Why do you believe that, after death, it's too late for Jesus to save people?
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Eternally Grateful
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Eternally Grateful
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But your wrong.
You can claim discernment all you want. You are missing in this situation. And I would highly suggest you stop puffing yourself up. It looks bad
Ritajanice
Born-Again
@NotTheRock said.
My apologies. I thank the Holy Spirit for giving me the gifts of understanding and discernment. One day you too will understand that God sent Jesus to fix and save ALL and that ALL will one day be in God's Kingdom.
RJ..Only a Born Again will see the Kingdom Of God ,do you believe everyone on earth when they die.will be Born Again will see the Kingdom Of God?
I must say it’s a wonderful thought.
My apologies. I thank the Holy Spirit for giving me the gifts of understanding and discernment. One day you too will understand that God sent Jesus to fix and save ALL and that ALL will one day be in God's Kingdom.
RJ..Only a Born Again will see the Kingdom Of God ,do you believe everyone on earth when they die.will be Born Again will see the Kingdom Of God?
I must say it’s a wonderful thought.
That's what the Bible says, but who cares what the Bible says? Few here do.
That's why it's fruitless to engage in doctrinal discussions. People only believe what they want to believe. Just stick to love God, obey God, and love one another. If others want to believe that Jesus is a sadist that created beings to hideously torture them forever, well, that's ok with me.
Eternally Grateful
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no the bible does not.
Jesus tells us when we will be born again, When we look to the cross. and believe in the work of Jesus.
He said those who do not believe are condemned.
Its not fruitless. Unless you are closed minded.
Same goes to you
He did nto create them to go to hell. He is not evil. He died to save them, and gave them every oportunity to repent.
However. I would say the person who claims God is evil might be evil themselves? Just saying, I would not want to stand in front of God after I have told the world what you just said.
If ones salvation is determined by a decision made after death.
Why is there so much emphasis on preaching, teaching, being baptised etc in this life?
If how we live in this life is important, is the place where decisions are made for or against Christ, then there is no second chance after death.
A 2nd point, all those people for whom church and Christianity are going to be in there version of he'll, compelled to worship what they hate !
Apparently God won't compell people to love him in this life, but after death they become worship robots reprogrammed to love God.
Why is there so much emphasis on preaching, teaching, being baptised etc in this life?
If how we live in this life is important, is the place where decisions are made for or against Christ, then there is no second chance after death.
A 2nd point, all those people for whom church and Christianity are going to be in there version of he'll, compelled to worship what they hate !
Apparently God won't compell people to love him in this life, but after death they become worship robots reprogrammed to love God.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
You have a lovely heart @NotTheRock ....wanting everyone ,when they die to be with Jesus, no one knows when the Spirit Of God will make us Born Of The Spirit,as His word says, we can’t see or know when he will bring us from death into his Sons life...only God knows,Brother,..I too pray that all will come to God, in Jesus Name,Amen!
By the way is that your dog?...what a little cutie, I love his/her pink heart.
From a distance it looks like a little bow tie.
By the way is that your dog?...what a little cutie, I love his/her pink heart.
From a distance it looks like a little bow tie.
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In what way have I misunderstood what you are saying?
Behold
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The reason a person can't be saved after they die a Christ rejecting unbeliever, never born again... is because they have died "in their SIN",.
Jesus said "if you dont believe im the Messiah (He), then you will die in Your SIN"...
So, that is a permanent eternal state of damnation, that is found here... John 3:36.... and it follows you after you die, as "the unpardonable sin".. having been committed.
What is that sin?
What is the unpardonable sin?
That is Hebrews 10.... "if you sin WILLFULLY, there remaineth no more Sacrifice for your sin"..
And that is not "pre-determined".. that is WILLFULLY....."Willful" "the CHOICE to die in unbelief", and God will honor that choice FOREVER, exactly as He will honor your free will choice to TRUST IN CHRIST, and become a "new Creation in Christ".
