Why do the wise virgins not share their oil with the foolish virgins?
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We're referring to 10 'virgins' here, meaning 'born again believers' (and especially people like Simon Magnus are not). These are the 'bride of Christ', who 'defile not themselves to the pattern of this world', still 'virgins'.
Next, '10 of them had burning lamps' (light that brightens up the house, one's feet and one's path). But unfortunately only, '5 of them did not prepare extra oil', that is, 'to keep their light burning'. The reason, 'just incase the Lord of the house will be a little late tp open the door for them'.
It's easy to speculate things, thus can turn out to be false. and twisted from the written truth. Rather by the contextual doctrine and wisdom of the New Testament, study the moral of the parable carefully.
Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ
Holy Ghost, 'transferable', or 'impartible' and 'receivable'?
In the Gospel, Jesus Himself did not 'transfer' the Holy Ghost, but rather 'impart' the power to 'heal' and 'revive' responders in faith, into the disciples. Likewise the lame man in the Temple who's not born again, did not nor could not, receive the Holy Ghost. But rather he received the power to be healed, restored and made whole.
Next, the impartation of the Holy Ghost only on every born again of water, as their 'Helper' and 'Comforter', equally they receive in the same measure. But based on the impartation of 'talents' or 'gifts', they vary from one another, even the order of 'servanthood'.
Like a potter out of the same clay, makes two same shaped and equally looking jars. But their finishing vary from one another, because, one is for 'honorable use', while the other is for 'ordinary use'.
Shalom because of Lord Jesus Christ
Shalom unto you,
The light/oil is not for the torch bearer but for others to light their way unto salvation.
But the Bridegroom is only interested in those helping others finding their way and are busy still helping others.
"It is good for those the Master of the House finds still dilligently working and not knowing the hour of his return"
We, the nation of priests, are to light the way for others to know God.
We are to find the marginalized and care for them, offer support and encouragement to the others.
rebuilder 454
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None of what you said has anything to do with the verses in Acts where the Holy Spirit is transferred/imparted via the laying on of hands.
If those verses challenge you and you can not receive them, then what I did was place you against the bible.
rebuilder 454
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Listen, we're not ignorant, it's what have been testified falsely in the beginning.
The initial testimony gave us the impression that, the Holy Ghost from the person laying the hands 'transferred' to the person the hands was on.
Even about the lame man Peter healed, was testified that the Holy Ghost was 'transferred' from Peter to the lame man.
Please do a reality check before you respond.
It is the Holy Ghost who descended into the person, whom the saint laid hands on, not He was 'transferred'.
It is the power of the Holy Ghost that proceeded forth to heal the lame man, as Peter commanded. And not the Holy Ghost from Peter was 'transferred' into the lame man.
Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ
The initial testimony gave us the impression that, the Holy Ghost from the person laying the hands 'transferred' to the person the hands was on.
Even about the lame man Peter healed, was testified that the Holy Ghost was 'transferred' from Peter to the lame man.
Please do a reality check before you respond.
It is the Holy Ghost who descended into the person, whom the saint laid hands on, not He was 'transferred'.
It is the power of the Holy Ghost that proceeded forth to heal the lame man, as Peter commanded. And not the Holy Ghost from Peter was 'transferred' into the lame man.
Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ
The Holy Bible doesn't support that the Holy Ghost in a saint is 'transferable' to another person.
'Healing', and not give or 'transfer' the Holy Ghost nor His power to the lame man.
But on the contrary according to you, are 'transferable', which is false.
They 'received' from Heaven, and not 'transferred' from one person to another.
We've accounts that there's a 'ladder' between Heaven and earth, where angels travel back and forth.
Stick to 'virgins', and they've not defile themselves like unbelievers, they were before. Since they were born again of water and of the Holy Ghost, became they a new creature/creation.
By Heavenly terms, they are the 'virgin bride' given in marriage to the Lord, as one body of Christ. Where Christ the Head and the church is the body and members. Shadowing by our earthly terms, when a man marries a woman, they become one body. The man is the head while the woman is the body and members, union in 'togetherness' and 'oneness'.
Now, the 5 disciple virgins bride of Christ were prepared for the circumstances foretold beforehand. At the same time, which the other 5 virgins abide not, ignorant and were left behind.
