Why I'm NOT a Christian. - Or so they say...

[Behold]

I'm a Christian Universalist.

I'd say you are this version.. according to your Threads and Posts

""Liberal Christian Universalism views the Bible as an imperfect human document containing divine revelations, is not necessarily Trinitarian, and often downplays or rejects blood atonement theology""

And here is another issue with "CU".

Its the fact that Jesus Said.....>"You MUST be born again">..

So, that is signifying that if you are not........then you are NOT a Christian and will not go to Heaven after you die.
So, this "born again".. has to happen on EARTH, as you can't be born again, after you die.
Therefore Christian Universalism , this cult theology, allows for everyone to eventually become a Christian, after they die, even if they were not born again on earth.
So, that is a Cross Rejecting Lie.
Christian Universalism, is a "doctrine of Devils".... Hebrews 13:9... a man made false theology.

 

[St. SteVen]

@St. SteVen ...what do you make of all these testimonies, where people say they had died for a few seconds or minutes, then met with Jesus?

Then came back to life, thousands of testimonies out there like that, just wondered what your views were on the matter?

That's a very interesting subject.
There are conflicting testimonies which lead many to dismiss Near-Death-Experiences (NDEs).
But there were many common elements that I noticed.

I detailed out some of my thoughts in post #119 of the link below.

What sort of death did A&E die in the day they ate thereof?

--- SUMMARY STATEMENT --- I launched this topic with a specific aim in mind. The answer to the topic title question. But was mostly met with figurative blank stares as respondents seemed puzzled about my conclusion. The answer seemed obvious to me and I had never really had to prove it to...

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[St. SteVen]

That's a very interesting subject.
There are conflicting testimonies which lead many to dismiss Near-Death-Experiences (NDEs).
But there were many common elements that I noticed.

Here's a good summary statement of my position.

In our current state, we have a physical body inhabited by our spirit person which is identified as an individual soul.

1 Thessalonians 5:23 NIV
May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through.
May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

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[Behold]

May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless

@St. SteVen ...You should try to explain how each person becomes "'blameless"", initially, when ""all have sinned and there is non righteous, no not one"".

 

[St. SteVen]

You are?
Well thanks for letting us know.

So, that explains why your theology is so Anti-NT.. ,and your attitude toward the bible is so "rejecting", according to your Threads and posts.

Listen, ,
If everyone goes to Heaven, then why would John 3:36 be in the New Testament.

And If Everyone Goes to heaven, then that means people who never believed in Jesus, and were never were never born again, get to go to Heaven, still in their SIN.
Yet, being born again is the REASON the BELIEVER, becomes in Spiritual Union with God, and "In Christ", as their sin is Forgiven.

Unbelievers , never born again, are still in there sin, unforgiven......and you are teaching and believe that these SINNERS, who have never trusted in Christ, will end up with God along with the Born again....

That will never happen. @St. SteVen ..

Let me show you main 2 reason why....

1.) There is no sin found in Heaven, and a SINNER never forgiven, still has theirs.......so, they won't be going to Heaven.

2.) Being born again, is to become a Son-Daughter of GOD< .... by Spiritual Birth, and unless that happens, then the person remains here.


1.) = Jesus Said..."YOU>... are of YOUR FATHER.. the DEVIL.. and the lusts of YOUR FATHER, you shall do"".

See that one @St. SteVen ?? That spiritual child of the devil, is not a Son-Daughter of God, so, they wont be going to heaven, as God is not their Spiritual Father.

Too bad we can't have a reasonable discussion about this. (sigh)

The scripture reference you cited (see below) assumes
there are only two kinds of individuals.
1) Those who believe in the Son.
2) Those who reject the Son.

This assumes that everyone will have the opportunity to believe in the Son.
Can you tell me when that will take place? (see Philippians 2:10-11)

John 3:36 NIV
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life,
but whoever rejects the Son will not see life,
for God’s wrath remains on them.

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[St. SteVen]

If everyone goes to Heaven, then why would John 3:36 be in the New Testament.

If Christian Universalism is true, what's the point in evangelism?

What's the point of evangelism if everyone will automatically be saved? These two questions show a common misunderstanding about Christian Universalism. (Universal Reconciliation, Universal Restoration, Ultimate Redemption, UR) These quotes are from the website Universalist Musings. "When...

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1.) There is no sin found in Heaven, and a SINNER never forgiven, still has theirs.......so, they won't be going to Heaven.

How did you arrive at this conclusion?

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[Behold]

Too bad we can't have a reasonable discussion about this. (sigh)

I never have any positive thing to say about the heresy itself., so if this stings the person teaching the heresy, then that is exactly right, as they are trying to deceive real believers, and that is not the deed of a person who understands Christianity.
That is the deed of a heretic.

Also, You and i can have any discussion, regarding any topic... you would be interested in having.

1) Those who believe in the Son.
2) Those who reject the Son.

Yes.

And that is the same as saying..>>>"Saved or Lost"... "Christian, or not". "Heaven bound or not". "Believer or unbeliever"..

See, when discussing Christianity, those are the eternal sign posts.

= "Did you Trust in Christ and become born again before you died............ "or not".

Christianity, is strictly Black and White, regarding how to go to heaven, or why you wont.

"The Gift of Salvation" is THE "narrow Way".

