Why do the wise virgins not share their oil with the foolish virgins?

[rebuilder 454]

He did not use the word wedding, translations put the word in His mouth.
It is ---->Marriage banquet
If He would of said, wedding banquet, no one would have understood what He was saying.....
He could not have said, wedding banquet because at the time the word wedding did not exist.
No languge had the word wedding at that time. If you cannot grasp this, please move on and leave me alone.
If you refer to this again, all I am going to do is refer you to post 63.

The 2 words are exactly interchangeable.
It's like saying " I am right because the English word "wedding" did not ever exist in Greek.

If you are stuck on "marriage" over "wedding" then you are swallowing a camel and straining at a gnat.

Oh dear run for the hills, Jesus mispoke again because "camel" actually was pronounced " large beast with hump"

 

[rebuilder 454]

You showed be verses from some translation.....could care less.
I said the word wedding is not in the scriptures.
There a few words that appear in the translatons that are not in the scriptures.
We are debating an impossibility here…I am losing my patience.
If you are looking at the Greek word γάμος - Gamos
Gamos is a Greek word that means marriage. It comes from the Greek word gameîn, which means "to marry".

This is like the "superior" argument " the word "rapture" is nowhere in the Bible.
Neither is "tortillas" but they ate them regularly.

Pure rabbit trails into outer space.

 

[Grailhunter]

The 2 words are exactly interchangeable.
It's like saying " I am right because the English word "wedding" did not ever exist in Greek.

If you are stuck on "marriage" over "wedding" then you are swallowing a camel and straining at a gnat.

Oh dear run for the hills, Jesus mispoke again because "camel" actually was pronounced " large beast with hump"

The 2 words are exactly interchangeable.
It's like saying " I am right because the English word "wedding" did not ever exist in Greek.

If you are stuck on "marriage" over "wedding" then you are swallowing a camel and straining at a gnat.

Oh dear run for the hills, Jesus mispoke again because "camel" actually was pronounced " large beast with hump"

Christ did not misspoke…

I am “stuck” on more than the two words. Ceremonies are another issue. Marriage ceremonies go back all the way past recorded history, but they were Pagan. The Hebrew-Jews did not have ceremonies in the Old Testament. The union formed the marriage for the Jews, the whole bridal chamber thing.

The scriptures do not indicate that the early Jewish-Christians had ceremonies. The story of the marriage at Cana picks up at the reception. We do not know if there was a ceremony or they were still using the bridal chamber to consummate the marriage.

The Gentiles definitely had marriage ceremonies but the scriptures do not mention it and nowhere in the scriptures do they indicate that a marriage ceremony was mandatory to be married. But I suspect that some of the Gentile-Christians were having ceremonies. Still the first documented Christian marriage ceremony occurred sometime in the 10th century. But it was a family celebration, no clergy.

Still marriage ceremonies were not required until the Protestant made marriage ceremonies in a church a requirement to be married in the 16th century and of course then a preacher was required to conduct the ceremony. At that time the Catholics were still not requiring marriage ceremonies to be married. But shortly after the Protestants made it a requirement the Catholics followed suit. Before that Catholics did not allow marriage ceremonies in their churches.

Then sometime after the 10th century they started calling them weddings. The standard vows for marriages were written in 1549 AD. The problem with using the word wedding is that people now understand a lot about weddings that were not occurring early on…it was different.

 

[Grailhunter]

This is like the "superior" argument " the word "rapture" is nowhere in the Bible.
Neither is "tortillas" but they ate them regularly.

Pure rabbit trails into outer space.

You sound like a silly dog chasing it tail.

 

[quietthinker]

Why do the wise virgins not share their oil with the foolish virgins?​

The sharing of the Good News is like a hungry man asking for food yet when it is given it is cast to the ground as worthless.
In like manner, the virgins lacking oil assume that by getting it from their fellows at this late hour will satisfy their desperate need.....only to ultimately not recognise it, even discard the very thing needed.

 

[Fred J]

In fact , that absence is there purposefully in every rapture verse.
Every rapture verse is pretrib setting.

For there's the Tribulation and the Great Tribulation.

Your pretib setting is actually the pre Great Tribulation setting, when the rapture will take place.

 

[Fred J]

Re read it.
The lamps of 5 virgins went out the same night.

The 10 virgins are woken up because the bridegroom is coming, and they are to go out to meet Him.