Basically is foretold that the rapture will take place exactly after the three and half years of Tribulation.
Is it true?
By Heavenly terms, they are the 'virgin bride' given in marriage to the Lord, as one body of Christ. Where Christ the Head and the church is the body and members. Shadowing by our earthly terms, when a man marries a woman, they become one body. The man is the head while the woman is the body and members, union in 'togetherness' and 'oneness'.
Now, the 5 disciple virgins bride of Christ were prepared for the circumstances foretold beforehand. At the same time, which the other 5 virgins abide not, ignorant and were left behind.
Basically is foretold that the rapture will take place exactly after the three and half years of Tribulation.
Is it true?
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rebuilder 454
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Read the instances in Acts where the HOLY SPIRIT is received via laying on of Hands.
I will post them for you later since you do not research.
rebuilder 454
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rebuilder 454
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King James Bible
Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; BUT SUCH AS I HAVE GIVE I THEE: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.
Hello????
"I have"
" give i thee"
Hello????
rebuilder 454
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Acts 8
15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
Huh????
Surely The Holy Ghost did not seek your wisdom on the matter
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Acts 8
15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
Huh????
Surely The Holy Ghost did not seek your wisdom on the matter
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Hello likewise!
BUT SUCH AS I HAVE GIVE I THEE, not the Holy Ghost, but, HEALING!!!
And the Holy Ghost remain in Peter, as Peter commanded, the power of the Holy Ghost performed the miracle.
And the laying of the hand, nowhere in the scripture states, the Holy Ghost was 'transferred' from one person to another.
Even when Jesus was baptized, the Holy Ghost did not 'transfer' from John the Baptist to Jesus. But rather John himself witnessed, the invisible Holy Ghost 'descended' on Jesus in form of a dove.
So how the born again receive the Holy Ghost when church elders lay their hands on them??
The Holy Ghost 'descend' on that person, and not 'transfer' from the elders to that person.
Even in the beginning of the book of Acts, when the disciples were together on the day of Pentecost.
Acts 2:
2. And suddenly there came a sound from Heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4. And they were filled with the Holy Ghost, ....................................................................
'Appeared unto them' and, 'it sat upon each of them' and, 'they were filled with the Holy Ghost'.
If you still disagree and insist your version is correct, i'll just back off, no thank you.
Likewise, surely the Holy Ghost did not seek your wisdom, to testify us, He 'transfers' from one person to another.
That's a 'twisted' gospel version and i don't want any part of it.
rebuilder 454
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Yeah that guy that got healing imparted from the disciples in Acts would have benefited from your "other Gospel" that denies what is plainly written huh?
Your other Gospel is a enemic powerless Gospel.
Jesus said "YOU WILL RECIEVE POWER AFTER THE HOLY GHOST HAS COME ON YOU".
IN ACTS IT SAYS "MANY MIRACLES WERE DONE AT THE HANDS OF PAUL"
IN ACTS IT SAYS " MANY MIRACLES WERE DONE AT THE HANDS OF STEPHEN "
JESUS SAID "GREATER WORKS THAN THESE SHALL YOU DO"
"...AT THE HANDS OF PAUL"
"....AT THE HANDS OF STEPHEN "
"...shall YOU DO..."
"...SUCH AS I HAVE GIVE I THEE"
2 Timothy 1
6 Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God, which is IN THEE BY THE PUTTING ON OF MY HANDS"
AHEM...your deal is far, far from the written word.
In fact your deal is a powerless Gospel that not only denies the word of God, but twists the very purposes of God.
You will never unpack matthew 25 by twisting it to deny what is in plain sight.
Your doctrine is like the pharasees. You deny what is right under your nose and make the bible into wasted sentences that you find it your job to deny and twist. Or proclaim with arrogant authority that impartation is a lie.
Please get a bible and ask questions instead of persisting in "condemnation BEFORE investigation."
Very dangerous to proclaim God lied about impartation.
rebuilder 454
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Yes healing and ANYTHING CAN COME FROM GOD.
JESUS BOTH IMPARTED AND HEALED SOME THAT WERE NOT EVEN THERE.
You're brand new Bible that has stuff in it that you made up is saying that nobody in the book of Acts receive the Holy Spirit through the laying on of hands. That's what your brand new made up Bible says in your mind,and I guess it's that exists in your mind and it has to be true..
