Why do you believe that, after death, it's too late for Jesus to save people?

[Eternally Grateful]

Anybody who thinks that Jesus tortures people forever CLEARLY does not know him.

Jesus does not torture people

He died for them, But they turned him down. It’s their fault not Gods. STOP BLAMING GOD!!!

 

[RedFan]

Sorry, but its the way I feel with the way you keep trying to answer me.

Lets go back to the beginning

you said

Focusing on the question, is it applicable ony to those who died before christ. My response was no, it is all inclusive.

Now unless you believe people were saved differently before Christ, and we are saved a different way today. I would hope you would have agreed with me, But you just keep arguing.. so I tried to take you into the two passages. But you continue to argue. So I am not sure what your looking for.



But your wrong, It does not say if you do this you will get X. It says those who get Y do X and those who do not get Y do not do X. It is a descriptive passage, not a prescriptive passage.

Those who have eternal life do good works. They do not sin. John repeats this very thing in his epistle when he said he who sins has never seen or known God. Those who are born of God do not live in sin..



Your right, no qualification is attached, they are decriptive. They describe the people who have eternal life. As apposed to those who do not


And I answered you. But you still are not getting to the origional question. Is salvation different today that it was before Christ. I answered. You have not responded to my answer of no it is not different, it is all inclusive.

No. Only if we falsly interpr3et it as it appears you are tryign to do by saying they are pre-requisites. We get eternal life beause we do good works. This is not found in scripture. At the least, if this is true, we are under law not grace

I feel disrespected. It's difficult to understand "Keep trying you may get it" any other way. And I don;t need to feel this way. So we should just stop.

 

[GodsGrace]

I would have to start with adding the three preceding verses in John 5 to the mix:

OK

24 Very truly, I tell you, anyone who hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life, and does not come under judgement, but has passed from death to life.

25 ‘Very truly, I tell you, the hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. 26 For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself; 27 and he has given him authority to execute judgement, because he is the Son of Man. 28 Do not be astonished at this; for the hour is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and will come out—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

I see v. 24 as addressed to those who are physically living,

Right. Absolutely.

v. 25 as addressed to the physically living but spiritually dead,

It's speaking about judgment.
Doesn't judgment come at the end of one's life?
Verses 22-23 are speaking to the future judgment?


Can't verses 25-27 be speaking about the dead that are released from Hades in Luke 15 The Rich Man and Lazarus...?

and v. 28-29 as addressed to those already physically dead. Those who while physically alive hear and receive and accept the voice of the Son of God have eternal life. Those already in their graves who never had that chance are judged by a different standard -- the goodness of wickedness of the lives they led.

I think we'll all be judged the same way (if we know about Christ).
From verse 22 it states that Jesus will judge and in all verses it seems to be based on behavior.

Will be reading some more different versions and will wait for your reply...
IF you have anything further to add...