Unfortunately, oil have run out and the lamp's flame have gone out for the 5 foolish virgins.

 

[Fred J]

For there's the Tribulation and the Great Tribulation.

Your pretib setting is actually the pre Great Tribulation setting, when the rapture will take place.

The church will go through the Tribulation for three and a half years. This is during the reign of anti-Christ and the false prophet against the true church of Christ.

Matthew 24:
9. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nation for my name's sake.
10. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11. And many false prophets shall rise. and shall deceive many.
12. And because iniquity shall abound, and love of many shall wax cold.
13. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14. And this Gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nation; and then shall the end come.


15. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken by Daniel the Prophet, stand in the Holy place,

This is when the anti-Christ sets his throne in the future third Temple in Jerusalem. And probably also erect his image there for the whole world to worship.

Three and a half years have passed, and rapture has not taken place. For the Lord has been delayed and the waiting virgins, 'slumbered' and 'slept'.

1 Thessalonians 5:
2. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

Matthew 24:
42. Watch therefore: for ye know not know what hour your Lord doth come.

Matthew 25:
13. Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

 

[IronMaiden]

That precious oil in the lamps of the wise virgins is symbolic of knowledge—the truth of God’s Word. It is given by the Holy Spirit to those who search for it with all their heart. They will never be deceived by anything that’s false. Woe, the latter days are here. Do you have the oil needed to withstand the fiery darts of Satan? Will you be deceived? Are you wise or are you foolish?

Proverbs 1:7 NKJV
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, But fools despise wisdom and instruction.

 

[mailmandan]

The wording of the five foolish virgins in our text is all too familiar to the reader of Matthew’s Gospel: Matthew 25:11 - "Later, the other virgins came too, saying, ‘Lord, lord! Let us in!’ 12 But he replied, ‘I tell you the truth, I do not know you!"

Matthew 7:21 - "Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of heaven" but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven - (See John 6:40). 22 On that day, many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in your name, and in your name cast out demons and do many powerful works?’ 23 Then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you. Go away from me, you lawbreakers!’ (Matthew 7:21-23)

Taking Matthew’s words literally, I read that the difference between the foolish virgins and the wise virgins: The wise virgins had oil for their lamps, while the foolish virgins did not. The wise virgins had the opportunity to obtain oil, and did so. The foolish virgins had plenty of opportunity to procure oil, but did not. It's possible to be in close contact with Christ, and with Christians, and yet not be saved. I am reminded of a similar passage in the Gospel of Luke:

Luke 13:23 Someone asked him, "Lord, will only a few be saved?" So he said to them, 24 "Exert every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. 25 Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, then you will stand outside and start to knock on the door and beg him, ‘Lord, let us in!’ But he will answer you, ‘I don’t know where you come from.’ 26 Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in your presence, and you taught in our streets.’ 27 But he will reply, ‘I don’t know where you come from! Go away from me, all you evildoers!’ 28 There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets in the kingdom of God but you yourselves thrown out. 29 Then people will come from east and west, and from north and south, and take their places at the banquet table in the kingdom of God. 30 But indeed, some are last who will be first, and some are first who will be last."

Jesus may indeed be warning us in this parable that there will be a number of people who look like Christians, who associate with Christians, and who even think they are Christians, who will be shocked to learn that they are not saved at the return of our Lord and Christ never knew them. What a sobering thought!

 

[rebuilder 454]

Christ did not misspoke…

I am “stuck” on more than the two words. Ceremonies are another issue. Marriage ceremonies go back all the way past recorded history, but they were Pagan. The Hebrew-Jews did not have ceremonies in the Old Testament. The union formed the marriage for the Jews, the whole bridal chamber thing.

The scriptures do not indicate that the early Jewish-Christians had ceremonies. The story of the marriage at Cana picks up at the reception. We do not know if there was a ceremony or they were still using the bridal chamber to consummate the marriage.

The Gentiles definitely had marriage ceremonies but the scriptures do not mention it and nowhere in the scriptures do they indicate that a marriage ceremony was mandatory to be married. But I suspect that some of the Gentile-Christians were having ceremonies. Still the first documented Christian marriage ceremony occurred sometime in the 10th century. But it was a family celebration, no clergy.

