Why I hate the Bible... Or so they say?

[MA2444]

I didn't claim that the Bible is valueless. I said it isn't a replacement for God. (idol)
Nor did I say that I can't hear the voice of God. Remember my testimony from 8 years old?
God spoke to me at a young age. @amadeus had a similar experience at 6 years of age.
Did God want us to have a Bible, or listen to Him directly instead? (cut out the blundering middlemen)

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8 years old? Are you saying that you havent heard the voice of the Lord since you were 8?

Yours sounds like excuses for being lazy. How has the Spirit of the Lord been teaching you all these years if you cant hear Him? I have to presume, He hasnt?...??

 

[MA2444]

Dont you even try to hear the voice of the Lord? When you do read the bible, can you not hear Him? Or maybe you just aint sure who's talking in your head?

How many different voices do we have in our heads? That inner dialogue...? Surely you dont think that is all you, do you?

We have the still small voice of the Lord in our head, we have our soul in our head (Mind/will/emotions), we have the voice of our heart on our head, we have the voice of the flesh in our head, and the enemy can whisper things to you and put thoughts and temptations into your head. And our Spirit has a voice, and our conscience has a voice (which might be the spirit I'm not sure). So there's 7 voices right there in our heads. Can you tell who's talking when they talk? (I can! I've been paying attention!)

Our heart thinks like a brain you know. And it speaks. Scripture backs this up. Out of the abundance of the heart them mouth speaks. Even Science says now that the heart has greater brain capacity to think than our brain does. (Heartmath.org), but I digress.

I think there's more bad guy voices than good guys in the head? Evil spirits, the carnal man, the flesh man (eat that! Take that woman, THAT guy!)the enemy. All the flesh man wants is what satiates the sense with things on earth in the material world. Our spirit talks directly with the Holy Spirit so when the good wolf speaks it's always advised to do it his way! .

 

[St. SteVen]

8 years old? Are you saying that you havent heard the voice of the Lord since you were 8?

No, I'm not saying that.
I was reminding you of a testimony you may have read.

You seem to read the worst into everything I post.

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[MA2444]

No, I'm not saying that.
I was reminding you of a testimony you may have read.

You seem to read the worst into everything I post.

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Which testimony? Mine?

Maybe I do that because all of your threads seem to have some sort of negative spin to them? I think I just got used to it?

 

[amadeus]

I didn't claim that the Bible is valueless. I said it isn't a replacement for God. (idol)
Nor did I say that I can't hear the voice of God. Remember my testimony from 8 years old?
God spoke to me at a young age. @amadeus had a similar experience at 6 years of age.
Did God want us to have a Bible, or listen to Him directly instead? (cut out the blundering middlemen)

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Indeed, at 6, I was baptized and for the first time in my memory I knew God. At the age of 10 I had another experience with God although I did not yet own... nor had I ever read, a Bible. I started reading the Bible when I was 32 years old. I read it daily now and would never give it up. However, I cannot forget nor would I ever discount my earlier experiences. What a mighty God we serve!

 

[JohnDB]

Nonsense. I don't hate the Bible... Or do I?

I do hate the misuse. And I warn about Bibliolatry.
I'm concerned about inflated (and false) claims about the book.
And the general ignorance about where the Bible came from.
Caused by a church that has suppressed the truth about it.
Probably because they think we would leave the church if we really knew.

Discussion questions:
1) What is the best reason to love the Bible?
2) What concerns do you have about the misuse of the Bible?
3) On a scale of 1 to 10 (low to high) how much do you know about where the Bible came from?
4) Thoughts on inerrancy and inspiration. ??? Of the original manuscripts, or our English translations?

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1) God's gift and Word for us.
2)none, people always find a way to license evil
3) 10
4) Too many to write here....Chicago Statement on Inerrancy is a good starter. 2Tim3:16 for inspiration. English is the WORST Receptor language for most donor languages. Hebrew is the worst Donor language for all languages to be translated into. Consequently it's not an exacting science. But that doesn't mean that it can't be done. Isogogics are crucial for a more complete understanding.

 

[Rockerduck]

4. It doesnt matter what Translation you have because when you open the book and begin to read the Holy Spirit manifests and teaches you. The Bible is inerrant You have a tutor in the Holy Spirit, so those people who wont read it will be there on that the day of the GWTJ and the Lord will say, how is you do not know these things,? I gave you the Book of Truth AND a Tutor so you have no excuse. Well Lord you see some guy said there was mistakes in it so I figured I couldnt trust it....(Yikes!)

Hey my friend, it sure matters what translation you use. Remember that TNIV you had. I've only found the KJV to be inerrant. Check out what I found about the NKJV. Isaiah 9:3

• Thou hast multiplied the nation, and not increased the joy before thee according to the joy in harvest, and as men rejoice when they divide the spoil. (KJV)
• You have multiplied the nation and increased its joy; they rejoice before You according to the joy of harvest, as men rejoice when they divide the spoil. (NKJV)

That's just one.

 

[St. SteVen]

Hey my friend, it sure matters what translation you use. Remember that TNIV you had. I've only found the KJV to be inerrant. Check out what I found about the NKJV. Isaiah 9:3

• Thou hast multiplied the nation, and not increased the joy before thee according to the joy in harvest, and as men rejoice when they divide the spoil. (KJV)
• You have multiplied the nation and increased its joy; they rejoice before You according to the joy of harvest, as men rejoice when they divide the spoil. (NKJV)

That's just one.