Kinda like pretending the apostles healed the lame man, by first separating themselves from the Holy Spirit, and making sure they had " Healing inside them" so ,God Forbid, they disobey your workbook and a slice of Holy Spirit get into him as well.
Maybe you can pencil in your "bible" , " the disciples told the lame man," hey we got to take a little time out here and get any Holy Spirit out of us, because we just read the latest Fred newsletter that says God forbids any impartation of the Holy Spirit, from us into you, so we got to make sure that we just have healing inside of us, and get rid of any holy spirit cuz we can't have that going into you", then under your workbook they could proceed with authority.
How utterly ridiculous and silly.
The Bible CLEARLY DECLARES THE HOLY SPIRIT IS IMPARTED THROUGH THE LAYING ON OF HANDS.
...and yes without any laying on of hands also.
Roll eyes....as if you voided out the bible.
rebuilder 454
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If you add to the parable that while the groom tarried, the 4 horsemen arrived as well as the angels with the seven seals and 1 /3 of earth and men were destroyed and the virgins were running from cave to cave with the devil chasing them.
Uh, no.
The setting is OPPOSITE THAT.
You just imagined that and added all that mass tribulation to the parable.
rebuilder 454
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Such a vivid depiction of the oil representing the Holy Spirit...but your workbook is offended by what is declared BY JESUS.
Webers_Home
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It's commonly supposed that the five unwise girls were at fault for not
bringing along enough oil for their light sources. That may be true, but I
rather suspect that their mistake was scarcely related to the oil and mostly
related to abandoning their posts.
Had they stuck to their guns (so to speak) they could've joined the
procession along with everyone else. They may have endured a measure of
chagrin for letting their lamps go out, but at least they wouldn't miss the
party.
In other words; they let something relatively minor distract their attention
from something far more important; sort of like Nero concerning himself
with trifles while Rome is on fire all 'round the city.
● Matt 25:10-12 . . While they were on their way to buy the oil, the
bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the
wedding banquet. And the door was shut. Later the others also came. Sir!
Sir! --they said-- Open the door for us! But he replied: I tell you the truth, I
don't know you.
The thing is: while the entrance was open, the general public was welcome
to come on in and join the celebration, but once the door was shut and
festivities commenced, late arrivals were permitted inside only if they were
the bridegroom's friends; which emphasizes that the invitation, though
generous, offered a limited window of opportunity which if missed, was lost
forever.
NOTE: It's sometimes suggested that the oil in the parable of the Ten Virgins
relates to the Holy Spirit, but had the five girls returned with the Holy Spirit,
the groom would've readily allowed them entrance because the Spirit is
depicted in the Bible as a credential validating one's inclusion in Christ's
family circle. (Rom 8:9, 2Cor 1:21-22, Eph 1:13-14, Eph 4:30)
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It's commonly supposed that the five unwise girls were at fault for not
bringing along enough oil for their light sources. That may be true, but I
rather suspect that their mistake was scarcely related to the oil and mostly
related to abandoning their posts.
Had they stuck to their guns (so to speak) they could've joined the
procession along with everyone else. They may have endured a measure of
chagrin for letting their lamps go out, but at least they wouldn't miss the
party.
In other words; they let something relatively minor distract their attention
from something far more important; sort of like Nero concerning himself
with trifles while Rome is on fire all 'round the city.
● Matt 25:10-12 . . While they were on their way to buy the oil, the
bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the
wedding banquet. And the door was shut. Later the others also came. Sir!
Sir! --they said-- Open the door for us! But he replied: I tell you the truth, I
don't know you.
The thing is: while the entrance was open, the general public was welcome
to come on in and join the celebration, but once the door was shut and
festivities commenced, late arrivals were permitted inside only if they were
the bridegroom's friends; which emphasizes that the invitation, though
generous, offered a limited window of opportunity which if missed, was lost
forever.
NOTE: It's sometimes suggested that the oil in the parable of the Ten Virgins
relates to the Holy Spirit, but had the five girls returned with the Holy Spirit,
the groom would've readily allowed them entrance because the Spirit is
depicted in the Bible as a credential validating one's inclusion in Christ's
family circle. (Rom 8:9, 2Cor 1:21-22, Eph 1:13-14, Eph 4:30)
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