Still marriage ceremonies were not required until the Protestant made marriage ceremonies in a church a requirement to be married in the 16th century and of course then a preacher was required to conduct the ceremony. At that time the Catholics were still not requiring marriage ceremonies to be married. But shortly after the Protestants made it a requirement the Catholics followed suit. Before that Catholics did not allow marriage ceremonies in their churches.

Then sometime after the 10th century they started calling them weddings. The standard vows for marriages were written in 1549 AD. The problem with using the word wedding is that people now understand a lot about weddings that were not occurring early on…it was different.

What is your end game???
What are you trying to prove????

 

[rebuilder 454]

The wording of the five foolish virgins in our text is all too familiar to the reader of Matthew’s Gospel: Matthew 25:11 - "Later, the other virgins came too, saying, ‘Lord, lord! Let us in!’ 12 But he replied, ‘I tell you the truth, I do not know you!"

Matthew 7:21 - "Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of heaven" but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven - (See John 6:40). 22 On that day, many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in your name, and in your name cast out demons and do many powerful works?’ 23 Then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you. Go away from me, you lawbreakers!’ (Matthew 7:21-23)

Taking Matthew’s words literally, I read that the difference between the foolish virgins and the wise virgins: The wise virgins had oil for their lamps, while the foolish virgins did not. The wise virgins had the opportunity to obtain oil, and did so. The foolish virgins had plenty of opportunity to procure oil, but did not. It's possible to be in close contact with Christ, and with Christians, and yet not be saved. I am reminded of a similar passage in the Gospel of Luke:

Luke 13:23 Someone asked him, "Lord, will only a few be saved?" So he said to them, 24 "Exert every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. 25 Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, then you will stand outside and start to knock on the door and beg him, ‘Lord, let us in!’ But he will answer you, ‘I don’t know where you come from.’ 26 Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in your presence, and you taught in our streets.’ 27 But he will reply, ‘I don’t know where you come from! Go away from me, all you evildoers!’ 28 There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets in the kingdom of God but you yourselves thrown out. 29 Then people will come from east and west, and from north and south, and take their places at the banquet table in the kingdom of God. 30 But indeed, some are last who will be first, and some are first who will be last."

Jesus may indeed be warning us in this parable that there will be a number of people who look like Christians, who associate with Christians, and who even think they are Christians, who will be shocked to learn that they are not saved at the return of our Lord and Christ never knew them. What a sobering thought!

Nope

The foolish HAD OIL.
It ran out.
They were/ are believers.
Paul and Jesus declared that there are two types of believers. Spiritual vs carnal.

The bride is not necessarily the church.
Neither is the church necessarily the bride.

At the bema seat,those WORTHY ONES receive crowns.
The unworthy ones are still saved.

The virgin parable is not a "saved/unsaved" dynamic.
It is a worthy vs unworthy dynamic.

I am wondering this morning if the massive misinterpret of the virgin parable traces back to osas????
Not that the parable has anything even remotely connected to OSAS, I think some people do not understand Rewards that Believers receive, also, automatically points to those that are unworthy.
Almost every promise of God has an "if", or a condition to it.
Most of those promises have zero to do with salvation as far as Believers receiving the promises of God.
It is up to us and our diligence to see to it that we are walking as an overcomer.
In Galatians it says walk in the spirit and you'll not fulfill the lust the flesh.
That automatically implies I got two ways to walk either in the spirit or carnally.
I see Believers all the time that are not walking in the spirit

they don't know what the baptism of the holy spirit is, and they've never received it, or have any intention of receiving it.
it's not on their list of anything that they're going to do
Their salvation, for the most part, is mental.

I think this is the cross section of believers that cannot possibly understand the 10 virgin parable.
Spiritual vs carnal
Worthy vs unworthy.

Without that understanding, it is ALWAYS going go to the impossibility of tge foolish being unbelievers.
And those "unbelievers" mysteriously having:
1) oil (the Holy Ghost)
2) lamps ( containers for the oil)
3) light ( what only believers have in Jesus presence and his word)
4) fellowship of believers.
5) obedience to the command to separate themselves and watch for Jesus coming.
6) sleeping with believers.
7) asking for an impartation of the Holy Spirit.
8) the foolish are VIRGINS. ( PURE, UNDEFILED, SET APART ONES)

And more.
I remember my heathen days of the past as a sinner.
I NEVER SAW ANY SUCH UNBELIEVER.