= John 14:6

This assumes that everyone will have the opportunity to believe in the Son.
Can you tell me when that will take place?

Only God would know according to his "foreknowledge", who is going to be born, and then Trust in Christ, or not Trust in Christ, before they die.

I can't know that, about all human beings.
Only God would know that final answer.

The only thing i Know is that God wants everyone to Come to Jesus and receive "the Gift of Salvation".

John 3:36 NIV
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life,

Yes, ... See, "eternal Life" is Jesus Himself.. so, when the person is forgiven their sin, once they Give God their faith in Christ , then God's Holy Spirit birth's the spirit of the Believer into the Holy Spirit of God........as "ONE with God". = born.........again.


And this is to become born again "IN Christ" = who is Eternal Life.

That's how you get it., you are born again to receive it, by becoming "one with God". and "In Christ"

Jesus said...>>"All that believe in me, i given unto you/them.. ETENAL LIFE, and you shall never go to Hell (perish)..""

John said that the Born again can "KNOW you have eternal life and this LIFE is IN His SON"...

So when you are "IN HIS SON".. as born again "IN Christ".. you now have Eternal life, and you can KNOW IT.

but whoever rejects the Son will not see life,
for God’s wrath remains on them.

Yes...
See, Jesus said.>"if you dont believe that I am the Messiah, the Savior, then you shall die in your sins"

So, that means you died UNFORGIVEN... and that is now become ONE Etenal SIN..

= The Unpardonable SIN... as that is "willfully rejecting Christ"... and you're never born again. .So, when you do that, then "there remainth no more sacrifice for your sin""""... because you have rejected JESUS who is the only sacrifice for your sin, that God offers.

That is the (unpardonable sin) of dying never forgiven all your sin....... and now you can't ever be forgiven...., as you can only be forgiven by trusting in Christ, when you were alive.
See, Jesus died for the sin of the World on the EARTH..........His Cross was raised and He died on it, on the earth.
Not in eternity.
Not in Hell.
But on the EARTH.. where you are BREATHING.........so, you "must be born again".. Jesus said....on the EARTH, or you will never be born again, at all.

So, the wrath of God that is ON all unbelievers......REMAINS on them, for as Long as God lives.

= Eternal Damnation.......is the wrath of God, that is Everlasting, and its on all Christ Rejectors, who were never born again, and died.

Its on them right now... and when you trust in Christ, the wrath of God, is removed....and damnation is Resolved.

Welcome to : Salvation..

"Its a GIFT"... "the GIFT of Salvation".

 

[Carl Emerson]

Can you tell me when that will take place? (see Philippians 2:10-11)

After Judgement.

 

[St. SteVen]

After Judgement.

Ha, ha. Very funny.

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[Carl Emerson]

Ha, ha. Very funny.

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Can you explain why ???

 

[Jack]

Lambano said:
When I'm with you, I'm happy.
When you're with me, you're gay.
- Peter Alsop, Hopelessly Heterosexual

Thanks for the link.
I had not heard the song before, and I liked his discussion of the subject.
It echoes my own feelings about it. It's not the black and white issue some CHOOSE to make it.
I was very transparent about how I arrived at my position on the subject in the OP of the topic:

WWJD with LGBTQ?

Christians tend to treat LGBTQ as if it is a singular thing. It's not. It's a very complex subject that the church has, for the most part, swept under the rug. Those who have stepped up to be inclusive have taken the heat for it. And there is even a broad spectrum of how inclusion can play out...

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Jack seems to think that "informing" them that they are hell-bound should snap them out of it. (sigh)
As if what they are going through is just a day dream to be awakened from.

The discussion by Alsop after the song shared at NOMAS (?) reminded me of a denomination conference I attended.
One of the speakers addressed the issue of witnessing to homosexuals. He had a breakout session that was well attended.
Having come out of a gay lifestyle himself, he had a lot of good insights. It helped me to gain some sensitivity to the issue.
The session was attended primarily by men. And I remember the uncomfortable looks as everyone seemed to be
scanning the audience trying to figure out who was gay and who was straight. - LOL

The bulldozer approach that Jack is suggesting drives people away from Jesus.
I have launched a few forum topics on the subject and have suffered plenty of abuse for it.

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Christians pull gays out of the fire. You lead them to the fire.

 

[Jack]

Jack says:

Yet he only quotes one chapter reference.

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Revelation 21:8
All liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone,

 

[Carl Emerson]

Romans 1:27
and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
1 Thessalonians 2:3
For our exhortation does not come from error or impurity or by way of deceit;
James 5:20
let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.
2 Peter 2:
17 These are springs without water and mists driven by a storm, for whom the black darkness has been reserved. speaking out arrogant words of vanity they entice by fleshly desires, by sensuality, those who barely escape from the ones who live in error,
2 Peter 3:17
You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness,
I1 John 4:6
We are from God; he who knows God listens to us; he who is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.

 

[St. SteVen]

New topic.

Little know fact about Apollos.

Some quick Wiki research indicates that he knew only of the Baptism of John. (initially) Acts 18:24-26 NIV Meanwhile a Jew named Apollos, a native of Alexandria, came to Ephesus. He was a learned man, with a thorough knowledge of the Scriptures. 25 He had been instructed in the way of the Lord...

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