God does not "choose hell" for you, as Lying Calvinism teaches...
YOU CHOOSE IT., and God honors your choice.
Listen.., the Sacrifice of Jesus for your SIN, is valid only when you are ALIVE, as that is when you have not yet "died IN your Sin".
That is when you have not died having committed the "willful sin" of Rejecting Jesus, and are never born again.
That sin follows you after you leave your body.....reader.
Its a permanent Sin.
Its unforgivable, because you rejected Forgiveness....so, there is NONE FOUND FOR YOU< after you die..
Understand??
So, a person who is not born again, has never trusted in Christ, dies "IN their SIN".. whereas a person who has been born again, dies "IN CHRIST", and that means that Jesus has become their "sin Bearer"... and they have become "made righteous"... "forgiven"... "having received eternal Life".
Reader,
"Christ is the ONE TIME.... Eternal Sacrifice for Sin".. because..>>>"God, hath made JESUS... to BE SIN.... for us".
See that Reader?
And if Christ has not become your sin bearer then you die "in your sins" and that is to die in unbelief, never born again, and you died Separated from God... WILLFULLY << and that cannot be resolved in HELL< where you just ended up, as no one is born again in Hell.
God does not offer Jesus on the Cross to anyone in Hell.
God does not offer the Blood of Jesus for the forgiveness of your sin, once you are in Hell, as the reason you are in Hell, is because you "willfully rejected Christ", and died unforgiven.... = You committed the "unpardonable sin".
And here is something else...
Everyone who died today, and went to Hell, NOW BELIEVES IN JESUS... and they are all crying out to God that they BELIEVE...... and its TOO LATE, as you can't be saved in Hell.. You Can't be born again in Hell.
amigo de christo
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Exactly . I am sure this other guy is gonna try and remind us about
what peter wrote concerning the days of noah .
But remember they had NOT had the gospel preached to them .
Today many have heard and rejected and clung to their false religoins and mindsets .
GOD has chose how to save the world . And if a man rejects HIS PLAN , HIS CHRIST , they gonna reap
a nightmare unto themselves . But unto all who hear and call upon That lovely name , THEY shall be saved .
The life of the apostels , their whole mission was to preach the DIRE NEED to believe on JESUS the CHRIST .
seems this generation does everything to find a way to preach a mindset that entails its not necessary to have to believe .
How come the CHRIST JESUS himself made it so adamant about BELIEVING
and even warned what would occur to those who beleived not .
Paul and others did the same .
But today the message always tries to find a WAY around HAVING to BELEIVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
I will tell us all why . Because satan desires the death of all . And he will preach anything
to cause one to beleive a lie , NOT THE TRUTH .
It doesn't matter. We just need to love God and one another and the rest is unimportant.
Triumph1300
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True, to you the truth does not matter.
Actually teaching that people have a 2 nd chance to repent is very dangerous.
Jesus warned that those who caused his little ones to go astray, would be better of not being born.
Think about it.
Eternally Grateful
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amen!
saying they will get to heaven no matter what is akin to telling them they can live in sin all they want, it does nto matter. why repent and receive Christ if it does nto matter
Do you think Jesus will ask you to go into Hell with him to torture the bad people? Would you do so if Jesus asked you to cut off a man's testicles?
God is not in hell.
Hell is where God is not.
The torment suffered by those unfortunate enough to be there is the torment of knowing what they chose to reject and there regrets, if only I'd etc etc
Jesus told us to continue to forgive. Why do you believe that he won't follow his own commandment?
Forgiveness is a very big subject which you do not understand, or you would not have made this last post.
Forgiveness always starts with repentance.
Those in hell are in the state they died in, as rejectors of Jesus and cannot change.
If there is no repentance then there is no forgiveness, this is something taught throughout the bible.
It is how God forgave the israelites when they turned from their sins and sought him.
It is how Jesus saved us when we confessed our sins and recieved his forgiveness .
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