It is impossible that the foolish virgins are unbelievers.

 

[rebuilder 454]

For there's the Tribulation and the Great Tribulation.

Your pretib setting is actually the pre Great Tribulation setting, when the rapture will take place.

In your pigeon holeing, you are actually saying that 1/3 of men and the planet destroyed is not great trib.( during what you are calling the insignificant trib)
Read what the seven horsemen do at the start of the 7 yr great trib.

Nope the entire 7 yr period is the great tribulation.
That is what Jesus called it.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Why do the wise virgins not share their oil with the foolish virgins?​

The sharing of the Good News is like a hungry man asking for food yet when it is given it is cast to the ground as worthless.
In like manner, the virgins lacking oil assume that by getting it from their fellows at this late hour will satisfy their desperate need.....only to ultimately not recognise it, even discard the very thing needed.

Nope.
Again, the foolish were virgins
They were saved.
The Holy Spirit is a second work.( the oil)
Impossible to read acts and NOT SEE BELIEVERS , receiving the Holy Spirit via laying on of hands as a second work.
Then refilling.

 

[rebuilder 454]

The foolish had:
1) oil (the Holy Ghost)
2) lamps ( containers for the oil)
3) light ( what only believers have in Jesus presence and his word)
4) fellowship of believers.
5) obedience to the command to separate themselves and watch for Jesus coming.
6) sleeping with believers.
7) asking for an impartation of the Holy Spirit.
8) the foolish are VIRGINS. ( PURE, UNDEFILED, SET APART ONES)

Absolute fact.
Convince me this is undeniably proof for the bizarre assumption that this is always evidence of the unsaved.

 

[Grailhunter]

What is your end game???
What are you trying to prove????

 

[mailmandan]

Nope

The foolish HAD OIL.
It ran out.
They were/ are believers.
Paul and Jesus declared that there are two types of believers. Spiritual vs carnal.

The bride is not necessarily the church.
Neither is the church necessarily the bride.

At the bema seat,those WORTHY ONES receive crowns.
The unworthy ones are still saved.

The virgin parable is not a "saved/unsaved" dynamic.
It is a worthy vs unworthy dynamic.

I am wondering this morning if the massive misinterpret of the virgin parable traces back to osas????
Not that the parable has anything even remotely connected to OSAS, I think some people do not understand Rewards that Believers receive, also, automatically points to those that are unworthy.
Almost every promise of God has an "if", or a condition to it.
Most of those promises have zero to do with salvation as far as Believers receiving the promises of God.
It is up to us and our diligence to see to it that we are walking as an overcomer.
In Galatians it says walk in the spirit and you'll not fulfill the lust the flesh.
That automatically implies I got two ways to walk either in the spirit or carnally.
I see Believers all the time that are not walking in the spirit

they don't know what the baptism of the holy spirit is, and they've never received it, or have any intention of receiving it.
it's not on their list of anything that they're going to do
Their salvation, for the most part, is mental.

I think this is the cross section of believers that cannot possibly understand the 10 virgin parable.
Spiritual vs carnal
Worthy vs unworthy.

Without that understanding, it is ALWAYS going go to the impossibility of tge foolish being unbelievers.
And those "unbelievers" mysteriously having:
1) oil (the Holy Ghost)
2) lamps ( containers for the oil)
3) light ( what only believers have in Jesus presence and his word)
4) fellowship of believers.
5) obedience to the command to separate themselves and watch for Jesus coming.
6) sleeping with believers.
7) asking for an impartation of the Holy Spirit.
8) the foolish are VIRGINS. ( PURE, UNDEFILED, SET APART ONES)

And more.
I remember my heathen days of the past as a sinner.
I NEVER SAW ANY SUCH UNBELIEVER.

It is impossible that the foolish virgins are unbelievers.

Nope.

 

[Grailhunter]

What is your end game???
What are you trying to prove????

End game and proof?
Accuracy and truth matters.
If it does not….more make believe religious beliefs will develop. There are a large number of make believe religious beliefs already.

How many people do not know that for most of history marriages were a family affair….no clergy….and the union formed the marriage? We can see this today, if a couple does not have sex after a wedding ceremony they can have the marriage annulled. The union still forms the marriage.
How many Protestants do not know that it was the Protestants that actually made a church wedding ceremony a requirement to be married? How many Christians do not know that getting married by a Justice of the Peace….is not right. On the other hand monogamous couples that have not had a ceremony are not sinning because the scriptures do not require a ceremony, just faithful monogamy. How many people have been condemned because people are not knowledgeable of the scriptures and the history of marriages and Weddings.

