those who are looking forward to it.

We enter into Christ, spiritually, and therefore rest from any work that had to be done preliminary to his atonement. But now, as you indicate, we enter into his work of preaching the Gospel to the world. Since he was taken up early in his life and was only one man, we can do greater works when we live longer and act collectively as a Church.

Yes, and set that brotherly love as an example to the world, supporting the overall mission of witnessing to the whole world.

To be honest I can't say I fully understand the passage in Peter.

I sometimes engage in Kabbalism myself, but can't get hold of anything here. Sorry.

I don't know what Kabbalism is. I have enough to learn with Christianity.
:)

Gen 2:2
And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

So it doesn't say God ended his work on the sixth day and then rested on the seventh.
He ended his work on the seventh day he rested ON the seventh day.
And because he rested on it, he blessed it and sanctified it because IN it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Is their a significance between resting on and resting in?

Sounds like.. Lean on me. Believe in me.

So we have, the evening and the morning was the sixth day. And God saw everything he had made and it was very good.

Gen 2:1
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

God created a Kingdom we call earth. And then God created man to have dominion over it.

God's work was done.

So what happened on the seventh day? Adam and Eve who's dominion the earth's was, chose to listen to the creature rather than the creator. They should of been resting, however, God's work was done and Man's dominion had begun.
Jesus came to save the world. And his work was to redeem it from it's fallen state.
And Jesus worked even on the sabbath days to heal and to bring man back on the right path.
What is the right path. Living under God's grace.
Before the fall there was no work for Adam and Eve other than to bare fruit and multiply.
They was to tend and dress the garden.

Gen 2:4
These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
Gen 2:5
And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
Gen 2:6
But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
so six days are six generations. Each day is a generation in creation. in the day.
Everything was ready, all we needed was water to make the garden grow,

A mist went up from the earth.
So looking at the mist:
Act 13:11
And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand.
2Pe 2:17
These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.

Deu 16:6
But at the place which the LORD thy God shall choose to place his name in, there thou shalt sacrifice the passover at even, at the going down of the sun, at the season that thou camest forth out of Egypt.

Act 9:15
But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

There was not a man to till the ground...

1Co 3:5
Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
1Co 3:6
I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
1Co 3:7
So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
1Co 3:8
Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

So God took the man from the dust of the earth and breathed into him the breath of life.
And the evening (void of understanding, darkness) and the morning ( mercy and truth) was the first day and the sixth day.

God created the heaven and the earth and the evening and the morning was the first day.
God created man and put him in the garden and the evening and the morning was the sixth day.

Behold everything has become new.

And God saw everything he had made and it was very good.

Then comes the seventh day. There is no evening and no morning in it. It is just DAY. There is only Light.

God went back to his Kingdom. Jesus went back to the Father's kingdom.
We are to be with them in their Kingdom.

Adam's earth brought forth thorns and thistles. Paul's earth brings forth good fruit.
Why?
Because Adam chose to listen to the serpent and Paul chose to listen to God.

And what did Jesus say he was going back to do?
I go to prepare a place for you so that where I am you can be also.
If it were not so I would of told you.

This is the 1000 years as a day reign with Christ in his kingdom which God set Paul over to tend and keep it.

This is the intermission between when Satan is bound and satan is released for a short time.

This is the age of Grace before sin is allowed to reign again for a short time.

It's a clean slate.

I will send another comforter in my name.
As the days of Noah. In the days when the ark was preparing.
1Pe 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

just thinking..
hugs

 

[BarneyFife]

What do they mean when they quote the words of Jesus, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not mam for the Sabbath". What do they think to prove by this verse? What dot hey think it is saying? How can this verse speak in defense of their cause that the 4th commandment is now invalid?

It is, at once, interesting and frightening that to some this very text has often brought conviction which actually manifests itself in a sudden change of facial expression, but today it increasingly emboldens others in defiant and open rebellion, while proudly taking upon their lips the name of Him against whom they are hopefully unwittingly rebelling.

Never have I seen the Word of God so glaringly used by Christians to represent the very opposite of what it says.

Never have I seen the signs of the times so clearly as I do today. Yesterday, I saw a very prominent Seventh-day Adventist stand on stage and almost mockingly claim that there exists no separation of church and state in the US constitution. You probably wouldn't need to strain very hard to guess who it is.

The final movements are rapidly passing.

I wonder what those who so proudly think to impeach the 4th commandment entirely will think when they suddenly realize they are being forced to choose between one that promises to save their hides and another that some are keeping because they believe "we ought to obey God rather than men" (Acts 5:29).

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[Ziggy]

Does the Sabbath represent a time of "waiting" ...

Pro 8:34
Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.

Luk 8:40
And it came to pass, that, when Jesus was returned, the people gladly received him: for they were all waiting for him.

Rom 8:23
And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

1Co 1:7
So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:

2Th 3:5
And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ.

Psa 27:14
Wait on the LORD: be of good courage, and he shall strengthen thine heart: wait, I say, on the LORD.

Mic 7:7
Therefore I will look unto the LORD; I will wait for the God of my salvation: my God will hear me.

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bbl