The word "not" seems to be in the Hebrew. But does it make sense in English?
What was increased, or not?
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[Rockerduck]

The word "not" seems to be in the Hebrew. But does it make sense in English?
What was increased, or not? View attachment 50207
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Because they were multiplied, there was not joy. The Israelites didn't care if there was more of them, only the joy of the harvest and plunder (dividing the spoils).

 

[St. SteVen]

Because they were multiplied, there was not joy. The Israelites didn't care if there was more of them, only the joy of the harvest and plunder (dividing the spoils).

Wouldn't that make the NKJV a better translation? Or am I missing something here?

• Thou hast multiplied the nation, and not increased the joy before thee according to the joy in harvest, and as men rejoice when they divide the spoil. (KJV)
• You have multiplied the nation and increased its joy; they rejoice before You according to the joy of harvest, as men rejoice when they divide the spoil. (NKJV)

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[Rockerduck]

Wouldn't that make the NKJV a better translation? Or am I missing something here?

• Thou hast multiplied the nation, and not increased the joy before thee according to the joy in harvest, and as men rejoice when they divide the spoil. (KJV)
• You have multiplied the nation and increased its joy; they rejoice before You according to the joy of harvest, as men rejoice when they divide the spoil. (NKJV)

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I have found that over the years of using the NKJ and other translations, the KJV has always been proven right, and stand alone most of the time. I see the same Greek texts repeated in all the translations but not in the KJV.
Hebrews 2:16 -

• For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. (KJV)
• For indeed He does not give aid to angels, but He does give aid to the seed of Abraham. (NKJV)

This is strange.

 

[Behold]

Nonsense. I don't hate the Bible... Or do I?

Well, you've posted many Threads and many posts that would claim "issues" with the bible.

Have you ever posted a Thread that showed any Love for the Word of God?

Did we miss that one?

So, if we "know them by their Fruit", id say yours is well known. @St. SteVen

 

[Rockerduck]

I have found that over the years of using the NKJ and other translations, the KJV has always been proven right, and stand alone most of the time. I see the same Greek texts repeated in all the translations but not in the KJV.
Hebrews 2:16 -

• For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. (KJV)
• For indeed He does not give aid to angels, but He does give aid to the seed of Abraham. (NKJV)

This is strange.

By the way, now read Hebrews 2:17 in any translation and it matches Hebrews 2:16 KJV perfectly.

 

[Lambano]

I have found that over the years of using the NKJ and other translations, the KJV has always been proven right, and stand alone most of the time. I see the same Greek texts repeated in all the translations but not in the KJV.
Hebrews 2:16 -

• For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. (KJV)
• For indeed He does not give aid to angels, but He does give aid to the seed of Abraham. (NKJV)

This is strange.

The words "the nature" are not in the original Greek. So, it comes down to how you translate epilambanomai, Strong's G1949:

1. to lay hold of or to seize upon anything with the hands, to take hold of, lay hold of
2. metaph. to rescue one from peril, to help, succour

If you choose definition 1, you have to add extra words (like "the nature") to explain what's being seized or taken hold of. If you choose definition 2, you might ask why angels would need to be rescued in the first place, but since the point is that it's the seed of Abraham who's being rescued, it makes more sense than trying to guess what the author thought was being seized.

 

[Rockerduck]

It comes down to how you translate epilambanomai, Strong's G1949:

1. to lay hold of or to seize upon anything with the hands, to take hold of, lay hold of
2. metaph. to rescue one from peril, to help, succour

If you choose definition 1, you have to add extra words that aren't in the Greek (like "the nature") to explain what's being seized or taken hold of. If you choose definition 2, you may have the question of why angels might need to be rescued in the first place, but since the seed of Abraham is who's being rescued, it works out okay.

Hebrews 2:16 in the KJV says Jesus took on the seed of Abraham. Hebrews 2:17 says Jesus wanted to be like His brethren (the seed of Abraham). These two verses fit like a glove in the KJV, not so with all other translations.

 

[Lambano]

Hebrews 2:16 in the KJV says Jesus took on the seed of Abraham. Hebrews 2:17 says Jesus wanted to be like His brethren (the seed of Abraham). These two verses fit like a glove in the KJV, not so with all other translations.

He had to be like his brothers in order to rescue them? That flows just fine.

 

[IndianaRob]

I have found that over the years of using the NKJ and other translations, the KJV has always been proven right, and stand alone most of the time. I see the same Greek texts repeated in all the translations but not in the KJV.
Hebrews 2:16 -

• For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. (KJV)
• For indeed He does not give aid to angels, but He does give aid to the seed of Abraham. (NKJV)

This is strange.

Check this one out.

Micah 5:2

New International Version
2 “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,​

though you are small among the clans[a]of Judah,
out of you will come for me
one who will be ruler over Israel,
whose origins are from of old,
from ancient times.”

 

[Rockerduck]

Check this one out.

Micah 5:2​

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New International Version​

2 “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,​

though you are small among the clans[a]of Judah,
out of you will come for me
one who will be ruler over Israel,
whose origins are from of old,
from ancient times.”

That's why I don't use the NIV. lol. There is a boatload of translation "mistakes" in the NIV.

Revelation 22:16 KJV - I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Isaiah 14:12 NIV
How you have fallen from heaven,
morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!
Isaiah 14:12 KJV
How art thou fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
how art thou cut down to the ground,
which didst weaken the nations!

 

[St. SteVen]

That's why I don't use the NIV. lol. There is a boatload of translation "mistakes" in the NIV.

Like the KJO "missing verses" scam?

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[Jack]

Lots of self professed Bible language experts, attacking our Bible!