As far as religious beliefs…..it does not matter if you or I, like them or not….what matters is the truth.
I believe the Protestants had the authority to make church weddings a requirement to be married for those attending their churches. I believe it was the right choice. The Catholics would not even allow marriage ceremonies in their churches. And people should know that it was the Gentiles that brought the custom of ceremonies into Christianity. The bride’s dress and train. The vows and rings and cake and cutting of the cake by the groom and bride, the rice and bells and cans behind the car, even some decoration are all Gentile-Pagan customs.. The requirement for a preacher to preside over the wedding in a church was all Protestant.

And I think it is all great!!! I love weddings and receptions and I do not think I have ever turned down an invitation to a wedding. I come from a small town and the young people in the churches I attend know I will contribute to their weddings…. Back in the day I had discounts for 1st class tickets on flights and I would provide the tickets for their Honeymoon.

 

[GodsGrace]

The 2 words are exactly interchangeable.
It's like saying " I am right because the English word "wedding" did not ever exist in Greek.

If you are stuck on "marriage" over "wedding" then you are swallowing a camel and straining at a gnat.

Oh dear run for the hills, Jesus mispoke again because "camel" actually was pronounced " large beast with hump"

Just running through....the above is interesting and I'd also like the opinion/knowledge of @Grailhunter .

There's a difference between WEDDING and MARRIAGE.

Marriage, as we understand it, is the act of getting married in a church setting with God as the Witness.
It is a Covenant being created between God and man.
In the OT there were MARRIAGES....

Wedding, as we understand it, is the celebration that comes AFTER two persons are married.
It has nothing to do with religion, oaths, covenants, etc. It's just a party.

Mary and Joseph celebrated their MARRIAGE.
Matthew 22 says THE MARRIAGE BANQUET

Some bibles use NUPTIAL.....

 

[GodsGrace]

Nope

The foolish HAD OIL.
It ran out.
They were/ are believers.
Paul and Jesus declared that there are two types of believers. Spiritual vs carnal.

The bride is not necessarily the church.
Neither is the church necessarily the bride.

At the bema seat,those WORTHY ONES receive crowns.
The unworthy ones are still saved.

The virgin parable is not a "saved/unsaved" dynamic.
It is a worthy vs unworthy dynamic.

I am wondering this morning if the massive misinterpret of the virgin parable traces back to osas????
Not that the parable has anything even remotely connected to OSAS, I think some people do not understand Rewards that Believers receive, also, automatically points to those that are unworthy.
Almost every promise of God has an "if", or a condition to it.
Most of those promises have zero to do with salvation as far as Believers receiving the promises of God.
It is up to us and our diligence to see to it that we are walking as an overcomer.
In Galatians it says walk in the spirit and you'll not fulfill the lust the flesh.
That automatically implies I got two ways to walk either in the spirit or carnally.
I see Believers all the time that are not walking in the spirit

they don't know what the baptism of the holy spirit is, and they've never received it, or have any intention of receiving it.
it's not on their list of anything that they're going to do
Their salvation, for the most part, is mental.

I think this is the cross section of believers that cannot possibly understand the 10 virgin parable.
Spiritual vs carnal
Worthy vs unworthy.

Without that understanding, it is ALWAYS going go to the impossibility of tge foolish being unbelievers.
And those "unbelievers" mysteriously having:
1) oil (the Holy Ghost)
2) lamps ( containers for the oil)
3) light ( what only believers have in Jesus presence and his word)
4) fellowship of believers.
5) obedience to the command to separate themselves and watch for Jesus coming.
6) sleeping with believers.
7) asking for an impartation of the Holy Spirit.
8) the foolish are VIRGINS. ( PURE, UNDEFILED, SET APART ONES)

And more.
I remember my heathen days of the past as a sinner.
I NEVER SAW ANY SUCH UNBELIEVER.

It is impossible that the foolish virgins are unbelievers.

Isn't the situation the fact that the virgins were UNPREPARED?
What does it mean to be prepared for God?
Sometimes when a person is dying, he might be asked ARE YOU PREPARED TO MEET GOD.
(and on other occasions also).