jeremiah1five said:
Why I believe God created Adam sin-ful:
There is only one God.
The Biblical definition of sin is literally, "to miss the mark."
What is the "mark?"
The glory [and perfection] of God.
Since God cannot reduplicate Himself in Himself, Adam's creation fell short of the glory of God. This is the reason why Adam disobeyed God in the command to not eat of the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. The eating of the fruit did not change the nature of Adam, he did not undergo any metamorphosis change to his nature (meaning he did not change from "good" to "evil"), but since he was created sin-ful, or missing the mark of the glory of God, he sinned. The Second Adam, Christ, proved this. Sin does not originate from holy. Sin does not originate from righteousness. Again, the Second Adam proved this.
If indeed God created Adam "missing the mark" of the glory of God (God cannot reduplicate Himself in Himself), which is what I believe, then the question becomes "How can a righteous God create and unrighteous being (Adam)? It would be inconsistent with the nature of God to do this. But He did it. He was able to create an unrighteous being (Adam) because God made atonement in Himself before He created heaven, earth, man, and the realm of TIME in which to create a man, and from this man, take out a people to Himself.
Revelation 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
As all three members of the Trinity of God was directly involved in the creation of heaven and earth, so, too, is the Trinity of God directly involved in the creation of the new man in Christ. And because of this group God ordained to eternal life whose names are in the book of life of the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world, the long-suffering of God waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God before Him in TIME in order to birth His people that He may directly provide deliverance to them. God knows the end from the beginning because He has ordained the end.
There is only One God. Adam was not holy, nor in standing before a holy God, was Adam innocent, nor righteous. He was not God. There is only One God. Adam was created fallen short of the glory of God, because again, there is only One holy, righteous, and omnipotent God. It was the only way God could create Adam for God cannot reduplicate Himself in Himself. Nor does sin come from holy. The Second Adam, who did no sin, neither was guile found in His mouth, did no sin because He was holy, and righteous, and innocent. But the first Adam did sin because it was his nature to sin. Adam only did what his sin-ful nature dictated he do, that is, disobey God.
Isn't Paul correct when he said:
1 Timothy 1:9
9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers...
There was a law in the Garden of Eden which is found here:
Genesis 2:17
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Adam sinned because he was created sin-ful, or as the word means, falling short of the glory of God. If the existence of the Law of God to do or not do a thing, and the existence of the Law reveals that we are sin-ful, the existence of a "Thou shalt not" is a restriction God placed on Adam to not eat of the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. The commands of the LORD are Law, and the Law of the LORD are commands. There is no distinction. The apostle Paul said:
Romans 7:7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Paul said: "I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet." The same reasoning applies to Adam: Adam had not known disobedience except the Law said, thou shalt not eat of it.
Sin comes from sinfulness. Holy comes from holiness. The Last Adam. Jesus Christ, proved this.
There is only One God.
And that is why I believe God created Adam (man) sin-ful.
Adam was created in the image(attributes) of God and was supposed to live forever as long as he remained "ALIVE" meaning walking in the Spirit of God who was his protection and provider.
Only once Adam was defiled by woman, meaning chose to please his wife instead of obey God, did Adam spiritually die. The Spirit of God left them and instead of Adam coming to God to repent, they HID from God.
Adam and Eve had no children until after the fall, because they had no reproductive organs that is why they were naked but unashamed. Only after they became spiritually dead God covered their "NAKEDNESS/SIN" by giving them skin with reproductive organs now being in their fleshly nature.
Up until that time God created man, but now in their fleshly lusts as animals, Eve was sentenced under the curse to BIRTH children in her own body from now on WITH PAIN.
God is restoring all things to the way that it was in the BEGINNING and our children are not necessarily our flesh children unless they are reborn from above. For it is the spiritual children that we birth for the kingdom in Christ rather they are the 5 yr old in our home or the 50 yr old that lives down the street that we brought to Christ, these will be considered our children. Flesh and blood nature can not inherit the kingdom of God for they are yet carnal being led of the lustful desires to kill, steal and destroy.
You will notice that when they had SETH, that he was not born in the image of God (even though Adam at first had been), but in the image and likeness of fallen Adam. Able was no more because Cain killed him and Cain who was a spiritual son of the devil, being the son of perdition, was cast out of God's presence and they mentioned him no more.
In the new covenant God says no longer will the children suffer for the father's sin and vice versa, but now the soul that sinneth it shall die says God. So we must be sure to teach our small children of God's Word to instill morals and integrity and good character in them to save them while they are teachable and in our care, for when they pass the year of accountability they are not so easy to teach the truth and are not the children of God for they still walk in the way of the Wicked One and we and they suffer the consequences of their CAPTIVITY.
I know, for I did not know God when my children were at home under my guidance and now I suffer along with them because of MY lack of wisdom. I plead in prayer daily that God would give me another chance with them by opening their heart just a bit to listen to me. I do not ever pray for Him to just overlook their sins, for they have not repented and turned to Christ, I lift them up to God for THEIR OWN GOOD and OUT OF LOVE so that they will repent before it is too late!
They are good people as humans go, but far from God. Job lost his children because he thought just covering up their possible sins would save them. But what he needed to do was TEACH them how to not sin against God and raise them UP for their own good, not just allow them to stay as they are out of emotional fallen nature love by asking God to look the other way. Sin destroys us and sin must be eliminated so that we don't get ourselves to the state that we are in now in this day.
Notice that no one lived past 1 day after Adam sinned? We must remember that when God said in the DAY you that you eat you shall surely die, and they did die, to the Spirit of Life that day, but their flesh began to decay and none lived to see 1,000 yrs, which is 1Day to God.
Gen 5:1-3
5:1 This is the book of the
generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
3 And
Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
KJV
We are worthy to God when we spread His Word, the revelation of His Dear Son unto those around us to raise man righteous in the sight of God. If we withhold the TRUTH when in public arenas or with family and friends when we see evil being done, we only allow the devils strength to grow stronger. We must not be those who shrink back, to keep silent to keep ourselves from being persecuted for it, we must lay our life down for them and suffer with Christ to bring the TRUTH to their ears to maybe save a life.
Blessings
Ah! One more thing speaking of us be chosen in him and him being slain from the foundation of the world.
It is not talking about from the beginning when God created the world, it is talking about us NOW being chosen, many called, few chosen, to be being prepared, raised up in the womb of our mother heavenly Jerusalem from our birth(RE-BIRTH BORN AGAIN) being transformed into the image of Christ to learn to rule and reign with him in the NEW WORLD to come, being chosen before the foundation of the new heaven and new earth.
Yet all mankind who live on the earth must submit to Christ, the living Word of Truth if they want to really LIVE and not die.
